The Evolution of Creative Content in World of Warcraft

[rhorle]

Most people work off group think.

So if most people do that then why is it bad now, but not before? Group think still can grow, change, and does not have to stay the same. That doesn't mean it is a new group grabbing power.

[muffinss]

turning world of warcraft into veggietales isn't going to make the game better. its going to make it worse. i guess blizzard is some pseudo christian company now hell bent on getting rid of anything offensive, naughty, sexual, etc. everything cringe and bland.
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i also find it hilarious they agree with the taliban that women need to be covered up.. to such a degree they replace women with baskets of fruit. hooray for religion folks.

[Sinyc]

Imagine thinking public asked for this. All this is is pretense actionism while avoiding doing what was actually asked for. And they still get paid doing this shit, couldve better burned that money on some intern to reskin old models than enforce shariah in wow.

I'm not aware of anyone who thinks the public asked for this, nor of anyone that asked for this. Because they probably read the post instead of piling on to Blizzard because they changed some paintings around. It was an internal thing that the team(s) decided they wanted to do.

As a former dev, we did this all the time. Except we don't write a post about it. It just goes unnoticed for (almost) eternity.*

*There is always one or two customers that notice small things like text changes, logo/image placement changes, etc.

[Syegfryed]

Demons based on rape in folklore? That's hecking awesome! Totally not hypocrtical.



LMAO nice going Blizzard.

that would imply the current devs had that much of a grasp of fantasy or folklore in general, but is funny how they wanted to do something to clean their image but goes the opposite direction.

[Yarathir]

that would imply the current devs had that much of a grasp of fantasy or folklore in general, but is funny how they wanted to do something to clean their image but goes the opposite direction.

They tend to have more of a grasp on twitter hashtags and neopronouns.

Oh and occasionally MCU storylines and how to rip them off wholesale.

[Th3Scourge]

Just wondering if the radical marxists currently occupying the wow dev team are going to remove any and all HP Lovecraft derived characters and stories since he, at one point in his life, was a white supremacist?

I mean that's far worse than a female consort or a spicy painting

[uuuhname]

It's also a term that didn't appear in this thread until you brought it up. And the person who brought sex positivity up was Elegiac, arguing for the same position as you (while engaging in no true wokesman fallacious nonsense). You're tilting at windmills. Especially since the response to Elegiac's point was explicitly that the people in question are not sex-positive and it was already made before you wrote this post. Which makes your later posts where you accused @Video Games and multiple other posters of posting in bad faith rather... interesting.

Especially this one:

first of all: NONE of you, and I do mean none of you, have at any point attempted to make the argument that the point Elegiac and I are making is wrong. only that it's an argument that upsets you. so, maybe do that first? I mean I'm not the one who set myself up for failure by screeching about the "sjw's" and "the left" ruining society, being a bunch of stuck up puritans in the context of the art team making changes to a video game... so good luck with that.

secondly, that second post you quoted was a response to Video Games saying this:

Right? He's a socialist so now a good argument against socialism is it's not maduros fault venezuelas economy collapsed, its the socialist system maaaan

accusing me of defending Maduro and the Venezuelan economy, OUT OF NOWHERE, just out of the fucking blue. nothing to do with the topic at hand, accusing me of things I've never said on top of it all. what is that called again? where you construct a position someone doesn't have to attack that person? I'm sure you find it interesting when you cherry pick what one person is saying and ignore the other half of the conversation. real honest of you...

[Inoculate]

Just wondering if the radical marxists currently occupying the wow dev team are going to remove any and all HP Lovecraft derived characters and stories since he, at one point in his life, was a white supremacist?

I mean that's far worse than a female consort or a spicy painting

It's okay though they're using it back!

Seriously though, it's obvious this game is no longer wanting me as their target audience and that's okay. I'll find something else to play and whatever demographic they are shooting for can enjoy the game.

I suggest others do the same because crying and stomping your feet isn't going to change this new WoW they want and if you're unhappy with it, let go and find something that brings you happiness. Don't let sunk cost fallacy win.

[mbit]

I'm not aware of anyone who thinks the public asked for this, nor of anyone that asked for this. Because they probably read the post instead of piling on to Blizzard because they changed some paintings around. It was an internal thing that the team(s) decided they wanted to do.

As a former dev, we did this all the time. Except we don't write a post about it. It just goes unnoticed for (almost) eternity.*

*There is always one or two customers that notice small things like text changes, logo/image placement changes, etc.

And yet you wrote previously there was pressure to change it. Pressure can only come from public. There is zero need to follow demands of lower level employees.

[ZZhan]

they mean the "INVOLUTION" of creative content in wow, cuz im feeling going back to the mezosoic looking at the changes blizz are implementing in the game.

[Syegfryed]

They tend to have more of a grasp on twitter hashtags and neopronouns.

Oh and occasionally MCU storylines and how to rip them off wholesale.

it is true that they have those things, and, a superficial level of understanding in fantasy/folklore, they probably focus more on getting something is high in media atm.

I bet, multiverse is their next goal, as is something doing a lot of success recently.

Just wondering if the radical marxists currently occupying the wow dev team are going to remove any and all HP Lovecraft derived characters and stories since he, at one point in his life, was a white supremacist?

I mean that's far worse than a female consort or a spicy painting

that is something rly funny isn't? Lovecraft was a racist, white supremacist guy, but no one stop using his work, his concepts, its all hypocrisy as it is finest.

[Kazlehoff]

Question, where has this happened?

Well, for the past mouth, Blizzard has been going through every aspect of wow and removing anything that hints at sexuality. The most cut and dry example was replacing one of the paintings of a woman with a bowl of fruit.

It says essentially that women in wow are not allowed to have sexuality. But we're talking about an RPG. The whole idea of an RPG is building a believable world.

This is also not an ESRB ratings problem, these assets already got passed with a T rating.
Blizzard is simply overcompensating like they always do to an issue. X class is overpowered? TO THE GROUND WITH THEE.Except this time, Blizzard has been accused of sexual misconduct in their offices. They're overreaction is to clean up all aspects of their company including the game that doesn't need it.

[Artelia]

Woke is no go for me. Ten years of good or bad decision in story or mechanics ..noting ever let me leave this game. This woke bullshit finally freed me. No more wow for me.

[Hellfury]

Well, for the past mouth, Blizzard has been going through every aspect of wow and removing anything that hints at sexuality. The most cut and dry example was replacing one of the paintings of a woman with a bowl of fruit.

It says essentially that women in wow are not allowed to have sexuality. But we're talking about an RPG. The whole idea of an RPG is building a believable world.

This is also not an ESRB ratings problem, these assets already got passed with a T rating.
Blizzard is simply overcompensating like they always do to an issue. X class is overpowered? TO THE GROUND WITH THEE.Except this time, Blizzard has been accused of sexual misconduct in their offices. They're overreaction is to clean up all aspects of their company including the game that doesn't need it.

Couldn't said it better myself.

I dont care they are removing paints of girls and replacing them with bowls of fruit, its the timing that's suspicious and bending the knee to the woke BS and echo-chamber.

I havent played and wont anymore so my opinion is just that.

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so you are proposing they break the law in those countries?o.O

They shouldn't be having business with countries with such medieval laws to begin with, but yeh money talks

[Kazlehoff]

Couldn't said it better myself.

I dont care they are removing paints of girls and replacing them with bowls of fruit, its the timing that's suspicious and bending the knee to the woke BS and echo-chamber.

I havent played and wont anymore so my opinion is just that.

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They shouldn't be having business with countries with such medieval laws to begin with, but yeh money talks

A couple points here:

1: "Woke BS and Echo-Chamber"

I dont think that this is a political left/right issue. for the record, i am a Canadian, Male, Indigenous, Left leaning anarchist. Given that we have to work in the system that exists, i vote NDP, but i still think the best solution to goverments is "burn it to the frickin ground and start over".

that out of the way, This isnt an issue of blizzard cow-tow-ing to anyone. the issue here is employees in positions of power were treating employees in a manner that was inappropriate. it doesnt matter if you are a lefty or righty, sexual misconduct is bad.
their response is to do the same thing they have literally always done when fixing a problem. nuke it from orbit. they dont take a middle ground. to them, "It's the only way to be sure".

So they fire the staff that got caught (and i would be willing to wager ONLY the staff that got caught) and then begin playing damage control. suddenly theres a bunch of changes that the playerbase has been requesting for quite a while that was "too difficult". bunch of new appearances. changes to systems that were not popular (especially time-gating systems). then they start purging anything remotly similar to the issue to begin with. So Whitemane gets a new dress. a lady becomes a bowl of fruit. Tauren, Pandaren, and Dwarves (so far) become less flirty and funny. achievements get renamed.

It all just gives the impression of window-dressing to distract the userbase. "look at how much were doing to correct this everyone!"

but players wanted to see changes to the office. changes to the game were not necessessary. and the timegate removals and appearance changes just show that clearly blizzard could have done this at any time, they chose not to, because they did not care that these things bothered the users. as long as they did not bother the users enough to affect the bottom line.

2: countries with mideval laws:
before a game can be sold in any country, it needs to pass that countries version of the ESRB. for example, PEGI in europe. the assets that were in game already met all standards to be sold there. and in cases where BIG changes were needed (read: china) they released a client for that region that met those expectations. leading back to my origional point. this is all window-dressing.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Well, for the past mouth, Blizzard has been going through every aspect of wow and removing anything that hints at sexuality. The most cut and dry example was replacing one of the paintings of a woman with a bowl of fruit.

It says essentially that women in wow are not allowed to have sexuality. But we're talking about an RPG. The whole idea of an RPG is building a believable world.

This is also not an ESRB ratings problem, these assets already got passed with a T rating.
Blizzard is simply overcompensating like they always do to an issue. X class is overpowered? TO THE GROUND WITH THEE.Except this time, Blizzard has been accused of sexual misconduct in their offices. They're overreaction is to clean up all aspects of their company including the game that doesn't need it.

Yeah, I'm still not seeing how this is particularly about removing female sexuality agency. Does a painted woman have any agency? No, because that's literally a painting. A representation of a woman that someone made to leer at. That's the oposite of agency.

Like sure, I roll my eyes at Blizzard's panicked attempts to make their game squeaky clean, but I think you're entirely misunderstanding the concept of sexual agency. Characters themselves have dubious agency, because they do whatever the writer tells them, but a painting in game?... That's not agency by any shape or form.

[Dacia Ultan]

Yeah, I'm still not seeing how this is particularly about removing female sexuality agency. Does a painted woman have any agency? No, because that's literally a painting. A representation of a woman that someone made to leer at. That's the oposite of agency.

Like sure, I roll my eyes at Blizzard's panicked attempts to make their game squeaky clean, but I think you're entirely misunderstanding the concept of sexual agency. Characters themselves have dubious agency, because they do whatever the writer tells them, but a painting in game?... That's not agency by any shape or form.

Yeah...whenever someone plays the "sexual agency" card over fictional fanservice, their position starts to reek of desperation. Ditto misuse of the Black Vernacular term "woke," which seems to have been redefined as "some straw-lefty caricature which has nothing to do with the original meaning."

[Tazr]

thousands of players are leaving in droves for final fantasy, and this is what the dev team for wow focuses on. Meaningless shit that will change litteraly nothing

Meanwhile, just got the "Sarge" mount. Despite being a slight variation on Squeakers, a flying mount, it's a ground only mount. Considering they can control where we fly, ALL mounts should be able to be used for flight at this point.