Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[kail]

...and? We know there are people who don't like Biden, a guy in Texas literally murdered a couple simply because they voted for him. Even liberal NYC has plenty of Republicans that hate Joe Biden.

Why does this matter? Why should we care?

Being a minority voter makes them feel special for some reason. See a lot of right-wing posts inserting their liberal state (NY, CA, etc.) as if it gives their voice more weight. Small newsflash: It doesn't.

[Edge-]

Being a minority voter makes them feel special for some reason. See a lot of right-wing posts inserting their liberal state (NY, CA, etc.) as if it gives their voice more weight. Small newsflash: It doesn't.

This is like the "huge" showing of opposition for mandated vaccines up in...Toronto I think? It was emergency responders/health care workers out there opposing mandatory vaccinations for covid. There were like, 200 of them standing in a park! So many people!

And then someone did the math on it and all the people who showed up - and we have no way of knowing how many are actually emergency responders/health care workers so for all we know it could have been all paid actors - and if they are all indeed who they claim to be that represents > 2% of emergency responders/health care workers there.

Which makes things look at lot different. This "big" protest suddenly becomes very small as you see that it's a loud hyperminority that's the issue, not the majority of folks that are fine taking the vaccine just like they were fine taking the polio vaccine so they wouldn't end up in an iron fuckin lung.

[postman1782]

https://twitter.com/SteveGuest/statu...rc=twsrc%5Etfw
And one of those judges evading questions of why she signed the letter saying Justice Brett Kavanaugh is intellectually and morally bankrupt.
She wouldn't answer because she's a political judge. She does everything for party, even stating as rhetorical advocacy.

Also more Fuck Joe Biden chants, this time at a New York protest
https://twitter.com/LeeroyPress/stat...rc=twsrc%5Etfw

Who cares what that slimeball Ted Cancun Cruz thinks.

[Kaleredar]

https://twitter.com/SteveGuest/statu...rc=twsrc%5Etfw
And one of those judges evading questions of why she signed the letter saying Justice Brett Kavanaugh is intellectually and morally bankrupt.
She wouldn't answer because she's a political judge. She does everything for party, even stating as rhetorical advocacy.

Also more Fuck Joe Biden chants, this time at a New York protest
https://twitter.com/LeeroyPress/stat...rc=twsrc%5Etfw

If you think that occasional "protests" against Biden are damning, boy you really missed the four years of American media, academia, and the public constantly and unrelentingly slamming Trump.


Though I think some of those incidents might have even made their way to you; I hear Trump had people pepper sprayed on his way to a church he wasn't invited to for a photo op where he held a bible upside-down. Ringing any bells?

Meanwhile, what did Biden do... wear a tan suit?


I look forward to your next post in two weeks where you once again try and make something out of nothing to claim you have something even approaching legitimate concern or moral high ground.

[PhaelixWW]

I hear Trump had people pepper sprayed on his way to a church he wasn't invited to for a photo op where he held a bible upside-down.

No, no, no! This is absolutely false! Fake news!






(The bible wasn't actually upside down...)

[Edge-]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...epublican-lie/

This is what happens when an entire political party takes leave of reality.

On Tuesday morning, one of the most senior and important Republican senators used one of the most prominent settings in official Washington to level one of the most serious allegations possible against the commander in chief. And his charge was based on an utter fabrication.

Sen. Jim Risch of Idaho, ranking Republican on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, used a hearing intended for sworn testimony from the secretary of state on the Afghanistan withdrawal to allege that President Biden is mentally incompetent.

Risch first devoted his opening statement to continuing the long-running Republican narrative. “We know for a fact the president of the United States is somewhat disadvantaged here in that someone is calling the shots. He can’t even speak without someone in the White House censoring it or signing off on it,” the senator claimed. “As recently as yesterday, in mid-sentence, he was cut off by someone in the White House who makes the decision that the president of the United States is not speaking correctly. … This is a puppeteer act.”

Then, as the first Republican questioner, Risch used his time to elaborate on the slander. “Somebody in the White House who has authority to press the button and stop the president, cut off the president’s speaking ability and sound," he told Secretary of State Antony Blinken. "Who is that person?”

Blinken chuckled as he replied that the loose-lipped Biden “speaks very clearly and very deliberately for himself.”

Risch was unconvinced. “Are you saying there is no one in the White House that can cut him off? Because yesterday that happened and it’s happened a number of times before that.”

Smiling, Blinken assured Risch that “there is no such person.”

Risch insisted, again, that “it happened yesterday at the Interagency Fire Center. It was widely reported. … Are you telling this committee that this does not happen, that there is no one in the White House who pushes the button and cuts him off in mid-sentence?”

After yet another back-and-forth on the matter, Blinken finally told the senator: “I really don’t know what you are referring to.”

There’s good reason for that: It didn’t happen.

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The story begins with the White House’s Monday press schedule, which announced that Biden would receive a wildfire briefing in Boise. The press coverage was listed as “out-of-town pool spray at the top.” In English, this means that a group of the traveling White House press corps is admitted to the event at the beginning and then brought out after journalists get some video and audio. It’s a routine practice presidents have used for decades. And that’s exactly what happened Monday. According to the pool report, the group was escorted in at 12:08 p.m. for the start of the briefing and “escorted out at roughly 12:35” — a relatively long spray.

That would have been the end of the matter, except that somebody in the research department at the RNC, watching the White House’s livestream, decided that something nefarious had happened. “White House feed cuts out as Biden starts to ask a question,” the RNC tweeted.

Rupert Murdoch’s New York Post, crediting the RNC for the scoop, published an article under the headline, “White House livestream cuts Biden mid-sentence as he goes off script.”

“An official White House livestream of President Biden’s remarks was abruptly cut off mid-sentence on Monday,” it began, linking Monday’s “incident” to White House officials’ “fear he’ll veer wildly off-message.”

All that was left was for Risch to trumpet the fabrication — and then to demand to know why Blinken was “unaware this is actually happening.”

In which we see the lies being literally created in real time, and the useful idiots in the Republican party all to happy to repeat them.

Bonus points: The sidetracking on the baseless lie distracted from what should have been a largely a great place for Republicans to attack Biden over Afghanistan.

[Benggaul]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...epublican-lie/



In which we see the lies being literally created in real time, and the useful idiots in the Republican party all to happy to repeat them.

Bonus points: The sidetracking on the baseless lie distracted from what should have been a largely a great place for Republicans to attack Biden over Afghanistan.

Well you're missing the big, flashing "Projection" sign since this is exactly what was going on with the Trump administration. People would feed him lines during a briefing, he'd fuck them up on camera and then while everyone was laughing at him the people who did the most harm in his administration carried on with their deeds just asking for his "autograph" on some documents from time to time.

I think anytime someone in the GOP wants to question Biden's sanity he should just respond with "Person, Woman, Man, Camera, TV" and walk away with a shit-eating grin on his face.

[Edge-]

I think anytime someone in the GOP wants to question Biden's sanity he should just respond with "Person, Woman, Man, Camera, TV" and walk away with a shit-eating grin on his face.

I mean...homeboy rides bikes and can drive a car (and a manual at that, I believe). Two things I don't think I've ever seen Trump do.

[Benggaul]

I mean...homeboy rides bikes and can drive a car (and a manual at that, I believe). Two things I don't think I've ever seen Trump do.

Also, drink one-handed.

[Kaleredar]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...epublican-lie/



In which we see the lies being literally created in real time, and the useful idiots in the Republican party all to happy to repeat them.

Bonus points: The sidetracking on the baseless lie distracted from what should have been a largely a great place for Republicans to attack Biden over Afghanistan.

Most people are probably going to forget about Afghanistan by 2022 and the takeaway will be “it’s good we’re out” more than “Biden and co. were not adequately prepared for withdrawal.”

Besides, the reason why the withdrawal was such mess is fairly complicated and had to do with trumps original withdrawal schedule, nuances to the taliban’s fighting schedule, the Afghan military, and many other things too complicated to give the average Trump voter single-word catch phrases to toss around like they did with “Benghazi” with Hillary.

[beanman12345]

Early numbers looking good for California to keep some of their sanity.

[Breccia]

Early numbers looking good for California to keep some of their sanity.

Newsom probably survives recall. It turns out, a lot of voters prefer someone with capable governing experience and who has proven to take the pandemic seriously, over people who tweet in all caps from the sidelines.

With 59 percent of the vote tallied in an election conducted almost entirely through the mail, just 33 percent of voters supported recalling Newsom; the Associated Press projected the recall would fail.

Supporters of the recall gathered more than 2.1 million signatures to force an election, after a state judge granted them an extension because of the coronavirus pandemic. The pandemic, and the lockdowns Newsom ordered, fueled the anger that bolstered the signature-gathering efforts.

But Newsom’s response to the pandemic also undergirded a summer rebound that led to his victory. The race to inoculate Californians against the coronavirus made the state one of the most vaccinated in America, while stimulus measures passed by the Democratic-controlled state legislature send recovery checks to small businesses and low-income residents just as ballots hit mailboxes around the state.

Polls showed most California voters favored the types of vaccine and mask mandates that Newsom has imposed, and Newsom’s paid media had emphasized the contrast with his opponents — and chiefly conservative radio host Larry Elder (R) — who were critical of the mandates. More than 83 percent of Californians have already received at least one dose of the vaccine, one of the highest rates in the nation.

It will be official either way soon enough.

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Biden orders DoJ to block Texas abortion law on the grounds that it's unConstitutional.

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Interesting.

When you click on the FOX News headline "Embattled Gov. Newsom's fate is sealed after facing slew of GOP challengers in monthslong recall race" it takes you to an article with a headline "The No's have it - Gov. Gavin Newsom survives in California recall election".

I refreshed several times. "Fate is sealed" is...I mean, I guess it's technically accurate.

[PhaelixWW]

Interesting.

When you click on the FOX News headline "Embattled Gov. Newsom's fate is sealed after facing slew of GOP challengers in monthslong recall race" it takes you to an article with a headline "The No's have it - Gov. Gavin Newsom survives in California recall election".

I refreshed several times. "Fate is sealed" is...I mean, I guess it's technically accurate.

That's the GoP version of clickbait, yo.

I guarantee you there are a lot of Fox News regulars who have clicked on that and gone, "Dangit!"

They know their audience, I guess.

[Kaleredar]

Early numbers looking good for California to keep some of their sanity.

I'm certainly hoping that's the case. I was liking not having to worry about some pocket of Trump-esque crazy bullshit in public office.

[Beefhammer]

38% of New York voted for Trump, I hate to break it to you but a lot of "blue states" have 30-40% of people voting for the other side.

Just like most red states have 30-45% voting for team Blue. But you never hear dotards like texaslies ever show concern for those voters like they have over the "ignired" red voters in blue states.

Cute fact, that we already know, if it weren't for gerrymandering and voter suppression laws the GOP would be a small regional party. They would never have a majority nor rarely, if ever win the presidency. Like I've pointed out. Dem representatives in the state of Michigan routinely get 60% of the total votes yet typically have 30-40% of the house seats for the state. Doesn't really add up when you almost consistently have 2 dem senators to never have a majority of dem representatives.

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does everything for party.

Fucking rich coming from you. Seems like you guys don't like the taste of your own medicine. Back to the kids table. The adults are talking.

[PhaelixWW]

Cute fact, that we already know, if it weren't for gerrymandering and voter suppression laws the GOP would be a small regional party. They would never have a majority nor rarely, if ever win the presidency.

Gerrymandering has nothing to do with the Electoral College.

[ati87]

Gerrymandering has nothing to do with the Electoral College.

Well he did say suppression laws which the GOP can partly pass because of gerrymandering.

[Beefhammer]

Gerrymandering has nothing to do with the Electoral College.

No shit. I was referring to the fact that they have won only 1 popular vote since 1988. The country isn't split 50/50 like they think. it's about 40 Dem/30 GOP/20 Dem leaning independent/10 GOP leaning independent. If things were fair, like proportional representation according to the Wyoming rule, the GOP would never hold the office of the president. Gerrymandering is what keeps them in power in congress most of the time.

[PhaelixWW]

If things were fair, like proportional representation according to the Wyoming rule, the GOP would never hold the office of the president.

Ugh. People never seem to understand that the Wyoming rule would change next to nothing.

EDIT: I've expounded at length on the subject before, so let me crosspost this from just over a year ago:

Again, Trump won (ignoring faithless electors) by a count of 306-232, which is 56.88%. Under the Wyoming method, the result would have been 370-280, which is 56.92%. That means that he would have won by a larger margin had we been using the Wyoming method in 2016. I have an Excel spreadsheet breaking it all down, but after I did the work myself, I realized that it was already done, and then some, on the wikipedia page for the Wyoming Rule.

Here, I'll post a condensed snippet of the table they have on the page to elaborate the point:

YEAR	WINNER	STANDARD	WYOMING	DIF
1932	D	472-59, (88.89%)	1282-157, (89.09%)	0.20%
1936	D	523-8, (98.49%)	1422-17, (98.82%)	0.33%
1940	D	449-82, (84.56%)	1229-210, (85.41%)	0.85%
1944	D	432-99, (81.36%)	1051-233, (81.85%)	0.49%
1948	D	304-189, (57.25%)	731-461, (56.93%)	-0.32%
1952	R	442-89, (85.24%)	862-170, (83.53%)	-1.71%
1956	R	457-74, (86.06%)	889-143, (86.14%)	0.08%
1960	D	303-220, (56.42%)	600-413, (57.69%)	1.27%
1964	D	486-52, (90.33%)	809-84, (90.59%)	0.26%
1968	R	302-191, (56.13%)	495-325, (55.43%)	-0.70%
1972	R	521-17, (96.84%)	753-24, (96.91%)	0.07%
1976	D	297-241, (55.2%)	437-340, (56.24%)	1.04%
1980	R	489-49, (90.89%)	709-68, (91.25%)	0.36%
1984	R	525-13, (97.58%)	650-15, (97.74%)	0.16%
1988	R	426-112, (79.18%)	529-136, (79.55%)	0.37%
1992	D	370-168, (68.77%)	448-200, (69.14%)	0.37%
1996	D	379-159, (70.45%)	459-189, (70.83%)	0.38%
2000	R	271-267, (50.37%)	324-324, (50%)	-0.37%
2004	R	286-252, (53.16%)	353-319, (52.53%)	-0.63%
2008	D	365-173, (67.84%)	458-214, (68.15%)	0.31%
2012	D	332-206, (61.71%)	402-248, (61.85%)	0.14%
2016	R	306-232, (56.88%)	370-280, (56.92%)	0.04%

As you can see, in only 5/22 cases would the Wyoming method have resulted in gains for the defeated party, which means that 77% of the time, the Wyoming method would have bolstered the winning party's lead. Nor is the benefit limited to one party over another.

Overall, the Wyoming method would have had an average swing of only 0.48% (absolute value) per election. And again, 0.48% in terms of the current EC is only the equivalent of 2.6 EVs.

[Breccia]

Not a huge update, but the fact that we're not seeing a massive What A Twist! change means Newsom is still okay. NYTimes posted 38 minutes ago Newsom had 64.2% of the vote with 67% reporting.

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One, the most horrifying thing you'll hear all week (I hope) is a man was apparently attacked by an alligator in Ida floodwaters and is still missing.

UPDATE: The suspect has been apprehended. The twelve-foot 500-pound fucking dinosaur was found to have human remains in its gullet. A DNA test is ongoing.