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    Quote Originally Posted by Ihavewaffles View Post
    You're aware that there might be a difference between what diplomats say and what is actual reality? Fact is that Taiwan is independent since the 40s and has never been part of communist china.


    Crying about the amry being to feminine and praising authoritarian armies for their martial/machismo image is a very boomer thing to do (or GOP senator/congressman)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pony Soldier View Post
    Probably mistake the Taiwanese people for the Chinese or something.
    Huh? You think Biden is going to be there himself shooting away at people and getting the wrong ones?

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    can we not....?

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    Quote Originally Posted by uuuhname View Post
    can we not....?
    We aren't, and won't. Taiwan is all bluster, it's better as a propaganda tool to shout about and complain about and posture around than it is to actually like...do anything over.

    It's long been a piece on the chessboard that China and the US play, and it remains more useful as that political prop for both nations than it's worth actually fighting over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    We aren't, and won't. Taiwan is all bluster, it's better as a propaganda tool to shout about and complain about and posture around than it is to actually like...do anything over.

    It's long been a piece on the chessboard that China and the US play, and it remains more useful as that political prop for both nations than it's worth actually fighting over.
    I sincerely hope it stays that way lol. uhg this new round of red scare cold war posturing is giving me PTSD flashbacks from the early 00's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    When asked in a town hall meeting if the US would defend Taiwan if China attacked, Biden said that they would as they had a commitment to do that.
    Yeah and what you'd expect him to say instead? Lying is what a politician does for a living

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    Quote Originally Posted by s_bushido View Post
    I have to chuckle at the argument from "I like their military propaganda better than ours."

    Going to go out on a limb and assume that having two moms doesn't negatively impact your ability to march in formation, load artillery, or squeeze a trigger.
    I also love how everyone doesn't get the point of these 'different' ads. The military doesn't have a problem getting dudebros that want to fight that lava monster to sign up. They need more people with tech and administrative skills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pony Soldier View Post
    Biden also said he would never mandate masks and vaccines. Also seeing how he completely fucked up the Afghanistan withdrawal I can only imagine what his senile ass is going to do in Taiwan. Probably mistake the Taiwanese people for the Chinese or something.
    No, he didn't. But given your avatar and sig, reality doesn't seem to affect your beliefs at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    Wow, he truly is a snake.

    Imagine the audacity of a President changing policy when confronted by evidence that the current policy isn't working.
    Fucking Trumpsters will just never join the realm of reality - critical thinking is beyond their grasp, now and forever. It's nice to see them vent, however, just for the laughs.

    It's been so nice to have an adult back in the White House.

    This statement on Taiwan is just what a President should say with that question. We will honor our obligations, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uuuhname View Post
    I sincerely hope it stays that way lol. uhg this new round of red scare cold war posturing is giving me PTSD flashbacks from the early 00's.
    You and me both. (My own aborted attempt at a military career happened just shortly before 9/11. While that's certainly not what I was thinking at the time: in retrospect, I dodged a bullet.)

    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Fucking Trumpsters will just never join the realm of reality - critical thinking is beyond their grasp, now and forever. It's nice to see them vent, however, just for the laughs.
    These are people who—just to name one point—believe that economic policies based on the Virginia school actually work if your goal is anything other than a sort of high-tech feudalism. (And they red-bait everything else because even knowing what communism/socialism is would feel too much like sympathizing with it to them; but that's its own can of worms.)

    They're also deeply invested in the notion that if they hold a given position, their designated enemies must be an exact inversion on steroids. If they have no concept of loyalty to the nation that's not conflated with party loyalty: the opposition must value "party over country." If they hitch their star to a specific candidate, view it as a catastrophe in and of itself if that candidate loses an election, and sling mud at the winner in a desperate attempt to make something stick: any upset over their candidate winning is just "sore loser" behavior, and any criticism of their candidate is "derangement syndrome." And so on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ihavewaffles View Post

    Like, soft millenials will go die by the millions for an island most of them couldn't find on a map if their lives depended on it.
    Ah yes. Those soft Millenials from all the NATO countries who have served in wars by the millions from Central Africa to South Western Asia for 20 years.

    On the other hand your brilliant insights give away where you spent the last 20 years. Watching Info Wars and Incel tube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s_bushido View Post
    I have to chuckle at the argument from "I like their military propaganda better than ours."
    Yep. It's got some real "say you're an incel without saying you're an incel" vibes.
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    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post

    This statement on Taiwan is just what a President should say with that question. We will honor our obligations, etc.
    "honor" isn't really a word Trumpsters understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mihalik View Post
    Ah yes. Those soft Millenials from all the NATO countries who have served in wars by the millions from Central Africa to South Western Asia for 20 years.

    On the other hand your brilliant insights give away where you spent the last 20 years. Watching Info Wars and Incel tube.
    I mean, just look at who has been serving in Iraq and Afghanistan until we finally pulled out. Early days had a lot more Gen Xers, but it's been Millennials filling out the ranks for a well over a decade.

    But hey, it's about what I expect from our "pro-military" conservative folks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    I mean, just look at who has been serving in Iraq and Afghanistan until we finally pulled out. Early days had a lot more Gen Xers, but it's been Millennials filling out the ranks for a well over a decade.

    But hey, it's about what I expect from our "pro-military" conservative folks.
    Considering we count millenials as those born from 84 on (old millennial here) millennials had made up the bulk of veterans since Iraq.

    And while the Iraq and Afghanistan wars have been the highest profile meat grinders there's been American Rangers, French Legionnaires, Portuguese Paratroopers to Polish kids dying everywhere from Nigeria and Mali to Syria and Libya at the same time.

    Afghanistan alone produced just shy of a million US veterans. I have no idea what the total number would amount to when you add in all the NATO and Coalition troops, just for Afghanistan.

    It gets really hard to track down the numbers.
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    aah yes... a pandemic ..civil problems involving police brutality and a bunch phobics and -cisms, now potentially WW3? We dont need this shit right now.. please no...
    "You know you that bitch when you cause all this conversation."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ihavewaffles View Post
    Bullshit, taiwan ain't worth ww3

    US will abandon them like with the kurds in syria, or the afghans. US is just in this to sell arms to taiwan n region n have excuse for large mil expenditure, actually fighting for taiwan that legally is province of Beijing, is another matter.

    Like, soft millenials will go die by the millions for an island most of them couldn't find on a map if their lives depended on it..
    Lets waltz into a meatgrinder just to stick it to Xi that he shouldn't have what's legally his...
    Millennials have been fighting the bulk of American conflicts for almost a decade. Do you think they're 15 years old or something? Millenials are entering their 30s if not their mid-30s right now. Time to update the talking points, gramps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jastall View Post
    Millennials have been fighting the bulk of American conflicts for almost a decade. Do you think they're 15 years old or something? Millenials are entering their 30s if not their mid-30s right now. Time to update the talking points, gramps.
    *cough* 40's.... all these 20 year old's they're talking about are Zoomers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uuuhname View Post
    *cough* 40's.... all these 20 year old's they're talking about are Zoomers.
    I thought Millennials started to be born around '85 or something?

    At any rate, that only reinforces the argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jastall View Post
    I thought Millennials started to be born around '85 or something?

    At any rate, that only reinforces the argument.
    ah well certainly closer to 40 than 30 at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jastall View Post
    I thought Millennials started to be born around '85 or something?
    What I've usually heard is 1980. At any rate: using it as shorthand for "kids these days" and/or some oversensitivity caricature is misplaced.

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