Mega-Thread: Coronavirus Pandemic

[Rasulis]

Just don't get too caught up in seroprevalence. The concept of super-immunity would not require already-prevalent levels of antibodies to trigger. Any substantial level of prior immunity, even if the antibodies had waned enough to not register on a serology test, would likely be enough.

It's better to say that high levels of natural exposure + high vaccination > low levels of natural exposure + high vaccination, regardless of seroprevalence levels at the time of the vaccination.

In fact, in some ways a higher seroprevalence would hamper the creation of this super-immunity, because high levels of antibodies can lead to a person being more likely to completely resist the breakthrough case that would otherwise help trigger the super-immunity. In other words, New York (hit harder in spring 2020) might have had an even better time gaining super-immunity during the delta wave than California (hit harder in winter 2020).

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Yeah, the vaccine improves your chances of survival by some 90-95%.

Lots of speculations obviously. Still makes sense in explaining why CA is doing better with Delta than MA and VT which have higher vaccination rate and overall higher community health quartile.

[Demasiados]

Oh I see, so you're one of those "Fuck you, I got mine" people. Why didn't you just say so?

Oh sorry, i though its appropriate to counter an anectode with another anecdote.

[JohnBrown1917]

Its not a hoax but a farce.
So many false promises, lies, fabrications, redefinitions.
Not taking it based on the information from the establishment themselves.

Well, you have fun with the 730k death in your country, I suppose the Spanish flu was also a farce?

[Demasiados]

Well, you have fun with the 730k death in your country, I suppose the Spanish flu was also a farce?

lets compare
accroding to estimates here https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-res...ic-history.htm
50 mil deaths out of 500 mil infections out of 1500 mil pop

now this https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
5 mil out of 250 mil out of 8000 mill

can you please calculate how stupid of a post have you just made?

[JohnBrown1917]

lets compare
accroding to estimates here https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-res...ic-history.htm
50 mil deaths out of 500 mil infections out of 1500 mil pop

now this https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
5 mil out of 250 mil out of 8000 mill

can you please calculate how stupid of a post have you just made?

Lmao, I was talking about the US.



Don't you have some ivermectin forums to post on? Feel free to do so while I laugh at how your stupid bullshit is causing the US to still have far more deaths than any other country[not Brazil] because you all are scared of a tiny needle while you buy horse meds in bulk.

[PhaelixWW]

lets compare
accroding to estimates here https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-res...ic-history.htm
50 mil deaths out of 500 mil infections out of 1500 mil pop

now this https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
5 mil out of 250 mil out of 8000 mill

can you please calculate how stupid of a post have you just made?

You're claiming that anything less than the Spanish Flu is therefore a farce?

Bold assertion.

[Demasiados]

Lmao, I was talking about the US.



Don't you have some ivermectin forums to post on?

I didint know there are fora on nobel prize list.

[JohnBrown1917]

I didint know there are fora on nobel prize list.

If you ask your local radio host he might give you a link to the ivermectin discussion hotspots.


But don't bother with the hospitals if you get covid, they won't provide it, best bet is to stay home and buy your favorite flavor of horse meds in bulk. Even Ben Garrison understands how this works, dude loves his ivermectin.

[postman1782]

I didint know there are fora on nobel prize list.

Ivermectin got their nobel prize, for PARASITES, not for a disease that didn't fucking exist at the fucking time. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST.

[PhaelixWW]

I didint know there are fora on nobel prize list.

Wait, you think ivermectin is going to get a nobel prize for COVID?

[postman1782]

MAGAt and Trump supporting terrorist Allen West has Covid, is unvaccinated, took Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin, now is in the hospital with Covid Pneumonia.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/allen-...and-ivermectin
https://www.axios.com/allen-west-tex...9107503bb.html

With the shit they have stated, here's to hoping he finally sees the light, before he earns that Herman Cain Award.

But knowing what he has said, he is still a piece of shit.
1. Called Democrats communists, like a fucking moron.
2. Said that congressional Dems should get the hell out.
3. Saying that Nazi leaders would be very proud of the Democrats, though they are closer to his party.
4. Claiming that Debbie Wasserman Shultz isn't a lady.

And others. https://www.thedailybeast.com/13-out...nists-and-more

[Benggaul]

Yo, congrats, we have you pegged right away, just like you wanted.

I mean...their avatar is someone with pants on their head. It's right there.

(And yes, to forestall the naysayers, I know it's likely a yurei boshi but my joke is funny so fuck you.)

[Hollycakes]

I mean...their avatar is someone with pants on their head. It's right there.

(And yes, to forestall the naysayers, I know it's likely a yurei boshi but my joke is funny so fuck you.)

This is what we're dealing with.

[PACOX]

MAGAt and Trump supporting terrorist Allen West has Covid, is unvaccinated, took Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin, now is in the hospital with Covid Pneumonia.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/allen-...and-ivermectin
https://www.axios.com/allen-west-tex...9107503bb.html

With the shit they have stated, here's to hoping he finally sees the light, before he earns that Herman Cain Award.

But knowing what he has said, he is still a piece of shit.
1. Called Democrats communists, like a fucking moron.
2. Said that congressional Dems should get the hell out.
3. Saying that Nazi leaders would be very proud of the Democrats, though they are closer to his party.
4. Claiming that Debbie Wasserman Shultz isn't a lady.

And others. https://www.thedailybeast.com/13-out...nists-and-more

The old, "I'll take hydrox and ivermectin, two off-labels 'treatments', which are basically poison, versus vaccines shown to preimpteively reduce the severity of COVID using the natural RNA sequence of the virus to boost your immune system. Oh and the vaccine were developed under the president I continue to shill for even he's been out of office for almost a year."

Can't explain the irrational.

[s_bushido]

lets compare
accroding to estimates here https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-res...ic-history.htm
50 mil deaths out of 500 mil infections out of 1500 mil pop

now this https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
5 mil out of 250 mil out of 8000 mill

can you please calculate how stupid of a post have you just made?

I like how, as with most anti-vax cretins, it points to the effectiveness of modern medicine as evidence that we don't need it. Your own link says:

With no vaccine to protect against influenza infection and no antibiotics to treat secondary bacterial infections that can be associated with influenza infections, control efforts worldwide were limited to non-pharmaceutical interventions such as isolation, quarantine, good personal hygiene, use of disinfectants, and limitations of public gatherings, which were applied unevenly.

[Forogil]

lets compare
accroding to estimates here https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-res...ic-history.htm
50 mil deaths out of 500 mil infections out of 1500 mil pop

One of the problems with CDC is that they are bad at acknowledging uncertainty (and that's not just me - 538 also discussed that in a recent podcast).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu says that the death estimates range from 17-100 million with a likely range 25-50 million.

That's how science actually works; uncertainty and estimates.

now this https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
5 mil out of 250 mil out of 8000 mill

As previously stated that number is wrong.

The likely estimate of current deaths is 16 million with a range 10-18 million - https://www.economist.com/graphic-de...aths-estimates
(The number of cases is even less accurate; we don't know how many billions have been infected.)

One reason is that modern medicine (including ICU, steroids, vaccine) have managed to keep those numbers down.
However, that misses another important difference - covid-19 aint over yet (especially not if people keep ignoring the vaccine); there will likely be additional millions dead.

BTW: For the US the number of dead in covid-19 is officially 730k - and likely around 890k+/50k. According to CDC the Spanish flu killed 675k in the US.
Hmm...

can you please calculate how stupid of a post have you just made?

I give your post 8/10 on that level.

[PhaelixWW]

The likely estimate of current deaths is 16 million with a range 10-18 million - https://www.economist.com/graphic-de...aths-estimates

Well, that delta curve is brutal...



India got hit hard this spring.

[Forogil]

Well, that delta curve is brutal...



India got hit hard this spring.

Yes, but at least prime minister Modi was vaccinated before they lifted restrictions and began with large religious and political meetings in early spring.

And to add insult to injury - the next of kin of the uncounted victim could miss out on compensation - https://edition.cnn.com/2021/10/08/i...dst/index.html

[Demasiados]

I like how, as with most anti-vax cretins, it points to the effectiveness of modern medicine as evidence that we don't need it. Your own link says:

I seem to remember a period when everyone was "anti-vaxx", or are you suggesting that there was a vaccine from the get-go?
Did that period suggest any kind of urgency?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu says that the death estimates range from 17-100 million with a likely range 25-50 million.

And the wiki data also doubles the number of infections to 1 bil, therefore the death rate stays the same as in my post.

The likely estimate of current deaths is 16 million with a range 10-18 million - https://www.economist.com/graphic-de...aths-estimates
(The number of cases is even less accurate; we don't know how many billions have been infected.)

"Well the deaths might be higher (also the infections might be too)."
Oh sorry so from
5 mil deaths 250 mil infections 8000 mil pop
to
20 mil deaths 1000 mil infections 8000 mil pop

So the death rate doesnt really change, cool.

One reason is that modern medicine (including ICU, steroids, vaccine) have managed to keep those numbers down.

Dont forget the modern immune system.

However, that misses another important difference - covid-19 aint over yet (especially not if people keep ignoring the vaccine); there will likely be additional millions dead.

Well, it was a 2 year to 2 year comparison.

BTW: For the US the number of dead in covid-19 is officially 730k - and likely around 890k+/50k. According to CDC the Spanish flu killed 675k in the US.
Hmm...

Someone failed to adjust for 1920 population.
Also, why would i look at places in isolation when the pandemic is global.

[JohnBrown1917]

I seem to remember a period when everyone was "anti-vaxx", or are you suggesting that there was a vaccine from the get-go?
Did that period suggest any kind of urgency?

I'm pretty sure we never had a moment in time where everybody was wolfing down on horse meds, thats just you.