McCree Renamed to Cole Cassidy

[hzjf]

like i give a fuck. i still call him mccree

[The One Percent]

Hell, I've been to the homestead where the guy lived as a child. Bet you didn't know it still stood.

Alright, just keep dodging the question.

[Jinpachi]

Who cares? Any faux outrage over this is the real cringe.

The outrage over his original name is the real cringe. who cares, right?

[Mic_128]

He was fired after the kotaku article was released. Meaning he could've been fired just for being associated with it. You don't have proof to suggest otherwise.

Or been fired because of the evidence that came with it. However the fact he's said absolutely nothing to defend himself speaks volumes when in cases like Quinton Flynn, they've protested and defended themselves.

I didn't know Jesse McCree was responsible for a thing HR should be dealing with.

He's a project lead. Part of being in a leadership position is looking after your subordinates.

Let's say this suite was a place for co-workers to have parties inbetween blizzcon even days. The kotaku article even suggests this is exactly what it was.

They also claim that it was called 'The cosby suite' because of how garish the room was decorated, despite photos of the room that they themselves posted revealed it to be incredibly plain.

Clearly, but you put on so much weight on one person's behavior in the company. Like, why didn't he do that or that. Well, so many others didn't do anything, not just higher ups. Most likely everyone knew about the suite. So, the guilt is shared with all of them for not doing anything, by your logic.

Now who's making assumptions? How do you know then that the general workers haven't complained? A number have said that they did and HR did nothing, and certainly many of them spoke with the police during their 2 year investigation into it. Hell, someone had to tell the police in the first place.

Yeah, the gross part is subjective. That's how friends talk to each other in informal chats and gatherings, very surprising and very shocking I know. I presented the ghostcrawler tweet to emphasize it wasn't about chicks dave kosak brought to have sex with..

And I'm pointing out that he admits it was wrong.

Also, it is not clear which of the inappropriate company activities actually occured on blizzard and which on activision. Blizzard never gave a full statements on their side of things, and are likely waiting to respond to the law suit in court.

Not sure what difference that makes if it was pre- or post-merger.

Also, what are you talking about? Blizzard made a response the day after the lawsuit was publicly revealed.

We value diversity and strive to foster a workplace that offers inclusivity for everyone. There is no place in our company or industry, or any industry, for sexual misconduct or harassment of any kind. We take every allegation seriously and investigate all claims. In cases related to misconduct, action was taken to address the issue.

The DFEH includes distorted, and in many cases false, descriptions of Blizzard’s past.

Not to mention the emails sent by Bliz. president, J. Allen Brack and Activision Blizzard executive Fran Townsend

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And it doesn't matter if someone was in a position of power or not. You see something you say something.

And what about when you're actively warned about oing to HR because those that would deal with the complaint are friends with the people you'd accuse? One of the complaints in the lawsuit is Employees were allegedly “discouraged from complaining as human resource personnel were known to be close to alleged harassers.”

Also worth pointing out that clearly they did speak out, otherwise the lawsuit wouldn't exist. Who do you think the authorities were talking to for two years?

[Kralljin]

Or been fired because of the evidence that came with it. However the fact he's said absolutely nothing to defend himself speaks volumes when in cases like Quinton Flynn, they've protested and defended themselves.

I think the comparison with Flynn is apples to Oranges.

Blizzard wants this case to be over ASAP, so even if McCree has been involved in cases where "plausible deniability" might apply, Blizzard would have likely handed him a lot of cash to have him out of the company without a lot of drama.
Fighting those allegations publically would essentially just bring down the wrath of Blizzards lawyers down upon him, where Blizzard even plays the "good guy", standing in for rightful termination of a (potential) sexual harasser, whereas McCree would be in a defensive position from the getgo, where he has to prove that the accusations are in fact false.

Even if any of those people are potentially innocent but their name just happens to be involved for whatever reasons, they're unlikely to fight that publically unless they have solid evidence of them not doing anything wrong - which is very difficult to proof.

In the case of Flynn, Blizzard wasn't even involved, the dispute was entirely between two people, there was no billion company involved.

[ONCHEhap]

They already said it’s now company policy to never use real name in their games.

They should have been able to guess it was a bad idea long ago, but then again they never had any issue with workplace abuse either until they got called out for it

[Eapoe]

Too many people having fake outrage is ludicrous. Other people being outraged because they just don’t get it are also ludicrous. Let me try and explain in simple terms:
Naming a character, place, or thing something because you like the name isn’t bad.
Naming a character, place, or thing something after a despicable person is bad.
Keeping the character, place, or thing named the same after just how despicable a person is comes to light is bad.
Changing the name of the character, place, or thing to remove the honorific is a good thing.

As far as some people’s points of “I like the name, I want to name something this name.” If you like a name, it’s okay to name something that. If you like the name and you are naming something that to honor the person who has that name, that is potentially bad (if that person is a bad person). That said, if you want to name your kid Adolf you absolutely can, but don’t pretend you can’t see a problem or all the negative connotations that come with it.

Bottom line: stop being obtuse and having false outrage because you like a name.

[Specialka]

Too many people having fake outrage is ludicrous. Other people being outraged because they just don’t get it are also ludicrous. Let me try and explain in simple terms:
Naming a character, place, or thing something because you like the name isn’t bad.
Naming a character, place, or thing something after a despicable person is bad.
Keeping the character, place, or thing named the same after just how despicable a person is comes to light is bad.
Changing the name of the character, place, or thing to remove the honorific is a good thing.

As far as some people’s points of “I like the name, I want to name something this name.” If you like a name, it’s okay to name something that. If you like the name and you are naming something that to honor the person who has that name, that is potentially bad (if that person is a bad person). That said, if you want to name your kid Adolf you absolutely can, but don’t pretend you can’t see a problem or all the negative connotations that come with it.

Bottom line: stop being obtuse and having false outrage because you like a name.

The issue here is that we do not know if Jesse McCree is a "bad person" as you said. There is no evidence about that.

[Goatfish]

Fuck people, named after a good person or a bad person doesn't fucking matter. It's like you all are trying to say we can't have anyone share names with anyone. This shit is like saying we need to change the actor John Wayne's name because he shared a name with a serial killer. It's gone completely off the fucking rails in an attempt to show remorse to the angry crowd.

Though honestly, I don't see a single post actually asking for this shit. It's more that Bliz randomly decides that Master Baiter is too risque for WoW and that they might possibly get attacked for a fishing npc in the middle of nowhere. I've seen no one demand that McCree or Mac'Aree need renamed, it's just random shit they are changing as a potential self-defense from the vocal but tiny outrage mob.

edit: If anyone disagrees, feel free to show me posting of the outrage that a joke hinting at milking Tauren existed. Or any previous outrage to all the shit that is getting removed, but I need dates and/or timestamps from BEFORE the shitstorm with Blizzard. None of this was a problem until Blizzard decided on their own that it was a problem.

[Linkedblade]

What would you know? It's like you've done zero research on the man and are parroting the same thing over and over to try to own someone who's done significantly more research.

About whom? Butch Cassidy, Cole younger, or McCree?

There's plenty of information about the former two's live and activities. McCree doesn't have anything saying he committed any act or crime. Lol ffs.

[arandomuser]

was against the name change at first but i mean we dont know the exact reason mcree was fired, there is people that were at the "cosby suite" who werent fired, clearly if the dude did something theres no reason for him to be enshrined in the game with an iconic character. And overwatch i would say is the game i played with the most female players in it, having a char named after a high profile guy that was problematic towards woman is a big no

[Femininity]

Or been fired because of the evidence that came with it. However the fact he's said absolutely nothing to defend himself speaks volumes when in cases like Quinton Flynn, they've protested and defended themselves.

Just to interject, he may in fact be bound by a non-disclosure agreement that prevents publicly addressing or acknowledging the case ongoing. This is not uncommon at all, and would give you an answer as to why he hasn't defended himself. To say "I didn't do anything" would potentially risk legal repercussions.

[Goatfish]

was against the name change at first but i mean we dont know the exact reason mcree was fired, there is people that were at the "cosby suite" who werent fired, clearly if the dude did something theres no reason for him to be enshrined in the game with an iconic character. And overwatch i would say is the game i played with the most female players in it, having a char named after a high profile guy that was problematic towards woman is a big no

Who gives a shit if it has the most female players in it? Who gives a shit if someone shares a name with someone else?

The only thing I can potentially decipher is that people honestly believe that they ARE their name. They somehow believe that their name is their existence, and not just something arbitrarily given to them at birth so others can categorize them easier.

[Dead Moose Fandango]

Fuck people, named after a good person or a bad person doesn't fucking matter. It's like you all are trying to say we can't have anyone share names with anyone. This shit is like saying we need to change the actor John Wayne's name because he shared a name with a serial killer.

Actually, it would be more like if John Wayne Gacy was an uncle or very good family friend that the actor John Wayne was named after. AND THEN the secret came out that Gacy was a serial killer and "Oh shit, better change the actor's name!"

But good try.

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Who gives a shit if it has the most female players in it? Who gives a shit if someone shares a name with someone else?

The only thing I can potentially decipher is that people honestly believe that they ARE their name. They somehow believe that their name is their existence, and not just something arbitrarily given to them at birth so others can categorize them easier.

A point you keep skipping over is that the character was NAMED AFTER the person. Not that they simply and by total coinkydink share a name.

[froschhure]

You'll remember me when the west wind moves
Among the fields of barley
You can tell the sun in his jealous sky,
When we walked in fields of gold

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Hellow mr. Pew pew lazorr Cassidy

[Eapoe]

The issue here is that we do not know if Jesse McCree is a "bad person" as you said. There is no evidence about that.

Blizzard is going about renaming any character tied to a real person to avoid any potential future embarrassment/issues that may come up from it.
My post also doesn’t even have to be directly about McCree as it applies to anything in this context. The point doesn’t change. People are acting outraged because a name is being changed.
Just to go a step further, it’s Blizzard’s property. If they want to change his name simply because a lead dev woke up one day and said “you know, I like the name BabyFace Jason for a cowboy gangster,” they are completely allowed to do that. As others have pointed out, there’s hints Jesse McCree, a terrible name for a cowboy, isn’t even his real name.
There’s also nothing stopping people from continuing to call him McCree if they want to.

[Specialka]

Blizzard is going about renaming any character tied to a real person to avoid any potential future embarrassment/issues that may come up from it.
My post also doesn’t even have to be directly about McCree as it applies to anything in this context. The point doesn’t change. People are acting outraged because a name is being changed.
Just to go a step further, it’s Blizzard’s property. If they want to change his name simply because a lead dev woke up one day and said “you know, I like the name BabyFace Jason for a cowboy gangster,” they are completely allowed to do that. As others have pointed out, there’s hints Jesse McCree, a terrible name for a cowboy, isn’t even his real name.
There’s also nothing stopping people from continuing to call him McCree if they want to.

So moving goalpost is all you got ?

[Okacz]

As others have pointed out, there’s hints Jesse McCree, a terrible name for a cowboy, isn’t even his real name.

Since when is it a terrible name? It's a very good name, IGN would give 8/10. Better than Cole Cassidy.

[Rageadon]

Supporting sexual predators is fun!

cuz getting rid of the problem is to rename and delete history and act like nothing ever happen

[Eapoe]

Since when is it a terrible name? It's a very good name, IGN would give 8/10. Better than Cole Cassidy.

Do you play Overwatch? You should get the reference if you play with game sounds on.