Your pick for the next WoW class; 2021 edition

[Teriz]

Again, you are being the arbiter of what a valid class class for inclusion is, the arbiter for what a valid class write up is, the arbiter for what a clear and conside question is, have demonstrably clear bias (not only do you have entrants in your sig file, but you are literally known as 'The Tinker guy' on these forums) and when presented with faults in your method, instead of even pretending to address any of them you are resorting to your typical method of hand waiving things away you don't like or invalidate your point.

Feel free to ignore my criticisms of your methodology if you want. That's absolutely your prerogative. I fully intend to ignore the results of this 'poll' and will encourage others to do the same.

If you look at the class concepts you posted versus the concepts in the OP it’s rather obvious why they were included and the threads you posted were not.

Now admittedly, that second Blademaster concept was quite good. However, if you really believe the Blademaster concept wouldn’t be sitting on the bottom next to Night Warrior and Old Dragonsworn, you’re fooling yourself.

[Dystemper]

There won't be a new class. They won't devote that kind of time or resources into a rapidly dying game. With all the turmoil in that company quality will suffer even more

[jellmoo]

If you look at the class concepts you posted versus the concepts in the OP it’s rather obvious why they were included and the threads you posted were not.

Now admittedly, that second Blademaster concept was quite good. However, if you really believe the Blademaster concept wouldn’t be sitting on the bottom next to Night Warrior and Old Dragonsworn, you’re fooling yourself.

And yet you included the Night Warrior which doesn't seem to have an attached concept, and the 'Old Dragonsworn' which also doesn't have an attached concept, only a wiki entry.

So to clarify, in order for a class to be included, it has to meet the standards you set out for a what should be a class, in needs to have a character concept written up that meets your standards, unless you decide to include the class anyway, because why not.

Oh and when it comes to meeting this mysterious standard, almost 30% of included write ups were made by you. And another write up that you think is good isn't included because you don't think it will do well in the poll.

Does that about sum it up?

[Al Gorefiend]

The problem I have with some of these other non-Tinker classes is that they could someday feel fresh, but right now they just don't cover any niches or cover an unexplored theme or source of power. Reiterated:

Dragonsworn: Another D-word hero class given powerful magic by ancient sources, of which the aspects we met govern branches of magic other classes have access to. Life, Arcane, Nature/Dream, Time & Earth, of which Mages, Druids and Shaman tap their powers from. Life magic, or whatever Alexstrasza uses, remains as something I'd like to see more of but we haven't since Cata.

Necromancer: Aside from the crossover with DKs the archetype they traditionally fill in RPG games (and sure enough what people draw reference to) is filled by the Warlock. Yes I know they are different from Warlocks, obviously. Warlocks and Necromancers existing within the same setting like in D&D have enough similarities between the two that they're often utilizing the same spells and memorabilia. Not an excuse for why we should NEVER have Necromancers, I just think on the freshness meter they score too low here.

Dark Ranger: Make a pitch to justify how they aren't another Hunter or won't be elf-centric. The Dark Rangers reminds me more of Sylvanas' Interpol agents than an entire identity of a class.

Bard: My second choice behind Tinker, though WoW needs some additional lore or race of people that weaponize music as an introduction.

Night Warrior: Actual what? Introduced recently to lore, extremely vague with what exactly Elune is empowering her with, fights like a DH/fury warrior from what we've seen, is entirely entrenched within a single race that already has a hero class, and a single person is a Night Warrior right now. hard pass.

Why it should be Tinker

- Completely unique arsenal.
- Existed before WoW, established in lore
- Gnomes + Goblins rarely have NPCs that reflect player classes. Both leaders are Tinkers.
- Engineering has been straying further away from combat enhancing bonuses, both can exist with a redesign of engineering that doesn't have craftable grenades and combat throwables.
- Could be a ranged class with a more Rambo approach to combat, emphasizing guns, explosives, mines. Could be a Tony Stark-esque class using advanced technology with power armor mech suits. Could be silly slapstick nonsense and Wile E. Coyote shenanigans with sticks of dynamite and steampunk machines - testament to the fact its so flexible with its design still and steps on no other class territory.

It was a constant battle between Demon Hunter fans and Tinker fans before Legion, Tinker's last obstacle is in the game now. Time for Tinker or bust.

[catalystical]

I don't see a new class but maybe additional specs like

1) Dark ranger with dark/domination as a fourth hunter spec. Stuff like withering arrows, wailing arrows. But also could be collapsed into more marksman skills instead.

2) Domination Magic/Necro as a fourth mage spec. Flavourwise makes more sense because the domination magic doesn't quite collapse into the fire/ice/arcane specs.

3) Night warrior as a fourth warriors spec. Warriors with a little bit of arcane magic. Paladins with arcane instead of holy.

[Teriz]

And yet you included the Night Warrior which doesn't seem to have an attached concept, and the 'Old Dragonsworn' which also doesn't have an attached concept, only a wiki entry.

I included Night Warrior because it generated a large amount of hype during BFA and early SL, with posters repeatedly showing interest and posting about it.

So to clarify, in order for a class to be included, it has to meet the standards you set out for a what should be a class, in needs to have a character concept written up that meets your standards, unless you decide to include the class anyway, because why not.

Do you feel that my standards are unfair or too high? Night Warrior got a slight pass on the concept side of things because it’s a fairly new concept. Blademasters have been around since WC3, and from my vantage point, I don’t see much demand for such a class. At least not on the level that I saw for Night Warriors.

Oh and when it comes to meeting this mysterious standard, almost 30% of included write ups were made by you. And another write up that you think is good isn't included because you don't think it will do well in the poll.

Yeah, @Ielenia and @Amunrasonther also made 30% of the write ups in the OP. What’s the problem? I wanted quality write ups in the OP, and despite our differing opinions, those posters did some quality write ups.

Does that about sum it up?

I certainly hope so.

[Exeris]

Tinker all the way. I wanna be a crazed scientist "healing" people with concoctions, jabbing my group members with syringes and laughing cruelly as I do so.

I hope they go all out and make them memorable, but I'm afraid they'll end up too vanilla compared to what I imagine.

[khazmodan]

There won't be a new class. They won't devote that kind of time or resources into a rapidly dying game. With all the turmoil in that company quality will suffer even more

Exactly right, A new class just means another class that will either steal or duplicate abilities from other classes and dilute the experience across the board. Also, the new class will add another multiplication of problems balancing and bug fixing to a game that has just lost a ton of experience out the back door and any new ones will take at least a year to understand the game on a nuanced level. Right now they need a fundamentally better experience in each class that is already in the game which means making the talents actually interesting and fun to explore instead of annoying most players every expansion because you get a notice to put your points in the talent tree again. I swear that I probably would use a mod to automatically put the talent points in for me because it is so freaking boring.

Next thing is; make the professions fun, or at least interesting and open to creativity, the professions have been designed for far too long as a way to time sink players and not a way to have more fun experiences.

Also; stop catering to the small group that play mythic dungeons or high level raid, mythic dungeons is a path to burning out players with endless running of the same dungeons for an entire expansion with ever more annoying mechanics and high level raiding is a tiny percentile that will not sustain the game financially. There are many other things to improve but they will not listen anyway so why bother going on.

[TEHPALLYTANK]

No Spellbreaker/battlemage in there? No poll option for me to vote for. :/

[Hotmail]

Tinkers are basically engineers and necromancers are basically DKs... the only theme that hasn't been done on that list would be a musical-themed class, so my vote goes for the Bard.

[jellmoo]

Yet another SNIP

Honestly, I've outlined the many flaws with this poll and don't see much point in repeating myself. If you want to ignore them and continue to hand waive things away that don't fit your rules or narrative, be my guest.

[Teriz]

Tinkers are basically engineers and necromancers are basically DKs... the only theme that hasn't been done on that list would be a musical-themed class, so my vote goes for the Bard.

There isn’t an engineer class either….

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I don't see a new class but maybe additional specs like

1) Dark ranger with dark/domination as a fourth hunter spec. Stuff like withering arrows, wailing arrows. But also could be collapsed into more marksman skills instead.

2) Domination Magic/Necro as a fourth mage spec. Flavourwise makes more sense because the domination magic doesn't quite collapse into the fire/ice/arcane specs.

3) Night warrior as a fourth warriors spec. Warriors with a little bit of arcane magic. Paladins with arcane instead of holy.

Could you provide some examples of domination magic?

[Pandragon]

I'd like some form of Dragonsworn. Dragon based classes can be cool. But whatever they choose, I hope it has a 1 sec gcd ranged spec, so I can have an alt to actually play. It's damn near impossible now to gear up a melee alt without a dedicated team.

[Culex]

You forgot the "who cares" option, they will screw it up regardless.

[IAMANIKOLAS]

I am quite familiar with the discussions around this sorta stuff, as i find it entertaining. I've read their points and know them, i just do not find them convincing in the slightest.

So for the sake of brevity i summarised my views on them in a clear and concise way.

Remember: caring a lot about something doesn't mean you're right in the slightest.

I'm not sure what you mean, when you say that you "don't find them convincing."

You claim that Dragonsworn is not a class, that Dark Rangers are just Emo hunters and that the theme of the Necromancer is covered by Deathknights and Warlocks. I point out, how that is not the case, since unique classes has been thought up by the community. Your original statement is factually incorrect, since OP links to various concepts with a unique dragonsworn class, a Dark Ranger that's not just an "emo hunter" and a Necromancer class that is far beyond what we have seen with Deathknights and Warlocks.

That you don't like what you have read about said classes, is another but completely valid subject opinion.

Tinkers are basically engineers and necromancers are basically DKs... the only theme that hasn't been done on that list would be a musical-themed class, so my vote goes for the Bard.

We have some themes that covers multiple classes with different roles. Paladins and Priests comes to mind. One representation being the ranged holy user, the other being the melee holy user. We still need a ranged Death user, Melee Void, Melee Arcane user etc.

Sure tinkers are basically engineers AS A CLASS. Engineering is a few gimmicks that you can use, not anywhere near what a full class would be. I haven't seen the profession being a viable DPS, Tank or Healer

[Teriz]

No Spellbreaker/battlemage in there? No poll option for me to vote for. :/

Aren't Enhancement Shaman or Death Knights a battlemage option?

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I'd like some form of Dragonsworn. Dragon based classes can be cool. But whatever they choose, I hope it has a 1 sec gcd ranged spec, so I can have an alt to actually play. It's damn near impossible now to gear up a melee alt without a dedicated team.

What would you think of a Dragonsworn class based on the Twilight Dragonflight?

[Coolascancer]

i'd rather them add more specs to current classes; shield dps or 2h tank for warriors, holy dps for priests, caster dps for pallies, etc. Most of these ideas fit way better as a current class spec than a whole new class- if they ever go dragon isles then we will have another covenant-like thing.

[VinceVega]

No new class. More specs. Including druid. And class skins.

All of these classes are either, kinda allready existing like hunters or engineers or to weird... like a bard. Just an opinion. Don't jump at my throat again because i don't like Tinkers. Also dragonsworn... if they are like followers of dragons ok. If they are supposed to be actuall dragons: Nop....

[Teriz]

i'd rather them add more specs to current classes; shield dps or 2h tank for warriors, holy dps for priests, caster dps for pallies, etc. Most of these ideas fit way better as a current class spec than a whole new class- if they ever go dragon isles then we will have another covenant-like thing.

You say that Dragonsworn would be a covenant system. Okay. What class would Tinker and Bard go to in your opinion?

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No new class. More specs. Including druid. And class skins.

All of these classes are either, kinda allready existing like hunters or engineers or to weird... like a bard. Just an opinion. Don't jump at my throat again because i don't like Tinkers. Also dragonsworn... if they are like followers of dragons ok. If they are supposed to be actuall dragons: Nop....

Engineer is not a class, it's a profession. Thus, it isn't attacking you or "jumping down your throat", it is only correcting an error on your part.

[VinceVega]

You say that Dragonsworn would be a covenant system. Okay. What class would Tinker and Bard go to in your opinion?

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Engineer is not a class, it's a profession. Thus, it isn't attacking you or "jumping down your throat", it is only correcting an error on your part.

Didn't say it was. Just think it covers everything we need in that direction^^