Another "I can't breath" death: Police Reform & Protests in the USA

[Elegiac]

he went to a protest

He went to participate in an uninvited vigilante action and lied about his reasons for being there.

That alone nullifies any reasonable claim of self-defense, bruh.

[DarkTZeratul]

Gorsskreutz aimed his pistol at Rittenhouse's face AFTER he ran down Rittenhosue. It does not matter that he shot Rosenbaum. You pull a pistol on someone, that someone has a right to defend themselves.

So if a burglar breaks into your house, and you pull a gun on him, and then he shoots you, he should be in the clear because he was defending himself against you?

[Kronik85]

I like how you have to hyperfocus on technicalities rather that actually address the, you know, travelling across state lines, prowling a protest as part of an unasked-for vigilante action, and then lying about his reason for being there.

Remind us why you're not arguing in complete bad faith simply because Rittenhouse is on "your side", again? Rofl.

None of these are felonies from what I am aware. People need to drop this "crossing state lines" bullshit. Rittenhouse lived within 15 mins of Kenosha county, his father "crossed state lines" to go to work everyday.

"Crossing State Lines" is not a felony, his AR15 was stored in Kenosha and he did not cross state lines with it. It's a bullshit piece of rhetoric designed to infer Rittenhouse was journeying hundreds of miles to kill people, it's spurious bullshit and it needs to stop.

[XDurionX]

The civilian AR-15 is not a select-fire rifle, unlike the M16s and later weapons that are designed for war. It's just a semi-automatic .223.

Civilian AR-15s are not "designed for war".

Most people fighting wars are equipped with worse than an AR-15.

[rrayy]

Sure, Jan:

That has ZERO to do with the actual verdict. That has to do with all those leftists and their defamatory statements before a man found not guilty got his due process. Nice try, though.

[Elegiac]

So if a burglar breaks into your house, and you pull a gun on him, and then he shoots you, he should be in the clear because he was defending himself against you?

Moreover: if a teacher tackles a school shooter, that shooter is within his rights to kill the teacher and claim "self-defense", according to the gun nuts here.

[Edge-]

Funny that. I watched the whole case on PBS. Go figure lol.

I don't even watch news on TV anymore, but that's the only channel I'd go for actual news. It's actually good and doesn't need to stretch 1-2 hours of news into 24 hours to fill airtime.

But don't worry, that's ultra-leftist propaganda as well according to American conservatives.

[PhaelixWW]

sorry, but that is EXACTLY how it works. you cant change reality.

No, it doesn't. How many times have you had to deal with the ATF?

[Elegiac]

That has ZERO to do with the actual verdict.

But everything to do with you lying about not celebrating. Looool.

[DKjaigen]

Sure they are.

That doesn't, however, mean they get to claim "self-defense" when they do it to wilfully put themselves into a dangerous situation with the intent of instigating violence.

Perhaps BLM should not instigate riots because thats the real reason why their was a dangerous situation in the first place.

[Kathandira]

So if a burglar breaks into your house, and you pull a gun on him, and then he shoots you, he should be in the clear because he was defending himself against you?

LOL, Actually? In some cases, it has been ruled that yes. A home intruder has the right to defend themselves.

[Elegiac]

Perhaps BLM should not instigate riots

Perhaps you should get a new fallacy besides whataboutism.

Hint: Saying "it's a dangerous situation" just supports the notion that a reasonable person would not have done what Rittenhouse did.

[The Oblivion]

He went to participate in an uninvited vigilante action and lied about his reasons for being there.

That alone nullifies any reasonable claim of self-defense, bruh.

it does not. he did not instigate violence. he did not start violence. he actively tried to avoid defending himself.

he was attacked, chased, threatened, and beaten. you cant change law because reality doesnt suit your feelings.

[Adamas102]

If he wasnt legally allowed to posses where is the charge on that?

Sorry but your lies dont stack

Wisconsin laws are wild but he didnt break them

Wisconsin law also makes it clear that you don’t have to be doing anything unlawful to be considered an instigator and therefore not entitled to a claim of self defense. Whether or not he was legally allowed to go walking around open carrying isn’t the crux of the argument.

[Kathandira]

Perhaps BLM should not instigate riots because thats the real reason why their was a dangerous situation in the first place.

Chicken and the Egg. Perhaps police should stop murdering people of color simply because they feel they can.

[Huehuecoyotl]

he went to a protest, was ATTACKED, and defended himself. these are the facts. he tried to run away over and over, while his violent attackers pursued. he was forced to defend his own life and was well within his rights to do so. the only victim in this whole case it Rittenhouse.

Why did anyone "attack" him then? If all he did was go to a protest, and nothing else, why would anyone attack him? Do you randomly go up to people for no reason and start to attack them?

Between him going to that protest and people "attacking" him, something happened. We don't know what, but we are damn sure that something happened. Because people wouldn't suddenly start something with anybody for no reason, and they'd have to have a damn good reason if the person involved is openly carrying a firearm. So stop pretending this is clear cut that Rittenhouse is blameless. We might not know exactly what he did to start this chain of events, but we know for damn certain he did something.

And we know from the evidence that the judge wouldn't allow in the trial that he'd already stated that he WANTED to shoot protestors. It doesn't take a leap of imagination to suppose that he was doing something designed to give himself the opportunity to get his wish.

[Endus]

Perhaps BLM should not instigate riots because thats the real reason why their was a dangerous situation in the first place.

"BLM" is not an organized group that has any capacity to "instigate" anything of the sort.

And maybe police shouldn't be executing innocent people in the streets for being black. Y'know. If you really want to get down to root causes.

[rrayy]

None of these are felonies from what I am aware. People need to drop this "crossing state lines" bullshit. Rittenhouse lived within 15 mins of Kenosha county, his father "crossed state lines" to go to work everyday.

"Crossing State Lines" is not a felony, his AR15 was stored in Kenosha and he did not cross state lines with it. It's a bullshit piece of rhetoric designed to infer Rittenhouse was journeying hundreds of miles to kill people, it's spurious bullshit and it needs to stop.

That is just another one of the leftists lies parroted by the usual suspects here.

You are correct. The only way "crossing State Lines" comes into play is if he had an iillegal firearm that he took from Illinois into Wisconsin. Not the case here as the gun was already in Wisconsin to begin with. But if you expect the leftists to stop it, you will be waiting for a long time.

[Elegiac]

it does not.

It does. Wilfully putting yourself into a dangerous situation and aggravating the situation by, say, brandishing a firearm makes it not self-defense.

[PhaelixWW]

Most people fighting wars are equipped with worse than an AR-15.

Uh, no, they're not. Unless you're being narrowly specific on your use of the word "worse".