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  1. #221
    Seeing these mystical creatures of the Afterlife as glorified automatons is so goofy, once again Shadowlands proves to be dogshit in its world-building. The sooner this filler is over, the better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyphael View Post
    Who created The First Ones?
    The Before Ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simca View Post
    So, if the Prototype Eternal-Ones are in the raid as a council fight, where is Prototype Elune and Prototype An'she?

    Or is the implication that these are brand new copies that the Jailer just printed?
    Someone in the 9.X/10.X speculation thread thinks that the Jailer took the Progenitor Protoforms and used them to create his own copies of the Eternal Ones, in order to have them take over when he kills the real ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Seeing these mystical creatures of the Afterlife as glorified automatons is so goofy, once again Shadowlands proves to be dogshit in its world-building. The sooner this filler is over, the better.
    99% chance The First Ones are not supposed to be major characters & are just a cheeky way to metaphorically refer to the original developers of Warcraft, whom none still work at Blizzard. Like the Dwemer in Elder Scrolls.

    And explaining too much of the origins of the universe ironically makes fantasy settings feel less special.

  4. #224
    Quote Originally Posted by Simca View Post
    So, if the Prototype Eternal-Ones are in the raid as a council fight, where is Prototype Elune and Prototype An'she?

    Or is the implication that these are brand new copies that the Jailer just printed?
    This is basically it. The ones we see aren't the "original" ideas for them, they were made from that machine by the Jailer's forces.

    Just because they were able to do that with that machine, it doesn't mean that's exactly how they were made originally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    In specific, one of the wings of the new Sepulcher raid is a place that is "constantly making things" and one of the fights there is fighting against a prototype version of the Eternal Ones, indicating that the Eternal Ones were, at least as prototypes, fabricated.

    Really this isn't all that mind blowing, since the Titans were able to forge Keepers.
    I'm really curious if there's a prototype jailer, or, if the Jailer is creating these prototypes so he can have his family (be on his side this time) after he starts rewriting everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Molvonos View Post
    I'm really curious if there's a prototype jailer, or, if the Jailer is creating these prototypes so he can have his family (be on his side this time) after he starts rewriting everything.
    Pretty sure it's the "bot" model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simca View Post
    So, if the Prototype Eternal-Ones are in the raid as a council fight, where is Prototype Elune and Prototype An'she?

    Or is the implication that these are brand new copies that the Jailer just printed?
    The implication seems to be that these are enslaved copies that the Jailer has created to stroke his own ego, basically creating his own pet pantheon of Eternal One replicants using the Forge of the Progenitors within the Sepulcher. Whether or not this is how the original Eternal Ones were made, or if any other godlike beings like Elune or An'she were made here, isn't really known.
    "We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    The implication seems to be that these are enslaved copies that the Jailer has created to stroke his own ego, basically creating his own pet pantheon of Eternal One replicants using the Forge of the Progenitors within the Sepulcher. Whether or not this is how the original Eternal Ones were made, or if any other godlike beings like Elune or An'she were made here, isn't really known.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simca View Post
    So, if the Prototype Eternal-Ones are in the raid as a council fight, where is Prototype Elune and Prototype An'she?

    Or is the implication that these are brand new copies that the Jailer just printed?
    I think there's a point being missed here: we still don't really have any idea in what capacity The Winter Queen and Elune are related, or even what sister means, and because of this there's still this assumption that Elune is somehow a part of Death? Maybe in a technical sense if you look at the cycle of Life and Death..

    We've already seen what sort of power Elune has over the realms of Death, which is very little, which was re-directing Nelf souls to Ardenweald instead of the Arbiter for judgement during BoT (okay this might be a big deal but it isn't very material or relevant in the grand scheme of things). She is still most definitely some higher-level being of Life or Light, or something more primordial, so having a Prototype Elune in The Sepulcher doesn't make any sense when it creates afterlives.

    Sister could still just mean beings of great power who fulfil a purpose within the order of the cosmos. The jury is still out on if Elune is a First One herself (unlikely), a creation of the First Ones (I think unlikely) and leads the Pantheon of Life/Light but is kind of rogue, or she is a being formed shortly after the Light and Void were created and she simply just agreed with the modus operandi of the Titan's and felt a personal alignment with their objectives.

    In the end, Blizzard will piss all over this story no matter what they decide.

  10. #230
    Quote Originally Posted by The Stormbringer View Post
    The Before Ones.
    Mind blown. I thought it would be a short-legged squirrel, elephant, cat, hippopotamus tetra-morph with an extendable, reptile-like tongue pissing in the primordial soup.

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    So... void lords and old gods are also 3d-printed by first ones? Are there prototypes of void abominations? All those cosmic settings feel like mere toy factory now

  12. #232
    Quote Originally Posted by olddog View Post
    So... void lords and old gods are also 3d-printed by first ones? Are there prototypes of void abominations? All those cosmic settings feel like mere toy factory now
    I severely doubt this was what was intended. When they said they made "everything we know" they made every physical thing. But the Naaru, Void Lords, Old Gods are an outside consciousness manifesting in a physical body. The First ones made magic crystals. The Light, a separate force, filled it with consciousness. From the looks of their technology, they didn't make souls. Souls is what they need to fuel all their tech.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simca View Post
    So, if the Prototype Eternal-Ones are in the raid as a council fight, where is Prototype Elune and Prototype An'she?

    Or is the implication that these are brand new copies that the Jailer just printed?
    I think the Encounter Journal does in fact say just that. They're not even finished when we arrive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    I severely doubt this was what was intended. When they said they made "everything we know" they made every physical thing. But the Naaru, Void Lords, Old Gods are an outside consciousness manifesting in a physical body. The First ones made magic crystals. The Light, a separate force, filled it with consciousness. From the looks of their technology, they didn't make souls. Souls is what they need to fuel all their tech.
    nah. danuser made his idea very clear in the video: the first ones literally created everything. they made reality, all cosmic forces and their planes, etc. including light and void.
    olddog is absolutely right. void lords, titans, demons, all of them are just playthings, mass produced by the first ones. its fckn laughable. they especially flushed the image of the void lords as "lovecraftian outer gods" right down the toilet with this one.
    The crooked shitposter with no eyes is watching from the endless thread.

    From the space that is everywhere and nowhere, the crooked shitposter feasts on memes.

    He has no eyes to see, but he dreams of infinite memeing and trolling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Houle View Post
    nah. danuser made his idea very clear in the video: the first ones literally created everything. they made reality, all cosmic forces and their planes, etc. including light and void.
    olddog is absolutely right. void lords, titans, demons, all of them are just playthings, mass produced by the first ones. its fckn laughable. they especially flushed the image of the void lords as "lovecraftian outer gods" right down the toilet with this one.
    Its a good thing he didn't actually say that. They clearly didn't make everything because they didn't make themselves. & The only examples of things they use are rocks & animals.

    When he says "Known Universe" he doesn't mean the cosmic forces because the Cosmic forces are almost entirely UNKNOWN to us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    Its a good thing he didn't actually say that. They clearly didn't make everything because they didn't make themselves. & The only examples of things they use are rocks & animals.

    When he says "Known Universe" he doesn't mean the cosmic forces because the Cosmic forces are almost entirely UNKNOWN to us.
    That's my takeaway as well. They create the things that inhabit the Shadowlands and the various afterlives, not sure about them responsible for all of creation

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simca View Post
    So, if the Prototype Eternal-Ones are in the raid as a council fight, where is Prototype Elune and Prototype An'she?

    Or is the implication that these are brand new copies that the Jailer just printed?
    They cannot be there, as they are in the part of Reality Realm. Wait, so you mean that the Jailer just printed some new prototype army out of something that has been there already? That’s just terrible. I’m so happy we gonna kill him next raid. It’s unbelievable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelly View Post
    Actually they are recycling the Titans. At least that's how I'm viewing it, a godly force responsible for creation and order.
    Honestly, that what it seems to me, too. Nothing about "the First Ones" ISN'T just like previous Titan lore. It's just "oh, you thought THEY were the creators? actually THEY were created by even older gods!". May as well rinse and repeat, since eventually people will ask "well where did the First Ones come from?". Unless we, the players, wind up being "the First Ones", and there's some weird timey-wimey bullshit again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Claymore View Post
    Honestly, that what it seems to me, too. Nothing about "the First Ones" ISN'T just like previous Titan lore. It's just "oh, you thought THEY were the creators? actually THEY were created by even older gods!". May as well rinse and repeat, since eventually people will ask "well where did the First Ones come from?". Unless we, the players, wind up being "the First Ones", and there's some weird timey-wimey bullshit again.
    The Titans never created the Universe. Not even in old lore is that ever stated. Stop spreading bullshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    Has it occurred to anyone that Steve Dansuer throws in new lore revelation without thinking about their implications on the larger universe?
    Anyone with two brain cells to rub together should have realized that by now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Seeing these mystical creatures of the Afterlife as glorified automatons is so goofy, once again Shadowlands proves to be dogshit in its world-building. The sooner this filler is over, the better.
    The problem is that it's not going to get any better. BfA to now has proved as soon as they hit rock bottom, they dynamite their way through and keep digging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelly View Post
    Actually they are recycling the Titans. At least that's how I'm viewing it, a godly force responsible for creation and order.
    I called "Titans but Titan-ier" during the beta. People didn't want to believe it.
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