MMO Champion! Do you lean left or right?

[Yehaw]

what is your affiliation?

[Tuor]

Why have things always to be bipolar... Binary... Call it whatever you wish. The world isn't blak and white, and it doesn't resume always to a yes or a no. All of this to say i am a centrist. I don't believe that all things from left/right are always good or bad. There are good and bad things in both sides and we can actually mix them.

[JohnBrown1917]

Why have things always to be bipolar... Binary... Call it whatever you wish. The world isn't blak and white, and it doesn't resume always to a yes or a no. All of this to say i am a centrist. I don't believe that all things from left/right are always good or bad. There are good and bad things in both sides and we can actually mix them.

Nah, right-wing shit is either just racist shit or shitting on the poor shit.

[Daedius]

I lean 360.

[Themius]

Why have things always to be bipolar... Binary... Call it whatever you wish. The world isn't blak and white, and it doesn't resume always to a yes or a no. All of this to say i am a centrist. I don't believe that all things from left/right are always good or bad. There are good and bad things in both sides and we can actually mix them.

Centrist are rightwing...

[Shadowferal]

Depends on the issue.
And if I'm jogging I'm swinging left and right.

[Tuor]

Nah, right-wing shit is either just racist shit or shitting on the poor shit.

i still believe that the best economic politics are right-winged. No one should spend more then they have, like the old eastern Germany did.

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Centrist are rightwing...

The current governent of my country is centrist to the left, not to the right. You clearly don't understand centrists.

EDIT:
We have a politics sub-forum, what the hell is this doing here?

[Daedius]

i still believe that the best economic politics are right-winged. No one should spend more then they have, like the old eastern Germany did.

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The current governent of my country is centrist to the left, not to the right. You clearly don't understand centrists.

EDIT:
We have a politics sub-forum, what the hell is this doing here?

You engaged with them, you have doomed yourself to an argument!

[Mihalik]

i still believe that the best economic politics are right-winged. No one should spend more then they have

Hello!

I'm here to burst your bubble.

Credit...as in spending derived from borrowing is a fundamentally right wing thing to do. It has literally been invented by right-wing capitalist economists who discovered that you can run a state off of borrowing instead of taxation....because right wingers hate taxes more than they hate the national debt.

Shocking. I know.

I can't think of a single fucking thing under the sun that right wingers have been remotely right about in human history.

Nothing. They contribute absolutely nothing of value to the human species.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Left wing Liberal Fiscally and Socially.


I guess I should expand on this here, Being Left or right Liberal or Conservative leaning or otherwise is simply about your fundamental values over all.

It has nothing to do with whether you are a good person, or a smart person etc. Hitler was Right Wing and Conservative, Stalin was Left Wing and Liberal.

None of those truths about them has anything to do with the fact in and of themselves they were monsters. Just as socialism nor Capitalism has anything to do with good or bad people now so to speak or Authoritarianism.


Personally I believe there are limits to everything, that law and order are a must, but so are civility and mercy. Any economic state can be unsustainable because anything we do as a group or individually can effect everyone else. I am alright with certain people qualified to do so running the show through elected means.

However fundamentally, I do believe our laws and RIGHTS need to be paramount as they are reflected in our constitution. Lastly and perhaps more importantly I believe progress and freedom the freedom not to be held to any tradition without merit.

Economically I see cartelism unchecked just as unsustainable and socialism. Everyone's labor and efforts should afford them the basic levels of comfort and life.

That is what makes me a Liberal and Left, not a party, not some flag or silly tattoo and sure as shit not and group



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depends on the issue lol...

That's not how that works at all.

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Depends on the issue.
And if I'm jogging I'm swinging left and right.

lol again not how that works jogging isn't a issue and yes I got it

[Deadite]

The current governent of my country is centrist to the left, not to the right. You clearly don't understand centrists.

He is American. Over there you are a Democratic or a Nazi. They don't have a middle ground.

[Tuor]

Hello!

I'm here to burst your bubble.

Credit...as in spending derived from borrowing is a fundamentally right wing thing to do. It has literally been invented by right-wing capitalist economists who discovered that you can run a state off of borrowing instead of taxation....because right wingers hate taxes more than they hate the national debt.

Shocking. I know.

I can't think of a single fucking thing under the sun that right wingers have been remotely right about in human history.

Nothing. They contribute absolutely nothing of value to the human species.

Congratulations, you got me, however that is not the main thinking in modern days, avoiding debt is perhaps the main goal of right-wing politics these day's.

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He is American. Over there you are a Democratic or a Nazi. They don't have a middle ground.

I am aware of that .

[Themius]

i still believe that the best economic politics are right-winged. No one should spend more then they have, like the old eastern Germany did.

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The current governent of my country is centrist to the left, not to the right. You clearly don't understand centrists.

EDIT:
We have a politics sub-forum, what the hell is this doing here?

On what issues specifically do you prefer "centre" to left or right? I'm curious because typically once an issue is discussed the centre position often is indeed a right-leaning one. For instance:

"Raise taxes considerably on wealthy to pay for x"

"Lower taxes to increase money people have and then raise sales taxes"

The centre position could be, raises taxes on everyone by a small percentage, and keep sales tax the same.

This in my mind wouldn't be a centrist position but one that skews right because of more systemic factors.

[Endus]

i still believe that the best economic politics are right-winged. No one should spend more then they have, like the old eastern Germany did.

Followup questions;

1> Are you arguing this at the State level? Because it's right-wingers who pioneered running governments on credit, as an alternative to taxation, knowing they could push off the consequences to future elections and deflecting the blame they deserved. This would mean you're just wrong about the facts of economic theory and its development.

2> Are you arguing this at the individual level? Then this can only make sense if you have first ensured that everyone has enough money for a decent lifestyle; that all workers earn at least a living wage and that there are support systems in place to protect those who do not work by providing them what they need. If you haven't met that standard, what you're really arguing for is an economy predicated on maintaining a certain level of human suffering, as an intended outcome, and you want to blame those in poverty for their own suffering rather than taking responsibility for the economic system you backed which created the problem in the first place. And that's just sadism.

Note that I'm also going to make fun of any arguments that take the form of "smaller government" (because everyone wants government to be as small as it can effectively be, literally everyone), or "fiscal conservativism" which is the same non-argument, or "personal responsibility" which, as in #2 above, is just seeking to blame the victims of your economy for the harms that economy perpetuates.

[Tuor]

On what issues specifically do you prefer "centre" to left or right? I'm curious because typically once an issue is discussed the centre position often is indeed a right-leaning one. For instance:

"Raise taxes considerably on wealthy to pay for x"

"Lower taxes to increase money people have and then raise sales taxes"

The centre position could be, raises taxes on everyone by a small percentage, and keep sales tax the same.

This in my mind wouldn't be a centrist position but one that skews right because of more systemic factors.

I don't care if measures to be implemented are right or left, because has i've said in the 1st post i don't believe that all right/left politics are good or bad. The center is the equilibrium of both, if you ask me an example (wich you didn't) all answer that best economic politcs are right winged and best social politics are left winged, that is oposed to the american view that shouldn't be any social politics (the last guy that tried to implement them was Obama with Obamacare). The center is that, is judging measures by its value/necessety instead of bieing foolish and judge them exclusevly by bieng right or left winged.
@Endus, already answered.

[Endus]

Congratulations, you got me, however that is not the main thinking in modern days, avoiding debt is perhaps the main goal of right-wing politics these day's.

Really?

I can't say I see a lot of right-wing movements arguing for increased taxation, particularly of the wealthy/corporations which has the greatest potential to increase revenues.

If you look at the last half-century in the USA, too, it isn't Republican governments that have reduced the debt and/or deficit; it's consistently and reliably the Democrats, every administration, with Republicans increasing both every time they gain power.

Doubtful this is actually a right-wing idea in any way at all, frankly.

In Canada, it was the PCs who implemented the GST to help pay down the national debt, back in '91, sure, but it's had broad support then and since. We've held surpluses through Liberal leaderships in the '90s and '00s. There's no real correlation between how a party leans and how large a deficit they push for.

Plus, this is without getting into the point that supply-side economics has basically failed to produce results, while Keynesian demand-side economics was perfectly functional and effective.

[Mihalik]

Congratulations, you got me, however that is not the main thinking in modern days, avoiding debt is perhaps the main goal of right-wing politics these day's.

Is it tho? I'm curious, where are you from?

Because I can list roughly 10 examples of western developed economies where "centre-right" governments consistently ballooned the national debt while handicapping their respective welfare states with cockamany privatization schemes that were all somehow meant to "reduce spending" while ending up costing substantially more and often completely nose diving the quality of the services the taxpayers receive.

Right wing governments sure as shit love to whine and concern troll about deficits, just to end up behaving irresponsibly fiscally speaking.

The question is truly about one of fiscal responsibility, but rather one of priorities. Ring wing governments usually prioritize privatizations, corporate welfare and types of spending that makes the rich richer. Left wing governments, at least in theory, ought to prioritize spending of the public and use taxation and deficit spending as a form of wealth redistribution to the lower ends of the wealth ladder.

[Tuor]

Is it tho? I'm curious, where are you from?

That hard to dig in my posts? Everyone around knows i'm portuguese.

... where "centre-right" governments consistently ballooned the national debt while handicapping their respective welfare states with cockamany privatization schemes that were all somehow meant to "reduce spending" while ending up costing substantially more and often completely nose diving the quality of the services the taxpayers receive.

Imposed politics by the loaning entities, like IMF. Not a politics choosen by population, dude, if you dig my posts around 2013-14 you'll notice that i was really upset with that.

So again, imposed politics, not choosen by local politicians.

[Themius]

I don't care if measures to be implemented are right or left, because has i've said in the 1st post i don't believe that all right/left politics are good or bad. The center is the equilibrium of both, if you ask me an example (wich you didn't) all answer that best economic politcs are right winged and best social politics are left winged, that is oposed to the american view that shouldn't be any social politics (the last guy that tried to implement them was Obama with Obamacare). The center is that, is judging measures by its value/necessety instead of bieing foolish and judge them exclusevly by bieng right or left winged.
@Endus, already answered.

This is the problem right here with centrism.

I ask you for a specific problem that exists and to explain why the centre is better. you instead go down a line of "the centre is better by virtue of being in the centre"

You don't have a specific problem to mention because you don't seem to really care about the actual policy or politics but instead about the ideology of centrism

[Tuor]

This is the problem right here with centrism.

I ask you for a specific problem that exists and to explain why the centre is better.

Where did i said that centrism was better? I said i was a centrist, didn't said it was better. Its what i believe. I strongly believe that not all from Left/Right is good or bad, there must be an equilibrium.

The OP asked if people was right/left and i answered i am in the middle, that was it.

You don't have a specific problem to mention because you don't seem to really care about the actual policy or politics but instead about the ideology of centrism

Ideology are meant for morons, i don't follow any. All i care is the best of the best, the best from right and the best from left. Offcourse i can't have both, so, there must be an equilibrium, we pay what we can afford.