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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    California continues to be a shithole nothing is new
    man i wish half the states down south were just as big of a 'shithole' as you call it as CA. then maybe a dozen states would not have to keep sending them 2-3 dollars for every dollar they pay in taxes.
    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

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    So Theo just launched and left this, as usual? Awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    So Theo just launched and left this, as usual? Awesome.
    There was nothing to discuss in the first place. Even the most rabid pro-union supporters realize that CA was the firs to enact legislation and has the strongest legislation to protect farm workers' right to join, campaign and form union. The rest is mostly about details.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    So Theo just launched and left this, as usual? Awesome.
    She swung way too hard with this one.

    If she made it about Newsom specifically she might have actually landed a hit for once... but she tripped over her own feet with her attempt to frame this as "This is how all democrats are" and her weird attempt to draw a paralell between this and mail-in ballots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    California continues to be a shithole nothing is new
    I wonder what the worthless trolls would consider a non-shithole state. So that we have something to compare it to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    California continues to be a shithole nothing is new
    What the holy fuck are you even talking about? CA is rocking it on a number of fronts, including a balanced budget.

    (maybe you were being sarcastic and I missed it)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    She swung way too hard with this one.

    If she made it about Newsom specifically she might have actually landed a hit for once... but she tripped over her own feet with her attempt to frame this as "This is how all democrats are" and her weird attempt to draw a paralell between this and mail-in ballots.
    Typical dumb dumb Theo thread. Let's focus on one of the more controversial bills and not one like oh let's say Assembly Bill No. 701 which Newsom signed.

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    I want to make sure I got this right....

    - A Dem governor, in the most Dem state, does something that isn't liberal thereby showing once again that American liberals are more center or right center which destroys the Republican accusations of Dems being far left.

    - Then on top of it, Dems can say they don't agree with him on that measure, thereby destroying the other Republican accusations that Dems are all sycophants that agree with anything a Dem says.

    And in light of all that, this thread was supposed to be a pwn of Dems...because......why again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuujin View Post
    Typical dumb dumb Theo thread. Let's focus on one of the more controversial bills and not one like oh let's say Assembly Bill No. 701 which Newsom signed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodakane View Post
    I want to make sure I got this right....

    - A Dem governor, in the most Dem state, does something that isn't liberal thereby showing once again that American liberals are more center or right center which destroys the Republican accusations of Dems being far left.

    - Then on top of it, Dems can say they don't agree with him on that measure, thereby destroying the other Republican accusations that Dems are all sycophants that agree with anything a Dem says.

    And in light of all that, this thread was supposed to be a pwn of Dems...because......why again?
    You two can take your facts and logic and good points and GTFO of here.

    Looks like we've got another Lil Theo Drive By, brought to you by Libertarians for Nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NED funded View Post
    California continues to be a shithole nothing is new
    And what state do you live in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    Not sure how anyone can defend this. Democrats should be ashamed of Newsom, tbh.
    So, here's how someone can defend this.

    I looked up more info on it, and it looks like the reason for the veto primarily revolves around the fact that the bill eliminates the secret ballot part of the process, allowing for a scenario where union proponents can hand a person a ballot card and ask them to sign it in their presence. The concern is that this would allow for intimidation and strongarm tactics on anyone who didn't want to.

    I can actually kinda see why that wouldn't be a good thing for a fair and legitimate voting system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynarii View Post
    So, here's how someone can defend this.

    I looked up more info on it, and it looks like the reason for the veto primarily revolves around the fact that the bill eliminates the secret ballot part of the process, allowing for a scenario where union proponents can hand a person a ballot card and ask them to sign it in their presence. The concern is that this would allow for intimidation and strongarm tactics on anyone who didn't want to.

    I can actually kinda see why that wouldn't be a good thing for a fair and legitimate voting system.
    I did not bother checking why Newson vetoed the bill. However, I knew Newsom was not going to vote against the interest of his biggest supporters. The various California unions went all out to campaign for him during the recall election. Union members were doing door-to-door campaign for him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasulis View Post
    I did not bother checking why Newson vetoed the bill. However, I knew Newsom was not going to vote against the interest of his biggest supporters. The various California unions went all out to campaign for him during the recall election. Union members were doing door-to-door campaign for him.
    He specifically fucked over the United Farm Workers who actively campaigned for him during the recall and sponsored the bill. All you have to do is see who's praising the veto to see who it benefited.
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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    He specifically fucked over the United Farm Workers who actively campaigned for him during the recall.
    Did you read the rest of the post? The part about the secret ballots?

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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    He specifically fucked over the United Farm Workers who actively campaigned for him during the recall and sponsored the bill. All you have to do is see who's praising the veto to see who it benefited.
    How did he specifically fuck over the United Farm Workers exactly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuujin View Post
    How did he specifically fuck over the United Farm Workers exactly?
    Gov. Gavin Newsom on Wednesday vetoed a bill that would have allowed farm workers to vote by mail in union elections, a change the United Farm Workers pressed for after the U.S. Supreme Court earlier this year dealt a setback to its organizing practices.

    Assembly Bill 616 would have allowed agricultural workers to select their collective bargaining representative through a ballot card election by voting at a physical location or mail or dropping off a ballot to the Agricultural Labor Relations Board office.

    The UFW, which supported Newsom over the past several months has fought the campaign to recall him from office, had been planning a 260-mile march this week from Tulare County to Sacramento to advocate for the bill.
    The march commemorates the 1968 march labor icon Cesar Chavez carried to highlight the plight of farm workers at that time.

    Instead, UFW issued a statement over Twitter saying it would redirect the march to the French Laundry restaurant in Napa County, a reference to the pricey meal Newsom had with lobbyists as he asked other Californians to avoid mixed groups and indoor settings during the coronavirus pandemic.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ca...ill/ar-AAOJbwn
    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonpartyfan View Post
    Did you read the rest of the post? The part about the secret ballots?
    I don't much care for Republican talking points when it comes to labor law. They wanted to be able to vote by mail (kind of like Newsom when it's convenient for him), which really should be up to the union and it's members, not a capitalist favoring government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    Gov. Gavin Newsom on Wednesday vetoed a bill that would have allowed farm workers to vote by mail in union elections, a change the United Farm Workers pressed for after the U.S. Supreme Court earlier this year dealt a setback to its organizing practices.

    Assembly Bill 616 would have allowed agricultural workers to select their collective bargaining representative through a ballot card election by voting at a physical location or mail or dropping off a ballot to the Agricultural Labor Relations Board office.

    The UFW, which supported Newsom over the past several months has fought the campaign to recall him from office, had been planning a 260-mile march this week from Tulare County to Sacramento to advocate for the bill.
    The march commemorates the 1968 march labor icon Cesar Chavez carried to highlight the plight of farm workers at that time.

    Instead, UFW issued a statement over Twitter saying it would redirect the march to the French Laundry restaurant in Napa County, a reference to the pricey meal Newsom had with lobbyists as he asked other Californians to avoid mixed groups and indoor settings during the coronavirus pandemic.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ca...ill/ar-AAOJbwn


    I don't much care for Republican talking points when it comes to labor law. They wanted to be able to vote by mail (kind of like Newsom when it's convenient for him), which really should be up to the union and it's members, not a capitalist favoring government.
    You don't care for the talking points? Don't you think thats sort of important when trying to debate the validity of something?

    Suddenly republicans wanted to vote a different way in a union vote, and not by secret ballot, and that doesn't at all sound weird to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonpartyfan View Post
    You don't care for the talking points? Don't you think thats sort of important when trying to debate the validity of something?

    Suddenly republicans wanted to vote a different way in a union vote, and not by secret ballot, and that doesn't at all sound weird to you?
    No, I don't think it's important to take Republican's fake concern over worker's rights seriously when they consistently take the side of the capital on every issue. Their entire goal is to make organizing as ineffective as possible and presenting unions as corrupt bureaucrats who are out to bully workers is their favorite way of doing so. I've seen this act before and it's not hard to see through it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by downnola View Post
    No, I don't think it's important to take Republican's fake concern over worker's rights seriously when they consistently take the side of the capital on every issue. Their entire goal is to make organizing as ineffective as possible and presenting unions as corrupt bureaucrats who are out to bully workers is their favorite way of doing so. I've seen this act before and it's not hard to see through it.
    My original point was that you are ignoring the secret ballot removal, which is a big deal, thats a clear intimidation tactic trying to push for that, so I don't think its as simple as "they got fucked over" so much as the bill was designed to either fail or fuck them over in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonpartyfan View Post
    My original point was that you are ignoring the secret ballot removal, which is a big deal, thats a clear intimidation tactic trying to push for that, so I don't think its as simple as "they got fucked over" so much as the bill was designed to either fail or fuck them over in the first place.
    They can't vote by mail because of the in-person "secret ballot" rule. That is why they needed the bill to pass, so they could vote by mail. That's why I'm dismissive of the argument. It's deliberately misleading propaganda.
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