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    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    "Innocent until proven guilty", you know?

    Or do you subscribe to this mob mentality that states "if you're accused of anything, it means you're guilty, regardless of evidence"?
    you forgot the golden rule of internet culture, in the court of public opinion everyone is guilty regardless of whether they are proven innocent or not, and even if they are innocent the utter decimation of a persons image thanks to this public court of opinion means they likely will never work again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogoth View Post
    everyone outside the American bubble is just laughing at the absolute state of the place.
    Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, maybe New Zealand can't really think of anywhere else better to live overall than America. Fucking great here, don't let the internet be your only reference point
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    Quote Originally Posted by jkq View Post
    just because he is Accused Of Sexual Harassment does not mean he is a sex offender

    so shut up ?
    I guess Jeffery Epstien also wasnt a kiddy toucher cos he died before he could be found guilty.

    use stupid logic, win stupid prizes

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    Blizzard has failed in every-single-step when it comes to PR damage control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bignasty View Post
    I guess Jeffery Epstien also wasnt a kiddy toucher cos he died before he could be found guilty.

    use stupid logic, win stupid prizes
    well i guess you also like to harass woman huh ? dont try to defend yourself and tell me you dont.

    i accused you of something so by your own stupid logic you are now guilty

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drusin View Post
    Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, maybe New Zealand can't really think of anywhere else better to live overall than America. Fucking great here, don't let the internet be your only reference point
    i'm not sure if you're agreeing with me or trying to troll me, i'm fully aware of how big of a shithole the USA is, and how there's dozens of better places in the world to live by comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ielenia View Post
    "Innocent until proven guilty", you know?

    Or do you subscribe to this mob mentality that states "if you're accused of anything, it means you're guilty, regardless of evidence"?
    speaking there is photographic evidence and multiple peoples stories which all match up
    i subscribe to innocent till proven guilty, and i hate mob mentality
    but seriously, he is proven guilty...
    i love how you even say "regardless of evidence"
    since ya know... there is TONS of evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bignasty View Post
    I guess Jeffery Epstien also wasnt a kiddy toucher cos he died before he could be found guilty.

    use stupid logic, win stupid prizes
    yeah pretty much this, while instantly calling people guilty is wrong, sometimes we dont need to wait till a court hearing to know somethings up...
    cause yeah by the logic of "they are innocent till a court of law says guilty!"
    means that jeffery Epstein is innocent, and so is OJ simpson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkq View Post
    well i guess you also like to harass woman huh ? dont try to defend yourself and tell me you dont.

    i accused you of something so by your own stupid logic you are now guilty
    there is a difference between just calling someone a sexual abuser, and having a person who is seen in multiple pictures, screenshots, and confirmed stories.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bignasty View Post
    I guess Jeffery Epstien also wasnt a kiddy toucher cos he died before he could be found guilty.

    use stupid logic, win stupid prizes
    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    speaking there is photographic evidence and multiple peoples stories which all match up
    i subscribe to innocent till proven guilty, and i hate mob mentality
    but seriously, he is proven guilty...
    i love how you even say "regardless of evidence"
    since ya know... there is TONS of evidence.

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    yeah pretty much this, while instantly calling people guilty is wrong, sometimes we dont need to wait till a court hearing to know somethings up...
    cause yeah by the logic of "they are innocent till a court of law says guilty!"
    means that jeffery Epstein is innocent, and so is OJ simpson.

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    there is a difference between just calling someone a sexual abuser, and having a person who is seen in multiple pictures, screenshots, and confirmed stories.
    You guys are beyond help. So deluded its not even funny. Good luck in the future.

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    I can't even imagine why they would do this with the backlash they're getting. Do they not realize what all the names are going to be?

    Who is making these decisions????

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogoth View Post
    i didn't realise that 'having a go', 'taking the micky', 'trolling' was a mutually exclusive concept to 'understanding the problem' i wasn't aware that people lacked the mental cognisance to fully understand and appreciate the underlying issues at hand while also being mentally capable of compartmentalising said issues and joking around with the fucktards causing said issues by shoving the issues in their face, once again i'm assuming this is an American problem because most people outside of the USA are capable (on the whole) of understanding things and being able to separate them from other things, yet it seems that Americans lack this fundamental skill in life due in part to the utter shitshow the governmental system has put you in, as well as your 'media' being a running joke keeping the populace docile and in their cages so as to not upset the 'natural order', while everyone outside the American bubble is just laughing at the absolute state of the place.
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    i have no association/connection with the name McCree to anything other then a character i play and the voice of Matt Mercer. Seeing the switch to Cole Cassidy feels off but i dont have any better suggestion, and clearly standing still isnt an option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soeroah View Post
    Don't be ridiculous. McCree is a name. If you like the name, that's fine. If you want to name your characters McCree, sure, go ahead.

    But the name McCree showing up in Blizzard properties is an explicit reference to a real person called McCree who was part of a toxic work culture and was fired for it. Blizzard's well in their rights to remove references to such people from their IPs.

    It doesn't make you an asshole for preferring the name or wanting to name your own characters McCree, it only makes you an asshole if you argue that they shouldn't be changing the name at all because you don't care as much as the people who worked with the guy.
    Don't be ridiculous. Of course they have a right to change the name to whatever they want. It's their character. George Lucas had a right to add CGI and new music to the old Star Wars movies. Doesn't mean I don't have an attachment to the old movies or the old name in Overwatch.

    Stop white-knighting for Blizzard. If I just didn't care about changing the name, why would I comment, idiot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varitok View Post
    I can't even imagine why they would do this with the backlash they're getting. Do they not realize what all the names are going to be?

    Who is making these decisions????
    Yeah, I'm seriously wondering about this too. This just looks like a massive invitation to trolls, cause that is the only type of people I can think of that would bother taking advantage of the free name change for their battletag.

    It seems like Blizzard is deliberately trying to bait trolls with this.
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    They also won't be naming any more characters after Blizzard employees, on the off chance they have to fire more later lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Linkedblade View Post
    McCree wasn't accused of sexual harassment.
    It's never been publicly revealed why he and Blizzard parted ways, or on what terms (fat buyout probably). The 'he was fired for sexual harassment' meme is based on the assumption of guilt by association. The only official word from Blizzard is that he no longer works for them, and that this change falls in line with their newly adopted naming policy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Femininity View Post
    It's never been publicly revealed why he and Blizzard parted ways, or on what terms (fat buyout probably). The 'he was fired for sexual harassment' meme is based on the assumption of guilt by association. The only official word from Blizzard is that he no longer works for them, and that this change falls in line with their newly adopted naming policy.
    It wasn't publicly announced why he left, that's true, but there's more than just speculation - there's plenty of photographs of him hanging out with the clique, in the Cosby Room; and footage of him not having the, uh, best attitude towards female characters in games. That's not conclusive proof, of course - but this isn't a court of law. Blizzard knows, and they make their choices based on that. They don't have to tell us.

    If this change (and others) upset you enough to stop giving them money, that's what you should do. It's the only language they'll understand.

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    I wonder if Blizzard knows how dangerous Googling Cole Cassidy is ? ... because Cassidy Cole is a female porn actress.

    This name doesn't seem well thought out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biomega View Post
    It wasn't publicly announced why he left, that's true, but there's more than just speculation - there's plenty of photographs of him hanging out with the clique, in the Cosby Room; and footage of him not having the, uh, best attitude towards female characters in games. That's not conclusive proof, of course - but this isn't a court of law. Blizzard knows, and they make their choices based on that. They don't have to tell us.

    If this change (and others) upset you enough to stop giving them money, that's what you should do. It's the only language they'll understand.
    I stopped giving them money long ago. The lawsuit and surrounding fallout reinforced that decision. However, there's little to be gained from perpetuating the notion that someone may be an actual harasser or abuser when there's little indication that they ever were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kudos View Post
    I wonder if Blizzard knows how dangerous Googling Cole Cassidy is ? ... because Cassidy Cole is a female porn actress.

    This name doesn't seem well thought out.
    Well that's a spicy turn of events.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    speaking there is photographic evidence and multiple peoples stories which all match up
    i subscribe to innocent till proven guilty, and i hate mob mentality
    but seriously, he is proven guilty...
    i love how you even say "regardless of evidence"
    since ya know... there is TONS of evidence
    I've been wondering about this for a while but haven't been able to find anything. Can you please link to some of this evidence or some of these accounts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nagawithlegs View Post
    Kind of weird you guys are publicly promoting sex offenders...
    What was McCree even accused of? I don't remember seeing his name in the lawsuit or any other accusations against him like there were with Afrasiabi. I think it's VERY unfair to jump to conclusions and lump McCree in with the people who were doing inappropriate things when nothing has come out about him personally.

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