Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Raetary]

The majority of world quests are just regular quests.

"Kill 10 X"
"Collect 20 Y"
"Slay 'Mob, the annoying one'"

Sure, you have your occasional "fill the bar" quest, but those are nowhere near the ridiculousness of the apexis dailies.
A lot of them aren't even really "fill the bar" quests, as the objective you have to complete often fills up a quarter and more of the bar.
Basically a glorified "Do X thing 3/4 times" type of quest that they simply attached a bar to.

Apexis dailies had no such variety.
They had 1 single objective, to go to some random place and grind the ever living hell out of it until you finished the quest.

[TheFirstOnes]

Apexis...dailies...

*Shivers*

[Alanar]

Considering what happened in BfA, wouldn't surprise me if he ended up snorting enough Azerite to equal her power.

The guy is a freaking diamond.. does he still have feelings or? Who cares if he ends up like that. He was a pawn on bfa and if he ends like that fits hes story.

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The majority of world quests are just regular quests.

"Kill 10 X"
"Collect 20 Y"
"Slay 'Mob, the annoying one'"

Sure, you have your occasional "fill the bar" quest, but those are nowhere near the ridiculousness of the apexis dailies.
A lot of them aren't even really "fill the bar" quests, as the objective you have to complete often fills up a quarter and more of the bar.
Basically a glorified "Do X thing 3/4 times" type of quest that they simply attached a bar to.

Apexis dailies had no such variety.
They had 1 single objective, to go to some random place and grind the ever living hell out of it until you finished the quest.

I am pretty sure blizz will get some pretty big resistance from player when we find out its just gonna be korthia with a differnt paint job.

They realy need to bring players back with good content.
Collect 10 brains and kill brainboy at the end isnt going to cut it.

[Kereberus]

Will we see a new expansion announced at Blizzcon Online?

[Postmasters]

Will we see a new expansion announced at Blizzcon Online?

More likely we will get really weird looking people talking about how much they love working with each other and weirdly only bringing up their own racial or sexual identities...

We are in the worst time line ever since they shot harambe.

[Sondrelk]

Will we see a new expansion announced at Blizzcon Online?

Almost certainly. Unless the next expansion is delayed a full year all the way to late Q2, Q3 2023 then this is Blizzard best and really only chance to announce the expansion in good time. Legion being announced at Gamescom is definitely the odd one out, and I doubt there really even is a fitting convention to announce 10.0 anyways.

[Alanar]

More likely we will get really weird looking people talking about how much they love working with each other and weirdly only bringing up their own racial or sexual identities...

We are in the worst time line ever since they shot harambe.

Dont forget the line: We LOVE working for blizzard and the great folks at blizzard put together this video and a whole lot of love went into this.

Crowd cheering tape on 3.. 2..

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Almost certainly. Unless the next expansion is delayed a full year all the way to late Q2, Q3 2023 then this is Blizzard best and really only chance to announce the expansion in good time. Legion being announced at Gamescom is definitely the odd one out, and I doubt there really even is a fitting convention to announce 10.0 anyways.

Probably the following year we might get a "Hey heres 10.0, enjoy"

[Soon-TM]

Blizzard proves time and time again that they default to 'what the community whines loudest about' when it comes to high-level design decisions. Blizzard dug this grave by not telling MMO-C posters to get fucked every time someone makes a suggestion. When they crowdsource game design from armchair game designers online, this is what you get.

Ion himself was an "armchair game designer" , "whiney" (as you would put it) dude whose only merit until then was hosting a theorycrafting forum. Yet he was hired, for some reason.

[draugril]

Ion himself was an "armchair game designer" , "whiney" (as you would put it) dude whose only merit until then was hosting a theorycrafting forum. Yet he was hired, for some reason.

And the game is now precisely what you would envision as the brain-child of the GM of Elitist Jerks.

[plz delete account]

Today is monday, which means it's time to post the classic originally posted by either Fahrad or Shadochi in the BFA prepatch thread

[Sondrelk]

And the game is now precisely what you would envision as the brain-child of the GM of Elitist Jerks.

It is fascinating to consider how the game would have looked if it was headed by someone who saw open world content as the preeminent source of enjoyment.
Obviously should be said that the ship for open world content sailed in TBC, but still.
A version of WoW where raids were just bigger dungeon that gave better loot, and most of the meat of the game came from open world questlines, challenges or generally more focus on the actual world, as opposed to the version helmed by WotLK onwards, where raids are not just where the big story climaxes, but indeed something that the entire game revolves around.

[Nyel]

Will we see a new expansion announced at Blizzcon Online?

That's 4 months away, how could we know. It's very likely though. If they're not holding a one hour special livestream to announce it later this year, it's their only chance to do it at a "huge" event.

[huth]

It is fascinating to consider how the game would have looked if it was headed by someone who saw open world content as the preeminent source of enjoyment.
Obviously should be said that the ship for open world content sailed in TBC, but still.

Not sure what you mean. They very much have been trying to introduce more world content in the last few expansions.

I think you're giving raids far to much credit here.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

It is fascinating to consider how the game would have looked if it was headed by someone who saw open world content as the preeminent source of enjoyment.
Obviously should be said that the ship for open world content sailed in TBC, but still.
A version of WoW where raids were just bigger dungeon that gave better loot, and most of the meat of the game came from open world questlines, challenges or generally more focus on the actual world, as opposed to the version helmed by WotLK onwards, where raids are not just where the big story climaxes, but indeed something that the entire game revolves around.

The ship has not sailed on world content, thats dumb. Yeah the raid is where the big story end is at but that doesn't mean they can't make open world content better.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

We will just have to wait and see. I personally still believe that we will see a livestream or a video preview of 9.2 with a hint that there's an expansion awaiting us at Blizzcon Online. But we'll see. There's a lot of worst case scenarios that could happen right now. But until we have 9.2 preview in front of us there's no need to panic.

[Sondrelk]

Not sure what you mean. They very much have been trying to introduce more world content in the last few expansions.

I think you're giving raids far to much credit here.

I mean the game started shifting away from the idea that the journey was more important than the destination in TBC, and in WotLK raids became the preeminent endgame content outside of PvP.

The game has definitely seen a return to open world content being important, but it will likely never completely change to a version where open world content is the endgame content, and raids are just a fun side thing if you want the ending to various open world stories.

In Vanilla raids could in theory be removed and all you would get is slightly less content and a few more unresolved plot threads. If you removed raids now meanwhile you all but destroy what the game is about.

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The ship has not sailed on world content, thats dumb. Yeah the raid is where the big story end is at but that doesn't mean they can't make open world content better.

What I mean is that open world content will likely never be more important than raids, which shouldnt be surprising since that was only ever the case in Vanilla.

[prunusek]

I think we will see 9.2 info preview around November 23rd (launch of FFXIV: Endwalker), on Blizzconline they will announce 10.0 and reveal launch date for 9.2.

[huth]

I mean the game started shifting away from the idea that the journey was more important than the destination in TBC, and in WotLK raids became the preeminent endgame content outside of PvP.

The game has definitely seen a return to open world content being important, but it will likely never completely change to a version where open world content is the endgame content, and raids are just a fun side thing if you want the ending to various open world stories.

In Vanilla raids could in theory be removed and all you would get is slightly less content and a few more unresolved plot threads. If you removed raids now meanwhile you all but destroy what the game is about.

I think you're unfairly limiting what you consider as world content, and still overvaluing raids. It's not like raids are unique ongoing encounter chains - endgame will always consist mainly of infinitely repeatable content out of sheer necessity. Removing raids in Vanilla would have actually have cut off the vast majority of endgame content there was. Now there's at least some other options.

What I mean is that open world content will likely never be more important than raids, which shouldnt be surprising since that was only ever the case in Vanilla.

That's entirely due to the players focussing on them, though.

[Postmasters]

And the game is now precisely what you would envision as the brain-child of the GM of Elitist Jerks.

I also figured it would be a raiders paradise then instead of this hell.