Andrew Yang to Launch a Third Party

[Shadowferal]

Easy for a person to be passionate about a subject one is ignorant about.

[Lenonis]

Can you even give me one example of an argument or position I am not sincere about? Try to name one, I will then tell you why I see a certain position as the best and why it is better than the alternative.

Ah, I see you don't understand. I'm not taking issues with the positions you take. I'm just saying that your posting style and content lends me to disbelieve your sincerity as a poster here. There is zero way to prove or disprove it.

But if you really want to know -- your general anti-science anti-history stances are completely absurd and the lengths you go to try to make them make sense are a good indicator you are more interested in provoking reactions than honest dialog.

[Endus]

Bologna. There's 7 billion people. That's $7 trillion a month, $84 trillion a year. Total wealth accumulated from every year on Earth is only maybe $400 trillion. UBI would be an insane program with 2021 numbers.

It's cute that you're ignoring cost-of-living and such, but it means your argument doesn't pass a basic smell test.

Oh and if UBI is legit then it must be increasingly universal over time. Meaning all countries need to try implement a similar policy and it shouldn't discriminate against young and old people.

1> That's not something any national policy can achieve. But success will breed repetition.
2> A UBI already doesn't "discriminate".

[Doctor Amadeus]

Oh no. I don't think PC2 is a real account in any sense.

He fits into the category I've put posters like Orlong and some others -- They are just amusing themselves here with absurd takes but are representative of a group of people who actually believe these things.

I do think some folks like Texasrules and Machismo are sincere in there beliefs even when they get on the more extreme/absurd side. But most of our current batch of right wingers are just cosplay accounts for the lulz.

Good points there was that one dude that blamed his terrible takes on being a naturally evolve autistic or some shit, I forgot his name off the top of my head but maybe. However, I don't think PC2 is anything other than who he says he is. Or they or whatever.

[PC2]

I'm not taking issues with the positions you take.

That's all I care about.

I'm just saying that your posting style and content lends me to disbelieve your sincerity as a poster here.

Sorry, Twitter is the best medium right now so i'm just using the Twitter format here. If I wrote books on MMO-Champ like Skroe did it would take too much time.

But if you really want to know -- your general anti-science anti-history stances are completely absurd and the lengths you go to try to make them make sense are a good indicator you are more interested in provoking reactions than honest dialog.

Yeah it seems absurd, Karl Popper's teachings about science, history, and induction sound "absurd" to most people at first. But eventually you'll figure out that Karl Popper is correct about science. Science is only about creating testable explanations, it has literally nothing to do with inducing historical data and observations.

Ignorance is bliss which explains why you pretend to champion the cause of optimism.

I don't "pretend" to champion optimism. The source of optimism is the fact that all interesting problems are soluble. If pessimists want to believe failure or doom is inevitable then they are free to do so, but they are simply incorrect.

[cuafpr]

On what planet do you need $70k+ just to get by?

The more-aggressive UBI models call for anywhere up to $45k or so. I haven't seen anyone proposing more than the equivalent of a living wage as UBI.

based off the study referenced in this article that says up to around 70-75k the more you make the happier you feel as you worry less about bills and necessities. After 70k it seems to have less impact on a person's happiness. Granted in the US again UBI will need to be based on local cost of living. Using your 45k, that's nothing in NYC but good to great in some midwestern towns... unless of course the gov't regulates cost of living via price of property and goods control.

http://content.time.com/time/magazin...019628,00.html

[PC2]

Granted in the US again UBI will need to be based on local cost of living.

Nah that would create a sh-tstorm for Andrew Yang if people didn't get the same universal payment. If you live in Manhattan but can't afford it you shouldn't get triple the money just because you want to live in the most happening place with the most opportunity and income potential.

[Glorious Leader]

market place of ideas.

I never imagined somebody would use this term unironically.

[PC2]

I never imagined somebody would use this term unironically.

Why is that? Progress in a liberal democracy requires competing ideas/theories. We should be tolerant of different people's ideas(like Yang's UBI), even if we think they're misguided and won't work as expected.

[Shadowferal]

I never imagined somebody would use this term unironically.

He seems to have backed off the whole bullshit "I'm pro-science but fuck science" claim.

[PC2]

He seems to have backed off the whole bullshit "I'm pro-science but fuck science" claim.

Nope I'm 100% pro-science. Science doesn't say socialism is correct though, that's a misunderstanding of science on your part.

[Shadowferal]

Nope I'm 100% pro-science. Science doesn't say socialism is correct though, that's a misunderstanding of science on your part.

Yeah... We're the ones misunderstanding science..

How's that Star Trek shit work in real life again?

[PC2]

Yeah... We're the ones misunderstanding science..

How's that Star Trek shit work in real life again?

@Shadowferal, what are you claiming science is telling us to do that we're not doing?

I like how Andrew Yang emphasizes science and math, but if he thinks science is determining his policies such as UBI then he is simply wrong and confused on that issue.

[Endus]

Nope I'm 100% pro-science. Science doesn't say socialism is correct though, that's a misunderstanding of science on your part.

Your stances on things like climate change are categorically opposed to this.

Or are you admitting you were wrong about that this whole time? Because climate-change-denial bullshit like you've posted repeatedly on that subject is anything but "pro-science".

[PC2]

Your stances on things like climate change are categorically opposed to this.

Or are you admitting you were wrong about that this whole time? Because climate-change-denial bullshit like you've posted repeatedly on that subject is anything but "pro-science".

Nope, I've never had an unscientific stance as it relates to climate change. I very much support science and using it to solve climate change. Again though, if you believe science can determine that the government should implement Green Party policies then you are engaged in scientism.

[Glorious Leader]

Nope, I've never had an unscientific stance as it relates to climate change. I very much support science and using it to solve climate change. Again though, if you believe science can determine that the government should implement Green Party policies then you are engaged in scientism.

This is beyond retarded. Are you suggesting that science cannot also be prescriptive? Do you generally ignore the medical advice given to you by doctors as well?

[Calfredd]

Nope, I've never had an unscientific stance as it relates to climate change. I very much support science and using it to solve climate change. Again though, if you believe science can determine that the government should implement Green party policies then you are engaged in scientism.

Lying does not help your case and before you say "Show me where I have lied", I'm already one step ahead of you there.

[Shadowferal]

Nope, I've never had an unscientific stance as it relates to climate change. I very much support science and using it to solve climate change. Again though, if you believe science can determine that the government should implement Green Party policies then you are engaged in scientism.

*chuckles*
Define scientism.

[PC2]

This is beyond retarded.

Why?

Are you suggesting that science cannot also be prescriptive?

That's exactly right. Science is explanatory as opposed to prescriptive. Science is not a crystal ball nor is it an authority over what people and society should do. Morality can be prescriptive though in the sense that it can tell you about what you should do, even though it lacks testable explanations like in science.

Do you generally ignore the medical advice given to you by doctors as well?

When I've went to the doctor they've always told me about the problem and how to fix it. I've only had good experiences.

A lot of doctors aren't scientists though because a lot of them have no interest in creating or testing explanations. They easily can be scientist but it just depends on what the individual doctor wants and what kind of work they are interested in.

[Glorious Leader]

When I've went to the doctor they've always told me about the problem and how to fix it.

because research was done by...wait for it... fucking scientists. Science IS both descriptive and prescriptive.