1. #22001
    Quote Originally Posted by Xyonai View Post
    gun-toting shitheads showing up with the -very wrong- impression that this verdict means that just gunning people down is A-okay if they're rioter adjacent
    This verdict doesn't really change that. They were already saying as much long before this shooting happened. The right-wing narrative has always involved "rioters burning down American cities" and I think you'd have to be more than a little naive to believe that it's not to justify violence perpetrated against them (by the police or otherwise) in the name of maintaining Law and Order.™
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  2. #22002
    Decent piece on this : https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021...-analysis.html

    Rittenhouse’s killing of Rosenbaum may have been lawful. But that was scarcely self-evident to the bystanders who heard gunshots and then saw a killer holding an AR-15. The group of protesters who proceeded to chase and attack Rittenhouse could have reasonably believed that killing the armed teenager was necessary to save others from imminent bodily harm. If Rittenhouse had a right to shoot Huber and Grosskreutz in self-defense, the latter had a similarly legitimate basis for shooting Rittenhouse dead.

    Put differently: Once Rittenhouse fired his first shots, he and his attackers plausibly entered a context in which neither could be held legally liable for killing the other. Whether one emerged from this confrontation legally innocent or lawfully executed hinged on little more than one’s relative capacity for rapidly deploying lethal violence. Rittenhouse had a more powerful weapon and a quicker trigger finger than Huber or Grosskreutz. Thus, he walks free, in full health, while Huber lies in a grave and Grosskreutz gets by without the bulk of his right bicep.

  3. #22003
    Quote Originally Posted by masterhorus8 View Post
    At least this thread is an easy way to find who's a murderer apologist that thinks that the sniveling little shit was "an innocent bystander" that did nothing wrong.
    Convicted child molester fresh off an arson spree threatens to kill a child, assaults and chases said child, corners the child, and attempts to disarm the child. The child fires upon the child molester killing him. A mob of people hear the gunfire and upon investigating the commotion find the child and give chase on the assumption he is an active shooter. The mob does not know explicitly what happened before and also assault the child and attempt to disarm him. The child stumbles while fleeing the approaching mob and is attacked by multiple assailants. One more attacker is shot and killed after hitting the child twice in the head with a skateboard and then grabbing the gun, and another is wounded after pointing his own handgun at the child. The child gets up and runs to the police, escaping the mob.

    Those are the events of that night as depicted from video footage and testimony from multiple witnesses in the trial.

    This is not murder apologism. This was a tragedy of mistaken misguided people. I’ll not lose sleep over a child molester getting shot and killed by the last child he tried to assault, but the others made the wrong assumption about the circumstances of that first incident and it cost one more man his life.

    There’s nothing to celebrate about any of this. This was a political trial from the start as evidenced by exactly where we’re discussing this. It shouldn’t have been.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    Succinct and to the point. Which is why this was a tragedy all around.

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    South Park laid the framework.

  5. #22005
    Quote Originally Posted by D3thray View Post
    Convicted child molester fresh off an arson spree threatens to kill a child, assaults and chases said child, corners the child, and attempts to disarm the child. The child fires upon the child molester killing him. A mob of people hear the gunfire and upon investigating the commotion find the child and give chase on the assumption he is an active shooter. The mob does not know explicitly what happened before and also assault the child and attempt to disarm him. The child stumbles while fleeing the approaching mob and is attacked by multiple assailants. One more attacker is shot and killed after hitting the child twice in the head with a skateboard and then grabbing the gun, and another is wounded after pointing his own handgun at the child. The child gets up and runs to the police, escaping the mob.

    Those are the events of that night as depicted from video footage and testimony from multiple witnesses in the trial.

    This is not murder apologism. This was a tragedy of mistaken misguided people. I’ll not lose sleep over a child molester getting shot and killed by the last child he tried to assault, but the others made the wrong assumption about the circumstances of that first incident and it cost one more man his life.

    There’s nothing to celebrate about any of this. This was a political trial from the start as evidenced by exactly where we’re discussing this. It shouldn’t have been.

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    Succinct and to the point. Which is why this was a tragedy all around.
    Boy, he sure as hell lucked out on his first victim being a child molester. Since Kyle actively went there hoping to shoot someone.

  6. #22006
    Quote Originally Posted by Dead Moose Fandango View Post
    Boy, he sure as hell lucked out on his first victim being a child molester. Since Kyle actively went there hoping to shoot someone.
    This is what I find so amusing as well. The people who claim the media is poisoning the trial against Rittenhouse forget to mention how the media has been portraying the victims. It isn't like they all magically did the legwork and found out all these horrible things about the victims. No, the media told them.

    Mindbogglingly stupid and hypocritical.

  7. #22007
    Quote Originally Posted by Yuujin View Post
    This is what I find so amusing as well. The people who claim the media is poisoning the trial against Rittenhouse forget to mention how the media has been portraying the victims. It isn't like they all magically did the legwork and found out all these horrible things about the victims. No, the media told them.

    Mindbogglingly stupid and hypocritical.
    To be fair 4chan told the media first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    This is a very strange take to me. The first gun shot was a protester behind the crowd firing into the air. Now you can argue consfuion in a riot but there was a fair amount of time between the two attacks. It feels like this is twisting events to give the assailants a legal leg to stand on.
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  8. #22008
    Quote Originally Posted by Blur4stuff View Post
    That doesn't matter one bit. He shouldn't have been there in the first place. Nothing about what he did helped the situation. It resulted in two people being killed. A kid showing up to an already volatile situation with a rifle was a terrible idea. These right wingers are fucking nuts and want to kill people on the left. They are not making things better. They are making things worse.

    It's going to happen even more now. It's 100% guaranteed that following this verdict thousands of wacko Proud Boys and others are salivating at the opportunity to kill someone they hate.

    The next time one of these nut jobs murders someone we're gonna see right wingers and right wing media cheer them on... again. They want more of it. They hate people on the left and want them to die.
    ANd thje left wingers don't want to kill the right wingers? everything you said about the right can be applied to the left.

    Also, nobody is cheering on anyone here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dead Moose Fandango View Post
    Boy, he sure as hell lucked out on his first victim being a child molester. Since Kyle actively went there hoping to shoot someone.
    Prove it. There is zero evidence of that. People need to stop repeating this lie that they hear from the far left media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dead Moose Fandango View Post
    Boy, he sure as hell lucked out on his first victim being a child molester. Since Kyle actively went there hoping to shoot someone.
    Lucky in the eyes of the law and lucked out in life. Dude got away with ending the life of a pedophile vigilante style. he's a fucking hero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rrayy View Post

    Prove it. There is zero evidence of that. People need to stop repeating this lie that they hear from the far left media.
    From their point of view him going to the riots with a gun was him looking to shoot someone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rrayy View Post
    Prove it. There is zero evidence of that. People need to stop repeating this lie that they hear from the far left media.
    So you're saying that there isn't a video of Rittenhouse saying he wanted to shoot protesters?

    Isn't it weird how every piece of evidence that doesn't agree with your view of him is "fake news" from the "biased MSM"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    yikes. just take the L.
    Says the guy with the Civil war fetish? You should probably take the L first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Oblivion View Post
    he had every right to be there. someone committing criminal activity in an area does not prohibit law abiding citizens from being there. he does not lose his freedoms so others can riot and loot. kyle did not do a single thing wrong, he is a victim of violent criminals and barely escaped with his life. your victim blaming is just horrible.
    I know you are banned, but Kyle definitely wasn't the victim here.

  13. #22013
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    You guys on the left lost. Accept it and move on.
    It's not "the left" that has lost. It's democracy. And fascism won.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by D3thray View Post
    Succinct and to the point.
    Moronic and ridiculous, actually. It's just leftists already looking for an excuse to kill someone the next time a riot breaks out:
    If Rittenhouse had a right to shoot Huber and Grosskreutz in self-defense, the latter had a similarly legitimate basis for shooting Rittenhouse dead.
    The group of protesters who proceeded to chase and attack Rittenhouse could have reasonably believed
    You cannot refer as "reasonable" to people running at supposed active shooter instead of running in opposite direction. Funny how same people would argue that policemen trained and capable of actually stopping armed men should rather "de-escalate" them with a lullaby, but mob attempting a Zerg rush unto an "active shooter" is "necessary"
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  15. #22015
    Quote Originally Posted by Yadryonych View Post
    Moronic and ridiculous, actually. It's just leftists already looking for an excuse to kill someone the next time a riot breaks out: You cannot refer as "reasonable" to people running at supposed active shooter instead of running in opposite direction. Funny how same people would argue that policemen trained and capable of actually stopping armed men should rather "de-escalate" them with a lullaby, but mob attempting a Zerg rush unto an "active shooter" is "necessary"
    you have brought your emotional 'leftists' into this. If Rittenhouse is not guilty based on reasonable self defense the same defense applies to everyone else. He doesn't have a monopoly on it.

    This case was on a legal technicality, not your feelings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    If Rittenhouse is not guilty based on reasonable self defense the same defense applies to everyone else. He doesn't have a monopoly on it.
    You are missing the point that self defense has to be reasonable

  17. #22017
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/joewals...lows-jury-bus/

    MSM tries to photograph, intimidate and tamper with the jurors. They issue a statement of denial, and CNN's Mr Potato head decides to cover for them. Luckily it didn't work.
    Hopefully the authorities can bring in the accused MSNBC staff and investigate.

    Regarding the verdict: Despite the threats to the jurors, Justice prevailed today. Rioters were stopped and buildings weren't burned down. The town of Kenosha still stands as beautiful as ever, instead of a pile of ash.

    Also he's not a white supremacist btw despite what sleepy Joe says. The FBI scoured Kyle’s phone and found nothing about white supremacy or militias, the court heard. All they saw were pro-police, “Blue Lives Matter” posts from a kid who had been a police and fire department cadet, wanted to be a police officer or paramedic and once sat near the front of a Trump rally. That was enough for the media to brand him a white supremacist.

    If he was one, he did a bad job of it. All of his victims are white. Isn't that against their moniker?

    Regarding the picture. After spending three months in jail, Kyle was freed on $2 million bail two days after his 18th birthday last year, and went to a bar for a beer, with his mother and other adults, which is legal in Wisconsin. He posed for selfies with strangers at the bar, who the media say are Proud Boy sympathizers (not actual members. Despite not having any evidence, they still claim that.

    I don't know much about bar etiquette, but if a stranger shows up and wants to take a picture with you, typically you don't start a conversation with "Are you part of a white supremacist organization?"

    Apparently leftoids still think the OK hand sign is used for white supremacy.

    Hopefully they catch this guy who popularized it.
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  18. #22018
    Quote Originally Posted by Yadryonych View Post
    You are missing the point that self defense has to be reasonable
    What are you talking about? The case established that if you are armed, and are attacked by an unarmed man, and he reaches for your gun, you can reasonably use your weapon in self defense to kill that person. You can't start changing the rules already.

  19. #22019
    Quote Originally Posted by Yadryonych View Post
    You are missing the point that self defense has to be reasonable
    self defense against an active shooter is unreasonable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yadryonych View Post
    Moronic and ridiculous, actually. It's just leftists already looking for an excuse to kill someone the next time a riot breaks out: You cannot refer as "reasonable" to people running at supposed active shooter instead of running in opposite direction. Funny how same people would argue that policemen trained and capable of actually stopping armed men should rather "de-escalate" them with a lullaby, but mob attempting a Zerg rush unto an "active shooter" is "necessary"
    Your political bias is showing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    self defense against an active shooter is unreasonable?
    Seriously, I guess you're only a good guy with a gun stopping a bad guy if you're on the Right. Clowns.

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