Melee Hunter guide - PvE DPS Physical Melee Hunter

[chrisnumbers]

Nice guide on paper, but unfortunately in practice it isn't a real thing.

[Doffen]

Love it!

Bring back Monkey and Pack in retail too!

[VideoGamePlayer]

And you're gonna steam rolled by any ranged because you're busy spending so much to try and make Hunter something it isn't and you're neglecting a lot of your ranged attack boosts

You have many more tools innately to fuck with a caster than a warrior does.

[Kithelle]

You have many more tools innately to fuck with a caster than a warrior does.

Yeah...you don't have charge or intercept to catch up to them in melee
You don't have a melee or ranged interrupt because you're too busy having to hybrid hard just to try and make your silly spec viable
All your dodge and parry you went to stack is meaningless against them
If they're smart enough to take out your pet first you got nothing (You also need to stop your dps to heal your pet)
Two of your best damage increasing tools only increase ranged dps...so you and your pet our out in melee
In melee you're like a watered down Ret or Enhancement where you have but a few abilities on cooldowns, but you don't have anything like seals or windfury
In ranged you'll be just a watered down BM because instead of damage you're spending points on melee defense

[jackofwind]

You have many more tools innately to fuck with a caster than a warrior does.

You 100% don't, at all. 90% of your actual burst is useless if you're sitting in the deadzone because you're trying to wing clip and raptor strike your way to victory.

[hzjf]

This is why blizzard made the worst spec in retail.. hunter never been the same since

you are clueless

[Devilyaki]

you are clueless

So just ruined one of the three physical range specs just for the fun of it? Not cause of meme specs like this people made in vanilla?

[VideoGamePlayer]

You 100% don't, at all. 90% of your actual burst is useless if you're sitting in the deadzone because you're trying to wing clip and raptor strike your way to victory.

Your burst is wyvern sting-immo trap-raptor strike. it's unavoidable bar a resist. would take a top 0.1% player to keep you in a deadzone forever.

Yeah...you don't have charge or intercept to catch up to them in melee
You don't have a melee or ranged interrupt because you're too busy having to hybrid hard just to try and make your silly spec viable
All your dodge and parry you went to stack is meaningless against them
If they're smart enough to take out your pet first you got nothing (You also need to stop your dps to heal your pet)
Two of your best damage increasing tools only increase ranged dps...so you and your pet our out in melee
In melee you're like a watered down Ret or Enhancement where you have but a few abilities on cooldowns, but you don't have anything like seals or windfury
In ranged you'll be just a watered down BM because instead of damage you're spending points on melee defense

conc shot/wyvern sting and cheetah in between casts is enough to close the gap, not to mention you're draining their mana the whole time you don't have wyvern sting up. Let's say you're rooted at range, with a fast ranged wep and 1.0 attack speed pet you have the best pushback in the game. I actually played this in classic so I know it works, have you?

[Flinkx]

Any logs to back up this going above and beyond expectations?

[Azadina]

Isn't spamming Wing Clip delaying autoattacks? If so, why would one do that in the vain hope of triggering windfury (that melee hunter likely will never get to be graced with).

[Kithelle]

Your burst is wyvern sting-immo trap-raptor strike. it's unavoidable bar a resist. would take a top 0.1% player to keep you in a deadzone forever.


conc shot/wyvern sting and cheetah in between casts is enough to close the gap, not to mention you're draining their mana the whole time you don't have wyvern sting up. Let's say you're rooted at range, with a fast ranged wep and 1.0 attack speed pet you have the best pushback in the game. I actually played this in classic so I know it works, have you?

If you go deep enough to get wyvern then you lose out on much needed pet dps and lose a stun. All it takes is a spec of damage to shut cheetah down.

You can only use one sting at a time and if you're using viper sting there goes a even bigger chunk of your ranged damage. Any caster worth their mettle will have pushback resistance

Yeah sure you have...just like you had to flat out lie your ass off about Warriors...you obviously know nothing about them so why should I believe you know anything about this at all? You're just like the people who insist playing enhancement/ret in raids...only they actually have some utility

[hzjf]

So just ruined one of the three physical range specs just for the fun of it? Not cause of meme specs like this people made in vanilla?

survival was always meant to be the melee spec. alot of the talents even indicated that. in fact it WAS a Melee Spec before Release

[archelos91]

pretty sure you lose to a nova and standing in dead zone

[hzjf]

you were so close to admitting the truth. No, it's not that they can't or range would complain, it's that they just can't. There's a reason why it was scrapped entirely for so many expansions, because it just flat sucked

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yes and Ehn for shaman were supposed to be a tank spec as well. Funny how design and application don't always work out right

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they're literally less damage than ret paladins with the survivability of less than a rogue. It was always a very bad build and always will be. The reason why some of these people think it worked in vanilla is because there were so many people that were just awful at the game and they think being able to win duels against people that can barely understand two buttons means they were a success.

and now it works for 6 years. whats your point ?

[Chilela]

Any logs to back up this going above and beyond expectations?

I went down the rabbit hole a bit and couldn't find any. OP does have a Discord for melee hunters, though, for what it's worth. But I'm curious how this does in comparison to similarly-skilled "Correct build" hunters.

[jackofwind]

I went down the rabbit hole a bit and couldn't find any. OP does have a Discord for melee hunters, though, for what it's worth. But I'm curious how this does in comparison to similarly-skilled "Correct build" hunters.

The best Hunters melee weave and will utterly shit on pure melee builds. That goes for PvE and PvP, where you can still get big Raptor Strike slaps after you've already unloaded your ranged burst and cc'd your target.

There's literally no reason to go pure melee and willfully throw away 75% of your kit.

[VideoGamePlayer]

If you go deep enough to get wyvern then you lose out on much needed pet dps and lose a stun. All it takes is a spec of damage to shut cheetah down.

You can only use one sting at a time and if you're using viper sting there goes a even bigger chunk of your ranged damage. Any caster worth their mettle will have pushback resistance

Yeah sure you have...just like you had to flat out lie your ass off about Warriors...you obviously know nothing about them so why should I believe you know anything about this at all? You're just like the people who insist playing enhancement/ret in raids...only they actually have some utility

Much needed pet dps? Pet dps is fine even with zero BM talents. With full BM your pet can solo people, that's a fun but different build.

Serpent sting's piddly and mana inefficient damage is nothing compared to the value of ooming people. An oom enemy is utterly helpless. These two points show me that you're of the mindset of a PvE player.

Cheetah in between casts is a skill but it's very simple in classic, all you really need to keep track of is fire blast and shadowburn. Other abilities (even hunter shots which you can track with a swing timer) have a visible missile or cast bar, just switch to another aspect before it lands.

DPS casters don't have pushback resistance on their most important spells without shields. Ice barrier and PW:S gets eaten quickly by damage. VW sacrifice is annoying, you can hope to trap the pet before they sac it, but link warlocks are the rock to hunter's scissors no matter your spec.

I haven't lied about warriors at all, you just can't get over your dragonslayer bias. They do great damage in PvE and that's awesome, but they're among the least capable classes in the game on their own. Key word capable eg. they have many situations where there is nothing in their spellbook that can help them.

[VideoGamePlayer]

pretty sure you lose to a nova and standing in dead zone

pet command stay before you enter nova range, pet attack after nova. improved mend pet to remove the possible poly and juke CS

[hzjf]

you mean retail? because it sure af doesn't work in classic/classic tbc. And I've heard survival in retail is still pretty bad

you heard . so you have no knowledge. No its pretty good right now.

[Kithelle]

Much needed pet dps? Pet dps is fine even with zero BM talents. With full BM your pet can solo people, that's a fun but different build.

Serpent sting's piddly and mana inefficient damage is nothing compared to the value of ooming people. An oom enemy is utterly helpless. These two points show me that you're of the mindset of a PvE player.

Cheetah in between casts is a skill but it's very simple in classic, all you really need to keep track of is fire blast and shadowburn. Other abilities (even hunter shots which you can track with a swing timer) have a visible missile or cast bar, just switch to another aspect before it lands.

DPS casters don't have pushback resistance on their most important spells without shields. Ice barrier and PW:S gets eaten quickly by damage. VW sacrifice is annoying, you can hope to trap the pet before they sac it, but link warlocks are the rock to hunter's scissors no matter your spec.

I haven't lied about warriors at all, you just can't get over your dragonslayer bias. They do great damage in PvE and that's awesome, but they're among the least capable classes in the game on their own. Key word capable eg. they have many situations where there is nothing in their spellbook that can help them.

Okay okay...you proven it, you've proven you don't know what the hell you're talking about and just making up shit to try and justify your lousy play style

Warlock has fear, curse of weakness, and daze/stun potential depending on what spec...they can also drain your mana
Frost Mage has a million tools to shut down your pet, Fire Mage has some of those tools, stun potential, and pushback resistance
Shadow Priest has multiple defensive like bubble, martyrdom, and potential to stun, they can also drain your mana
Elemental can shut down your pet with totems, so you either can attack them or attack totems and they can lol goodbye with ghost wolf easily
Hunters who spec for ranged instead of pretending they're melee will eat you because they have the same tools and more ranged power

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pet command stay before you enter nova range, pet attack after nova. improved mend pet to remove the possible poly and juke CS

So you need to stop all dps just for a chance to cleanse...and then all they need to do is smack them with a frostbolt and blink away...or are you gonna spend your whole time channeling mend pet in hopes to keep them moving at full speed?

The only things you have in your bag of tricks are a slow mana drain and fast attack pet...which would be 10x more efficient if you actually played ranged and didn't try and pretend you're a warrior. No matter what you do, focusing on melee leaves you more vulnerable than a sensibly specced Hunter. You lack tools that dedicated melee specs have and you ignore tools that your class is built with, your whole strategy is mana drain and win against ranged and your whole strategy against melee is dodge/parry and win

Oh and if you really knew anything about this spec and your game you'd know I wasn't talking about serpent but wyvern sting, which you yourself brought up as a gap closer tool