Blizzard needs to F**K right off with Cashshop Transmogs

[Myokony]

Careful, you're getting dangerously close to exposing the false equivalency between the two cash shops. :^)

Better buy an emote for that from cash shop to show how i feel.

[crusadernero]

If only people could start treating & debating this issue as something that excists in the gaming world, not just with Blizzard. everyone does it. Heck, in many MMORPGS you gotta BUY emotes(!), bag space(!) and so much other weird stuff that you once took for granted.

These companies probably do it because its much, much, much harder to get millions of people to play your game than it its to create cool stuff to buy on the shop. Why give two shits about making an awesome game when you can do less work and earn more?

I feel that years ago the "nerds" and the actual game devs were in the forefront of creating games - those with the ideas, passions, dreams and desire to create great worlds & games. They were driven of the desire to create great games. For gamers, by gamers. Now they have been taken over by the marketing team, those who figure out how to squeese as much buck from each player as they can while the game dwindles into nothing.

[Swnem]

The FF prices are higher. What are you even tslking about. They are like 2x the price as wows cashshop.

Plus you can literally get everything off the cashshop by turning wow gold into blizzard currency without spending a dime. I bought the last two 6month subs and didnt spend a dime.

Again ybe token you can literally buy without spending a dime.

Nothing in the FF14 shop can be bought with ingame gold whereas literally everything on the wow cashshop can.

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Tokens which you can buy off the store with ingame gold and not spend a dime? People forget that you can literally get everything in the wow store for free just with ingame gold and turning it into blizzard currency.

Anyone can go to each shop and compare the prices.
For example: race change:
7 euros in FF
25 euros on WoW

Pets:
5.99 euros or lower in FF
10 euros in WoW

Oh but wait guys we can just spend hour and hours farming gold in WoW to make up the difference. Yay copium!

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Because people freak out completely if Blizzard looks like it's going to put a bit of transmog in its store while FFXIV has tons more. I don't know if it's worse or not—I don't mind it and I don't tell people how to spend their own money—but it's pretty hypocritical that some in this thread go out of their way to praise one game and /spit on the other.

People have been "taking it out" on the cash shop ever since the Sparkle Pony so I don't really believe the current state of the game has anything to do with it. "BLIZZARD IS TERRIBLE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A STORE WITH STUFF IN IT!!!" and variations of that have been a regular thing here ever since.

Yes, i think it's just generalization. People mixing up one kind of opinion with another from different people and trying to resolve them as one.
Cash shops are bad. My opinion is that WoW's has worse practices, not that FF's shop is good.
Though as i said on the first post it comes down to the fact that FF players are simply more satisfied with their game than WoW ones. So, WoW's vocalize it more.

[Orby]

I would actually buy this transmog (if I was still playing WoW), if the items went to a charity for equal rights or anti sexual harassment, you know something that Blizzard (with alot of the Wow team) have been facing alot of recently, having to spend money on a transmog item where the money goes to them instead of anyone else feels kind of dirty and slimey

With that said I am sure the devs worked hard on it, it looks sweet just a shame it was used to fulfil a dirty purpose.

[Sin of Pride]

Because people freak out completely if Blizzard looks like it's going to put a bit of transmog in its store while FFXIV has tons more. I don't know if it's worse or not—I don't mind it and I don't tell people how to spend their own money—but it's pretty hypocritical that some in this thread go out of their way to praise one game and /spit on the other.

People have been "taking it out" on the cash shop ever since the Sparkle Pony so I don't really believe the current state of the game has anything to do with it. "BLIZZARD IS TERRIBLE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A STORE WITH STUFF IN IT!!!" and variations of that have been a regular thing here ever since.

I think you are somewhat right... I think no one wants a cash shop but whale players. A lot of the outrage is coming from them expanding the cashshop when the game is in such a sorry state.

[Claymore]

Blizzard is definitely in a tough spot. I think the cash-shop transmogs are a bad idea, not because of any "moral" or "ethical" reason, but simply because for a game already hemorrhaging players, they should be leveraging anything they can to keep players on-board.

Like, have a set of gear, and have a big in-game event. Maybe the Jailer actually does BEGIN dismantling reality. There's a set time each day that a "rift" will open somewhere in Azeroth, spawning some lowbies and eventually a world-boss. If you kill all of the bosses, you unlock a cool transmog. After two months, the event is over, so no one can get that armor anymore.

Wouldn't require a ton of work, but could get people excited enough to sub again. Keep doing short-term stuff like that every couple months, and you'd have a much more stable playerbase.

[FelPlague]

Better buy an emote for that from cash shop to show how i feel.

How long till blizz adds /spit to the ingame store and everyone says they quit cause selling emotes for cash is scam and they are goijng to ff14.

[Relapses]

How long till blizz adds /spit to the ingame store and everyone says they quit cause selling emotes for cash is scam and they are goijng to ff14.

inb4 catgirl transmog item on the Blizzard store

[Empower]

inb4 catgirl transmog item on the Blizzard store

I don't know if western game developers are allowed to make attractive girls anymore. Trend now seems to make them as manly as possible.

[justandulas]

It’s both a big deal, and an absolute nothingburger.

In reality, it’s nothing because they’ve added cosmetics before and the competition sells 10x the cosmetics.

On the other hand, WoW is in (arguably) it’s lowest point currently in its long history and both perception in game and out are at an all time low and that is not debatable. The optics of greedy MtX currently, rather than focusing on making WoW great again is why it’ll get lambasted, and rightfully so

When your game is great, MtX are welcome, but when your game is down and needs all hands on deck… that is not the time for cash in cosmetics and mtx that further sully the reputation of a game spiraling into oblivion currently.

Wow would get far less flak for this is the games quality was higher, but when your game is rock bottom.. that’s not the time to try to get more cash. That’s the time to spend your own company cash to rebuild it up to the point people besides whales, would purchase mtx.

Wow currently has a bad stigma to it, and they need to try to redeem it rather than stay the coarse and further sell out. Sell out once you’ve salvaged WoW and turned it into WoW 2.0 essentially.

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Blizzard is definitely in a tough spot. I think the cash-shop transmogs are a bad idea, not because of any "moral" or "ethical" reason, but simply because for a game already hemorrhaging players, they should be leveraging anything they can to keep players on-board.

Like, have a set of gear, and have a big in-game event. Maybe the Jailer actually does BEGIN dismantling reality. There's a set time each day that a "rift" will open somewhere in Azeroth, spawning some lowbies and eventually a world-boss. If you kill all of the bosses, you unlock a cool transmog. After two months, the event is over, so no one can get that armor anymore.

Wouldn't require a ton of work, but could get people excited enough to sub again. Keep doing short-term stuff like that every couple months, and you'd have a much more stable playerbase.

This dude gets it

[Raelbo]

Blizzard is definitely in a tough spot. I think the cash-shop transmogs are a bad idea, not because of any "moral" or "ethical" reason, but simply because for a game already hemorrhaging players, they should be leveraging anything they can to keep players on-board.

Like, have a set of gear, and have a big in-game event. Maybe the Jailer actually does BEGIN dismantling reality. There's a set time each day that a "rift" will open somewhere in Azeroth, spawning some lowbies and eventually a world-boss. If you kill all of the bosses, you unlock a cool transmog. After two months, the event is over, so no one can get that armor anymore.

Wouldn't require a ton of work, but could get people excited enough to sub again. Keep doing short-term stuff like that every couple months, and you'd have a much more stable playerbase.

Why does it have to be one or the other? Why not both?

And before you try to argue that the shop diverts resources that could otherwise be utilized for making more in-game content, that just not a well thought out argument. The simple fact is that the cash shop makes a lot more revenue than it costs to run. It is almost a certainty that a number of people currently employed in the WoW team owe their jobs to the existence of the cash shop and the revenue it brings in that justifies the continued cost of developing this game.

So if anything, WoW likely has more in-game content thanks to the shop than it would have otherwise. Even in the worst case scenario it is doubtful it would have less.

[Relapses]

Why does it have to be one or the other? Why not both?

And before you try to argue that the shop diverts resources that could otherwise be utilized for making more in-game content, that just not a well thought out argument. The simple fact is that the cash shop makes a lot more revenue than it costs to run. It is almost a certainty that a number of people currently employed in the WoW team owe their jobs to the existence of the cash shop and the revenue it brings in that justifies the continued cost of developing this game.

So if anything, WoW likely has more in-game content thanks to the shop than it would have otherwise. Even in the worst case scenario it is doubtful it would have less.

You're just going to get a Jim Sterling-esque rant about how the box price of a video game should be all you pay for... "Producing video games as a service is an inherently shady practice and any company which employs a cash shop is simply trying to maximize profits while minimizing development." And while there's a bit of truth to the cynicism... it's just unlikely to yield much of a productive discussion here.

[Raelbo]

On the other hand, WoW is in (arguably) it’s lowest point currently in its long history and both perception in game and out are at an all time low and that is not debatable. The optics of greedy MtX currently, rather than focusing on making WoW great again is why it’ll get lambasted, and rightfully so

In my experience, the "optics" of this issue are largely about those viewing it and the biases they already have. Let's face it, when we're talking about people who hate WoW it's like listening to a bitter ex going on about their ex-partner. It doesn't matter what the truth is, pretty much anything the ex has done or said is going to be viewed as terrible.

When your game is great, MtX are welcome, but when your game is down and needs all hands on deck… that is not the time for cash in cosmetics and mtx that further sully the reputation of a game spiraling into oblivion currently.

Well, without mtx, the game is likely to spiral into financial oblivion. And as I said above, those who are critical of mtx tend, in my observations, to be the sort of players who will be critical of the game regardless. So removing the shop is unlikely to improve the reputational situation, while causing financial harm to the company. Seems pretty obvious which way to go.

Wow would get far less flak for this is the games quality was higher, but when your game is rock bottom.. that’s not the time to try to get more cash. That’s the time to spend your own company cash to rebuild it up to the point people besides whales, would purchase mtx.

So let me get this straight: They need to spend more cash to fix the game, but at the same time you want them to their revenue?!? That's just insane.

Wow currently has a bad stigma to it

The bad stigma around WoW relates more to issues like their sexual harrassment in the workplace and how they treated Blitzchung. I think the stigma you're referring to relates more to individuals who are acting like jilted ex-lovers after they stopped playing.

and they need to try to redeem it rather than stay the coarse and further sell out. Sell out once you’ve salvaged WoW and turned it into WoW 2.0 essentially.

You're making a strawman fallacy here by equating selling xmog on the shop with "selling out".

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You're just going to get a Jim Sterling-esque rant about how the box price of a video game should be all you pay for...

Interestingly enough, that is all I pay for with WoW.

"Producing video games as a service is an inherently shady practice and any company which employs a cash shop is simply trying to maximize profits while minimizing development."

A few issues with this guy's statement.

Firstly it isn't an inherently shady practice so much as a potentially shady practice. What tends to make game shops shady is when they end up coercing players into spending far more on the game than was advertised.

1) Nothing from the WoW shop is particularly compelling or must-have in order to be able to play the game successfully.
2) With the existence of the token, everything on the shop can be bought with gold anyway.

Essentially the logical fallacy typically employed by the anti-shop brigade around here is: Other game makers employ shady practices through their shops. Therefore because WoW has a shop, Blizzard are employing shady practices. They never bother to critically assess whether the WoW shop actually meets any of the criteria for being shady.

And while there's a bit of truth to the cynicism... it's just unlikely to yield much of a productive discussion here.

Probably true. But that never stopped me from trying

Yeah. I would disagree

[Dejiko]

Whether it`s FFXIV or WoW, having a sub based game and an in game shop to sell cosmetics for real money is awful.
The shop was quite handy for using services like faction change, gender change, server migration and so on.

[Hctaz]

See above. A great deal of this thread is seemingly obsessed with people spending money on tokens to buy their safe ride through dungeons and raids. Call me old school but if anyone needs to be mocked it's the players that want to buy their way through raids or dungeons. If people want to do this that much they'll find a way. There's plenty of sites on the web where the money can be exchanged directly and gold sellers are still out there.

I know they'll "find a way" but it was at least not sanctioned by Blizzard and you could get banned for doing such. They banned like all of Limit in Legion for selling carries at one point I believe, though this was, of course, after the token was already in game.

[Drusin]

Honestly who wants this?

Me

How are people ok with this?

Because cosmetics don't matter

[Empower]

End of the day they have gotten away with selling power. Once you pass that point there really isn't any check left.

[Eapoe]

It never was part of the game, before the wow token. Yes, people bought gold. Yes, people used bots and other services to gain an advantage in game. But what do these people that actually provide this service tell about Blizzard? Blizzard dont do jack shit about it, never have never will. They say its so easy to keep going month after month using bots without Blizzard doing anything about it. Instead of Blizzard actually trying to fix the issue, they just implemented the wow token and called it a day. Even so, with the token - the problems with bots & Boosting has just increased. Its not solved at all, its just gotten way worse. The only thing they bother doing is banning in waves 1 or 2 times a year. Big woop.

BTW - if buying gold was part of the game from the beginning, prices for everything would have been much higher 10+ years ago. Before the wow token, Blizzard made the game around people earing the gold in-game instead of buying it for real money. Since buying gold was illegal, they couldnt calculate in that people would spend money on it. It wasnt part of the game Blizzard pushed out, it was a problem within the game.

But now we have the token. So now Blizzard knows its perfectly fine to put mounts, items++ in the game with insane prices. Cause now you can just sell a token to get gold. So theres no excuse to not have gold, just suck up the money and get it.

Theres lots of examples in the game were prices are stupidly high for no apparent reason except for the fact that wow token is in the game. Imagine how many people that have been tempted and bought that shit to obtain a mounts & items. Since Blizzard dont give two shits about bots either, farming & doing proffessions is just horrible. Thats a win for Blizzard, cause then people dont bother to actually play the game, but just pay for a token.

Whats even worse - Blizzard can do just fine with alot less people playing, and actually make worse content cause they just rake in the big bucks from token. Why create excellent content that keeps people subbed when you can do bare minimum?

This hurts everyone at every level in the game and I cant believe people actually defend that shit.

“It was never part of the game,” then lists how it was part of the game.
Also, comparatively, prices were much higher back then. Getting your first mount and flying mount in Vanilla and BC would be the equivalent of approximately 800k-1 million gold now.

Yeah, you right, Blizzard cares nothing about bots. They never do ban/suspension waves after investigating claims. Let me guess, you get upset that when you report a bot they aren’t banned immediately.

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Anyone can go to each shop and compare the prices.
For example: race change:
7 euros in FF
25 euros on WoW

Pets:
5.99 euros or lower in FF
10 euros in WoW

Oh but wait guys we can just spend hour and hours farming gold in WoW to make up the difference. Yay copium!

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Yes, i think it's just generalization. People mixing up one kind of opinion with another from different people and trying to resolve them as one.
Cash shops are bad. My opinion is that WoW's has worse practices, not that FF's shop is good.
Though as i said on the first post it comes down to the fact that FF players are simply more satisfied with their game than WoW ones. So, WoW's vocalize it more.

This might come as a surprise, but some people like spending time in game doing things like m+ and raid sales. Hanging out with friends, telling jokes, passing time doing things they have fun doing. When they do this, those hours aren’t tedium and copium (as you kids like to say these days), but are actually a fun pastime while enjoying a hobby.
Also, while they do this thing called having fun, they are effectively earning in game currency which they can transfer into bnet balance and play the game for free. While also buying things in game for free. That’s not copium, that’s having fun while not spending money to do so.

This whole copium thing is just a new buzz word that applies to a very minor amount of players that are actually addicted, but people want to use for everyone who seems to enjoy something that others hate.

[crusadernero]

“It was never part of the game,” then lists how it was part of the game.
Also, comparatively, prices were much higher back then. Getting your first mount and flying mount in Vanilla and BC would be the equivalent of approximately 800k-1 million gold now.

Yeah, you right, Blizzard cares nothing about bots. They never do ban/suspension waves after investigating claims. Let me guess, you get upset that when you report a bot they aren’t banned immediately.

You really think that Blizzard does enough to stop botting? ok then.

To compare 1 million gold to 1k or 5k gold for mounts in classic & bc is just obscene. Most people dont run around with 1 million gold in theyre pockets after playing normal.

[Drusin]

End of the day they have gotten away with selling power. Once you pass that point there really isn't any check left.

Well Blizz doesn't sell power so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

You can of course make the "they sell gold and gold can be used to buy carries/boe's and thus they sell power" argument but they still aren't selling power.