McCree Renamed to Cole Cassidy

[Varodoc]

Pretty much only the actual victims and some shills care.

Blizzard certainly doesn't care, this is just a quick attempt at getting some easy points with the Twitter crowd.

[Thelyron]

Cancel culture isn't a real thing.

What a disgusting lie.

[Mic_128]

lol so did everyone else

according to the lawsuit everyone knew about what was going on, including all of the women that are coming out about it now

all of the supervisors were supposed to know about it and have allegedly encouraged it

And that's who needs to go. Especially the woman who tried to blow it all off right when it came out. Can't believe she's still running HR.

including all of the women

That's not how it works.

You mean like pretty much every other male and female employee working at Blizzard?

No, just those in a position of power who overlooked, ignored and made excuses for their behaviour.

Do you have any evidence that the cosby suite was actually used in any way inappropriately during his association with the cosby suite?
The fact that he was fired when it all came to light seems to suggest he did.
Do you know whether he did or did not look into complaints he has received?
Wether he looked into them or not, nothing happened to those doing it.
Do you know the suite's purpose to him? Does the name matter for that room's purpose?
Not sure what you're getting at there.
Did anyone else stop the toxic "frat boy" culture that he and his friends developed?
Nope, and those higher ups who were participating, or were aware of it going on and did nothing should all be booted too.
They should all have been fired and erased from the company's records, men and women employees alike that knew about this culture ensuing and not doing anything about it, right?
That's not how that works.
Can you refute Greg Street's comment on the group chat photo? https://twitter.com/Ghostcrawler/sta...11905886531585
I don't need to, he said it himself in the tweet itself - the chat is gross and I completely understand how it looks. I should have said something.
Or the follow up tweet he made - It wasn’t intended to be an excuse. The chat is gross and is inexcusable. It sucks and I am sorry that I was in it at all. Even though I barely said anything, I was still in there, which is bad.


You're great at retrospectively preaching about what people should've done without any information, insight nor evidence. I am also sure you're a highly moral person that upholds the highest of values at all times. Good for you.
I mean, you don't have to be a saint to suggest that higher ups shouldn't be having drunken sex parties or going on "cubical crawls" to harass your female employees, or be a higher up who is aware of this behaviour and ignores it.

[Mic_128]

The entire lawsuit talks about how EVERYONE knew about it, and supervisors encouraged it.

So if everyone knew, that means women knew about it, so they are just as guilty as men like Jesse McCree

And what, they were going to fire their superior? They didn't have the responsibility.

[l33t]

Hurray for more cancel culture. Fucking blizzard hyppocrites.

[Barendon]

The fact that he was fired when it all came to light seems to suggest he did.

He was fired after the kotaku article was released. Meaning he could've been fired just for being associated with it. You don't have proof to suggest otherwise.

Wether he looked into them or not, nothing happened to those doing it.

I didn't know Jesse McCree was responsible for a thing HR should be dealing with.

Not sure what you're getting at there.

Let's say this suite was a place for co-workers to have parties inbetween blizzcon even days. The kotaku article even suggests this is exactly what it was. Then, the purpose of that suite was parties, not for orgies or sex parties - which you have no proof ever occured or that anyone associated with the suite have performed. In that case, I don't see how the name is relevant.

That's not how that works.

Clearly, but you put on so much weight on one person's behavior in the company. Like, why didn't he do that or that. Well, so many others didn't do anything, not just higher ups. Most likely everyone knew about the suite. So, the guilt is shared with all of them for not doing anything, by your logic.

I don't need to, he said it himself in the tweet itself - the chat is gross and I completely understand how it looks. I should have said something.
Or the follow up tweet he made - It wasn’t intended to be an excuse. The chat is gross and is inexcusable. It sucks and I am sorry that I was in it at all. Even though I barely said anything, I was still in there, which is bad.

Yeah, the gross part is subjective. That's how friends talk to each other in informal chats and gatherings, very surprising and very shocking I know. I presented the ghostcrawler tweet to emphasize it wasn't about chicks dave kosak brought to have sex with..

I mean, you don't have to be a saint to suggest that higher ups shouldn't be having drunken sex parties or going on "cubical crawls" to harass your female employees, or be a higher up who is aware of this behaviour and ignores it.

You have zero evidence about sex parties going on in the suite, and if they did occur, who was involved and who actually knew of such sex parties occuring. The cubical crawls has nothing to do with the cosby suite, and don't lead directly to Jesse McCree who this whole thread is about. Also, it is not clear which of the inappropriate company activities actually occured on blizzard and which on activision. Blizzard never gave a full statements on their side of things, and are likely waiting to respond to the law suit in court.

[uuuhname]

quick google reveals that it's also a name of some gay porn star although in that case Cole is the surname

okay, I mean any name can be a porn name in this day and age.

[Hctaz]

So you know the truth then? Your previous post makes it sound like you know better than everyone else here how things got named what they did.

I'm also not sure why you think that it matters. What he did happened regardless of who decided to name these characters, items, etc.

No, I don't know the truth behind who named what.

It matters because the person I'm replying to is making it seem like the fact that Alex and McCree had things named in game after them correlates to the fact that they were garbage, and that their trash personalities should have been obvious from that fact alone.
It doesn't make sense to correlate those two things necessarily without knowing who did name what. It has been commonly known that Blizzard developers will name things after other Blizzard developers as a "joke" or a jab. It's also entirely possible that McCree and Afrasiabi named things in game after themselves as part of a power trip.

My original point is that you shouldn't equate in game things being named after a person to how shitty they are as a human being. They're shitty people because they did shitty things, not because they have ingame things named after themselves. If you went based on that logic alone, you'd have to lump in a TON of other employees like Jeff Kaplan, David Brevik, Kevin Jordan, and Pat Nagle (among others) since they have multiple instances of things named after them presented in their games.

[qwerty123456]

No, just those in a position of power who overlooked, ignored and made excuses for their behaviour.

And do you know for a fact that Alex (and/or any others that were doing shit) was going up to Jesse's underling Lisa and telling her to pop one of her big titties in his mouth cause he needed milk for the office brownies or what ever the fuck that was going on? Or that even if it did happen when Jesse wasn't around that Lisa would have went and told him instead of HR?

And it doesn't matter if someone was in a position of power or not. You see something you say something.

[Darkeon]

And it doesn't matter if someone was in a position of power or not. You see something you say something.

This is pretty much my stance on the subject.

If the environment was as bad as some of the team laid it out to be, with such a widespread frathouse attitude, everyone that knew about it and said nothing is a pos. No matter of how many tweets each of them has sent since stating they side with the victims and/or on how these selected creeps were pure scum.

[Villager720]

The real McCree did shitty things - how anyone is upset that they don’t want to have stuffed named after him is comical.
The only thing possibly worth being agitated over is that Cole Cassidy isn’t a particularly good name.

[Cthulhu fhtagn]

A lot of people in the thread defending McCree (the dev) more than he himself. He's basically just pulled an Afrasiabi and vanished from the face of the earth not saying a thing. If he didnt do anything wrong, it would be really shitty, but even then the "no more naming things after devs" policy makes sense and hence does the change.

On the other hand if he was a shitbag, imagine the people that he did harass (or enabled other people to) having to keep working on the game that has a character named after him. Even if the name does not bother you personally you surely have some sympathy for the victims right?

Im sure there's gonna be some people after 200 years calling him McCree just because its what their fathers' fathers' called him and its part of their heritage, even though he was only called that for 5 years.

[Kralljin]

A lot of people in the thread defending McCree (the dev) more than he himself. He's basically just pulled an Afrasiabi and vanished from the face of the earth not saying a thing.

I'm going to take a wild guess and say that Blizzard essentially told them to lay low unless they want to get dragged over coals by Blizzard.

If any of those people made a public statement, it's just going to further fan the flames and Blizzard wants them die down ASAP.

[Barendon]

A lot of people in the thread defending McCree (the dev) more than he himself. He's basically just pulled an Afrasiabi and vanished from the face of the earth not saying a thing. If he didnt do anything wrong, it would be really shitty, but even then the "no more naming things after devs" policy makes sense and hence does the change.

On the other hand if he was a shitbag, imagine the people that he did harass (or enabled other people to) having to keep working on the game that has a character named after him. Even if the name does not bother you personally you surely have some sympathy for the victims right?

Im sure there's gonna be some people after 200 years calling him McCree just because its what their fathers' fathers' called him and its part of their heritage, even though he was only called that for 5 years.

Silence is admission? and targeting McCree, claiming he did stuff nobody is even offically claiming just as part of a mob mentality cancel culture is dangerous not just for McCree but for everyone - I am "protecting" him because of the absurdity of people blaming him for stuff people don't have any clue what they're talking about. Like you, you assume he enabled people or that he himself harassed employees, when NO ONE ever claimed he did. He was never accused of anything publicly, so what are you basing your argument off? "If he was a shitbag?". What if you're a shitbag?

People keep doing this not only in this case, but for anything these days. Immediatley rushing to conclusions without any proof just because of virtue signaling or to think they're on moral high grounds. This is insane to say the absolute least. And sanity is worth protecting.

[Villager720]

Silence is admission? and targeting McCree, claiming he did stuff nobody is even offically claiming just as part of a mob mentality cancel culture is dangerous not just for McCree but for everyone - I am "protecting" him because of the absurdity of people blaming him for stuff people don't have any clue what they're talking about. Like you, you assume he enabled people or that he himself harassed employees, when NO ONE ever claimed he did. He was never accused of anything publicly, so what are you basing your argument off? "If he was a shitbag?". What if you're a shitbag?

People keep doing this not only in this case, but for anything these days. Immediatley rushing to conclusions without any proof just because of virtue signaling or to think they're on moral high grounds. This is insane to say the absolute least. And sanity is worth protecting.

You think it’s more likely he’s innocent and Blizzard would risk a wrongful termination lawsuit instead of him playing a role in the abuse allegations?
That’s the logic here?
They just went through the ledger of top devs and decided to fire them willynilly to please “the Twitter mob”? And he’s staying silent because his former employer will… punish him?

Sure, that’s the more likely scenario.

[Barendon]

You think it’s more likely he’s innocent and Blizzard would risk a wrongful termination lawsuit than he was part of the abuse allegations? That’s the logic here?
They just went through the ledger of top devs and decided to fire them willynilly to please “the Twitter mob”? And he’s staying silent because his former employer will… punish him?

Sure, that’s the more likely scenario.

Just look up what blizzard did with Quinton Flynn. They don't care about what happened, they care about negative associations to their brand. also how do you know he was fired for allegations? In my honest opinion they fired him because of the kotaku article.

[shoc]

Why are people surprised when a publicly traded company acts like one.

[Villager720]

Just look up what blizzard did with Quinton Flynn. They don't care about what happened, they care about negative associations to their brand. also how do you know he was fired for allegations? In my honest opinion they fired him because of the kotaku article.

Quinton wasn’t an FTE developer they had HR files on. He was a contractor who was embroiled in lawsuits that were not visually appealing and they acted a bit too quickly.
But they’re apples and oranges.
Blizzard have the info, not Kotaku or you, on what McCree did. And Quinton also publicly denied and shared the details of the allegations against him, some McCree tellingly hasn’t. They also didn’t fire Quinton, again he was an independent contractor, they replaced his voice work, which doesn’t open them up to wrongful termination.
The overstep taken by Blizzard on Quinton doesn’t mean everyone is innocent.

[Cthulhu fhtagn]

Silence is admission? and targeting McCree, claiming he did stuff nobody is even offically claiming just as part of a mob mentality cancel culture is dangerous not just for McCree but for everyone - I am "protecting" him because of the absurdity of people blaming him for stuff people don't have any clue what they're talking about. Like you, you assume he enabled people or that he himself harassed employees, when NO ONE ever claimed he did. He was never accused of anything publicly, so what are you basing your argument off? "If he was a shitbag?". What if you're a shitbag?

People keep doing this not only in this case, but for anything these days. This is insane.

He was the lead designer of Diablo 4, i doubt he would be sacrificed just to look good. Also none of his co-workers have been defending him, unlike with few others who were indeed falsely accused.
There were other people who were put on a leave together with him but others came back when he didnt. It's quite clear there was an internal investigation and discussions. He wasn't just "cancelled" because of public outroar. Out of the 20+ people fired after this only a few have been publicly named in the lawsuits.

And yes, not answering to accusations is an answer in itself. Never said it was admission. If you nor no one who has worked with you for over a decade defends you it's odd to say the least. If anything, case Afrasiabi proves that the scummy people there are still watching eachothers' backs.

[Self Inflicted Wounds]

This thread is gold.

"I like the name McCree." Oh so you support rapists then, do you?

Yes, absolutely. I like the name 'Tyson' too - Oops, Mike Tyson raped someone so I guess that makes me a double supporter of rapists. I also like the name 'Alexander' - Oh damn Alexander Pichushkin is a famous serial killer, so I guess I support those as well. Shit I guess I can't win. Okay well I guess I like the name 'Vlad' so there's that, to--oops that's the name of two (three?) terrible leaders, so I guess I support communism as well. Not to mention widespread murder.

Damn I guess I'm a really terrible person

As long as you know the truth.