Sure. But Spidey's got a proven track record of beating people above his weight class. Rhino, Juggernaut, etc.
And yeah, while Firelord's arrogance played a role... Spidey just was not holding back at all in that fight. Spider-Man hardly ever uses his full strength when he's fighting. And Spider-Man gets really fucking strong when he needs to. He's like the Hulk....only it isn't really anger that makes him stronger...it's desperation.
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Peace is a lie. There is only passion. Through passion I gain strength. Through strength I gain power.
Through power I gain victory. Through victory my chains are broken. The Force shall set me free.
–The Sith Code
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You seem to really want Spidey to be unbeatable. But that's not the case. His strength level at 10 tons with a spidey sense enhancing his reflexes (fastest reflexes under nirmal conditions) combined with his agility make him the most powerful in his class. But that class doesn't go very far.
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It's ALWAYS the writers.
The great Stan Lee:
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I never said they weren't sentient. They've always been sentient in the comics. Differing levels of sentience depending on which origin the writers were going with at the time... but the symbiote has always had it's own agency. When Peter first rejected it...it wanted him back. When Peter tried to kill it...it wanted vengeance...but it also still wanted Peter back. Peter's even used his sexy body to trick the symbiote:
And yeah, I've read King in Black. Also a couple of other times they've retconned the Symbiotes origins.
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THey've had a few different origins....I don't think any of them really directly contradict the others...they just push back farther in time with every origin. So it's kind of like one writer said "They're like this" and the next writer is like "But before that they were this" and so on.
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Your post still doesn't make any sense. In the first quote I responded to, the poster was telling Andrew to confirm the leak. If Sony didn't want anyone to be surprised, then they would have just let Andrew confirm the leak. Or Sony themselves would just come right out and confirm it.
Why would the poster ask for Sony to allow information to be provided if Sony is already allowing the information to be provided?
And even then, what you are saying still doesn't address my point. Folks, like the poster I responded to, are actively seeking spoilers. I suggested, regardless of whether or not Sony wants you to know, we could just to wait for the movie...then watch it...then everything you were wondering about the movie will be answered. Completely irrelevant if Sony wants you to know or not. You can still not actively seek spoilers, even if Sony is giving them. I know plenty of folks who avoid trailers and any other marketing information for just that reason.
"Take the time to sit down and talk with your adversaries. You will learn something, and they will learn something from you. When two enemies are talking, they are not fighting. It's when the talking ceases that the ground becomes fertile for violence. So keep the conversation going."
~ Daryl Davis
It’s been a while since I’ve seen any of the original movies but does spidy ever actually try to get any of the villains to turn them selfs in?
Like isn’t he just going to leave Norman before he stabs him self and after he fights Harry for the first time he doesn’t try any cops involved just gets him to a hospital.
All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.
The difference being that Sandman was expressing regret for his actions. Norman wasn't.
He also tried to reason with Octavius
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No, you inferred that....I insinuated nothing of the kind. I was talking about how the venom symbiote was with Peter. When Peter had the symbiote...there wasn't a lot known about them. But it was apparent to the reader that it had some degree of sentience. It would take his body out for joyrides when he was sleeping.
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I'm not arguing against any of that stuff. That's why I don't know why you keep quoting me. I agree with all the things you are saying.
I'm just saying, instead of "Actively Looking for and Specifically Requesting Spoiler Information", you can just don't. If you happen upon it, 'cause Sony keeps putting it out there, then that is what it is. But that's different from actively seeking it.
Now if you are suggesting we all should actively request spoiler information so we can know everything about a movie before it even hits the theater, then we can have a discussion about that, or just agree to disagree.
"Take the time to sit down and talk with your adversaries. You will learn something, and they will learn something from you. When two enemies are talking, they are not fighting. It's when the talking ceases that the ground becomes fertile for violence. So keep the conversation going."
~ Daryl Davis
Decided to look up some clips to refresh my memory's and boy do the effects not stand up.
Looks like Norman did try going for the regret/victim route though Peter wasn't really responsive.
For Oc he doesn't really seems like he cares about punishment/jail he just want's to stop the death ball, and he apparently doesn't go back to look for a body/see if he lived which seems odd.
All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.
"Take the time to sit down and talk with your adversaries. You will learn something, and they will learn something from you. When two enemies are talking, they are not fighting. It's when the talking ceases that the ground becomes fertile for violence. So keep the conversation going."
~ Daryl Davis
"Take the time to sit down and talk with your adversaries. You will learn something, and they will learn something from you. When two enemies are talking, they are not fighting. It's when the talking ceases that the ground becomes fertile for violence. So keep the conversation going."
~ Daryl Davis
"I was a normal baby for 30 seconds, then ninjas stole my mamma" - Deadpool
"so what do we do?" "well jack, you stand there and say 'gee rocket raccoon I'm so glad you brought that Unfeasibly large cannon with you..' and i go like this BRAKKA BRAKKA BRAKKA" - Rocket Raccoon
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All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.