Fate of Afghanistan, Taliban resurgence

[draynay]

Yeah...

I'm not trying to be rude or anything here, but you either fail to understand or fail to appreciate just how much damage Biden's botched withdrawal has done to US credibility overseas. Maybe this is a disconnect between what the media in the US are saying compared to what's actually going on but either way it's way worse than you seem to believe.

To put it in perspective, Trump was president for four years and while he did a lot of damage to the US's credibility (especially when he abandoned the Iran deal) at no point were serving European politicians as openly critical of him as they have been of Biden due to the botched Afghan withdrawal. Hell we have members of government openly stating that the Biden administration can no longer be relied on as a partner in situations like this.

And I'm not sure how your media is reacting to Biden's bullshit that this was always going to be the outcome or that it couldn't have been done better? But on this side of the Atlantic it has gone down very badly.

Had the withdrawal been handled in a competent manner and had allies/Afghanistan actually been consulted properly then right now the Taliban would hold one province, if they were lucky, and potentially the non-US armies would have remained to work with the Afghan army. But instead the Taliban hold the entire county and all western military/civilian personnel have had to flee for their lives all due to Biden shitting the bed.

Let me know when the world laughs in Biden's face like they did Trump, or when the local populace stages massive demonstrations during his visits.

[Omega10]

Let me know when the world laughs in Biden's face like they did Trump, or when the local populace stages massive demonstrations during his visits.

EU has also been quite ... accommodating to US positions since President Biden took office. If this causes them to pull back a bit and assert their own power, well that might not be such a bad thing.

[Themius]

no one should give the taliban any aid or recognition like that, watch them undergo a quarantined famine (this was actually a strategy going on and fears of food shortage were raised), anarchy or infighting ensues and their antics at legitimacy fall apart completely.

but there's china that is giving them aid now in food and basic supplies, pretty much undermining the concept of this.

EDIT: And people are demonizing US drone strikes again
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-children.html

I guess you didn't read the thread. Here's a video:




Here's a nice little breakdown of lies:

It is important to keep track of all the lies that the Pentagon said with this one, as well as the lies that were spread through social media, including Reddit

The military initially claimed that there were no civilian casualties. They backtracked because media started reporting on the civilian deaths and because the family was part of an aid agency.

The military then claimed that the family died due to a secondary explosion by a car bomb that the terrorist was supposedly going to use (note: all of this was a fucking lie)

Social media including Reddit started to spread the false info that the missile used was a inert missile without explosives and that it was impossible for this missile to cause the damage that happened (this despite no official claim about this for this incident; some people even used a report from a previous strike to use as evidence for this)

Once it became known that the family was claiming that the US government was lying (through articles from Al Jazeera and the Intercept) people then switched to the argument that this was all necessary in order to prevent terror

The DOD also maintained the same message as the people in 4. above by claiming that this was a justified strike that helped prevent another attack despite no evidence shown for it

Against all this, the official stance of the US government is still that that they are investigating the details of the incident and that they “regret” the lives lost, despite refusing to releasing any further details including the name of the terrorist that they supposedly deterred.

[YUPPIE]

So many horrible regimes are recognized, nobody gives a fuck. But those countries benefit your country so you probably don't mind either.

1. The Taliban are a group of anarchists that murder and rape anyone they feel like in ways the average mind cannot comprehend. They love to do this to children and women most. I don’t know what other regimes you have in mind but nothing even comes close to this with nations allied with the US. Saudi Arabia is only a little less worse.

2. Educational: The US military and intelligence groups operates under the logic of sacrifices for the greater good or ends. So, say, if there’s a group of international terrorists chilling out in a civilian zone and the only way to kill them without hope of slithering out is scorching the zone into non-existence, the US would do it. Hence the use of relatively indiscriminate drone strikes and orbital bombings.

I wholeheartedly agree with that philosophy as an American citizen.

[JohnBrown1917]

1. The Taliban are a group of anarchists that murder and rape anyone they feel like in ways the average mind cannot comprehend. They love to do this to children and women most. I don’t know what other regimes you have in mind but nothing even comes close to this with nations allied with the US. Saudi Arabia is only a little less worse.

2. Educational: The US military and intelligence groups operates under the logic of sacrifices for the greater good or ends. So, say, if there’s a group of international terrorists chilling out in a civilian zone and the only way to kill them by surprise is scorching the zone, the US would do it.

I wholeheartedly agree with that philosophy as an American citizen.

Lmao the Taliban are not Anarchists.

[Themius]

Lmao the Taliban are not Anarchists.

One mans Authoritative Theocratic Oligarchy, is one mans anarchist... apparently. I don't know how you cube that sphere.

[YUPPIE]

Lmao the Taliban are not Anarchists.

If they have believable goals other than to be able to indiscriminately murder and rape women and children under the blanket of insane religious ideologies, then they are not anarchists.

The Mexican cartels, for evil comparison, are hedonistic. They engage in the same violence as the Taliban do to make money so they can enjoy the vices in life that normal people would.

The Taliban are genuinely ALL about their religious ideologies and beliefs though. If they seek to make money, it’s not to reach out to the normal luxuries of life but to finance the carnage of raping and murdering.

I just don’t know how anyone can try to paint the Taliban in even a pragmatic way. They are chaotic evil personified in real life.

[Shadowferal]

Hell many western countries now consider him more of a liability than Trump was lol.

the saucy source..?

[draynay]

If they have believable goals other than to be able to indiscriminately murder and rape women and children under the blanket of insane religious ideologies, then they are not anarchists.

The Mexican cartels, for comparison, are hedonistic. They engage in the same violence as the Taliban do to make money so they can enjoy the vices in life that normal people would.

The Taliban are genuinely ALL about their religious ideologies and beliefs though. If they seek to make money, it’s not to enjoy normal luxuries but to finance the carnage of raping and murdering.

You do not know what an anarchist is.

[YUPPIE]

You do not know what an anarchist is.

People that cause chaos and disorder for fun

[JohnBrown1917]

If they have believable goals other than to be able to indiscriminately murder and rape women and children under the blanket of insane religious ideologies, then they are not anarchists.

The Mexican cartels, for evil comparison, are hedonistic. They engage in the same violence as the Taliban do to make money so they can enjoy the vices in life that normal people would.

The Taliban are genuinely ALL about their religious ideologies and beliefs though. If they seek to make money, it’s not to reach out to the normal luxuries of life but to finance the carnage of raping and murdering.

I just don’t know how anyone can try to paint the Taliban in even a pragmatic way. They are chaotic evil personified in real life.

Ye, we call those Theocracies, like Saudi Arabia, America's best friend.

[Omega10]

1. The Taliban are a group of anarchists that murder and rape anyone they feel like in ways the average mind cannot comprehend. They love to do this to children and women most. I don’t know what other regimes you have in mind but nothing even comes close to this with nations allied with the US. Saudi Arabia is only a little less worse.

2. Educational: The US military and intelligence groups operates under the logic of sacrifices for the greater good or ends. So, say, if there’s a group of international terrorists chilling out in a civilian zone and the only way to kill them without hope of slithering out is scorching the zone into non-existence, the US would do it. Hence the use of relatively indiscriminate drone strikes and orbital bombings.

I wholeheartedly agree with that philosophy as an American citizen.

There are more effective ways of destroying the reputation of the US and turning the rest of the world against us. But not many.

[YUPPIE]

Ye, we call those Theocracies, like Saudi Arabia, America's best friend.

Saudi Arabia is not a friend. It’s a pragmatic alliance.

[Shadowferal]

I just don’t know how anyone can try to paint the Taliban in even a pragmatic way. They are chaotic evil personified in real life.

Former President Donald Trump praised the Taliban on Tuesday, calling the group "smart" and "good fighters."

Trump's praise of the Taliban is alarming, considering that the group is known for its brutal, violent tactics. Just this year, the militant group beheaded an Afghan interpreter for the US Army. The Taliban has also been accused of multiple bombings and assassinations.

[JohnBrown1917]

Saudi Arabia is not a friend. It’s a pragmatic alliance.

I do love your jokes.

[PhaelixWW]

Had the withdrawal been handled in a competent manner and had allies/Afghanistan actually been consulted properly then right now the Taliban would hold one province, if they were lucky, and potentially the non-US armies would have remained to work with the Afghan army. But instead the Taliban hold the entire county and all western military/civilian personnel have had to flee for their lives all due to Biden shitting the bed.

Except... no.

And what consulting? You mean for the agreement that happened during the Trump presidency? Somehow you want to hold Biden to blame for that? Biden held no political position at the time. And this withdrawal was certainly no surprise to anybody in the EU (or elsewhere), due to the agreement in place.

The idea that Biden is as damaging to US opinion as Trump is absolutely hilarious.

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So, say, if there’s a group of international terrorists chilling out in a civilian zone and the only way to kill them without hope of slithering out is scorching the zone into non-existence, the US would do it. Hence the use of relatively indiscriminate drone strikes and orbital bombings.

I wholeheartedly agree with that philosophy as an American citizen.

Yes, we know that you support the use of nuclear weapons on civilian populations.

It's definitely strange to hear someone be so boastfully about a level of hatred that is frankly disgusting.

[Gaaz]

People that cause chaos and disorder for fun

That has nothing to do with anarchy or anarchists. I get it, most people confuse left and right political ideologies. Most, for example, believe that USSR was a communist country, while in reality it was a right wing totalitarian country, with elements of socialism thrown into a mix. A particracy. China is not communist either, despite the name of the ruling party. It too is a totalitarianism. A particracy is probably the closest definition, though kritarchy fits as well for the most part. US is almost there as well, only with a slightly different totalitarian form of government mixed with capitalism - a plutocracy.

Anarchism is the idea that proposes ultimate equality and opposes any and all involuntary hierarchy and rule forms. An ultimate, absolute left. You have the same rights as the next guy, whoever he or she might be. A cop does not have the right to stop you unless you want it, you do not have to obey laws if you do not want it, government can not force you to do anything, including paying taxes, work, regulate you in any way and so on. Needless to say that this ideology is non functional in a large society, but it can work for very small groups of people.

The opposite side is totalitarianism - ultimate form of order. This, while theoretically functional on a large scale, I find it difficult to find examples of successful societies that benefited in the long term from it, without some other elements borrowed from more liberal ideologies. Though absolutely, as with anarchism, it may well be utilized on a very small scale in some circumstances. Does not mean that all participants will be happy though, but the community might be successful.

[Specialka]

That has nothing to do with anarchy or anarchists. I get it, most people confuse left and right political ideologies. Most, for example, believe that USSR was a communist country, while in reality it was a right wing totalitarian country, with elements of socialism thrown into a mix. A particracy. China is not communist either, despite the name of the ruling party. It too is a totalitarianism. A particracy is probably the closest definition, though kritarchy fits as well for the most part. US is almost there as well, only with a slightly different totalitarian form of government mixed with capitalism - a plutocracy.

Anarchism is the idea that proposes ultimate equality and opposes any and all involuntary hierarchy and rule forms. An ultimate, absolute left. You have the same rights as the next guy, whoever he or she might be. A cop does not have the right to stop you unless you want it, you do not have to obey laws if you do not want it, government can not force you to do anything, including paying taxes, work, regulate you in any way and so on. Needless to say that this ideology is non functional in a large society, but it can work for very small groups of people.

The opposite side is totalitarianism - ultimate form of order. This, while theoretically functional on a large scale, I find it difficult to find examples of successful societies that benefited in the long term from it, without some other elements borrowed from more liberal ideologies. Though absolutely, as with anarchism, it may well be utilized on a very small scale in some circumstances. Does not mean that all participants will be happy though, but the community might be successful.

You would be right if totalitarism or authoritarism was not found on both side of the political spectrum.

[postman1782]

You would be right if totalitarism or authoritarism was not found on both side of the political spectrum.

They really aren't, but good try.

[Specialka]

They really aren't, but good try.

Sure, you are free to believe that