School in Texas Suspending Male and Nonbinary Students for Long Hair

[Elegiac]

Actually, scratch that. You're talking about class divide. I'm talking about lowering financial burden on parents. My stance has never been removing class divide. It's always been it's better on the finances of the parents.

And I would argue otherwise since uniforms often tend to be a vehicle for exploiting a captive market on the part of schools.

It is not a sufficient reason to justify the restriction on self-expression as well as the cultural indoctrination that uniforms serve.

[Egomaniac]

And I actually can't imagine it is that cheap either. You'd need to take into account things like afterschool clothes, replacing clothes, replacing uniforms, buying clothes throughout the year, etc, to really get a good view of whether or not it actually works. You can't just say that 4-5 uniforms cost $150 bucks and parents pay $500 dollars a year on clothes, without really getting into the details of what that entails.

Also, just to add on to that, while it might possibly save money in the long run (again, I'm skeptical of that).... the up-front cost is often more expensive. You can't just buy stuff ad hoc. The kids need at least one full uniform (probably several) on day one. That can be tougher for families living paycheck to paycheck.

[Yuujin]

Also, just to add on to that, while it might possibly save money in the long run (again, I'm skeptical of that).... the up-front cost is often more expensive. You can't just buy stuff ad hoc. The kids need at least one full uniform (probably several) on day one. That can be tougher for families living paycheck to paycheck.

That's a good point too. It isn't like you can wait around for school uniforms to go on sale where as parents who may be stretched for money might have better opportunities for purchasing less expensive clothes. Yeah, I can see why this could be much harder on poorer families, especially if they have multiple school aged kids.

[Dezerte]

I grew up with no school uniforms, and I'm against them for reasons mentioned already - cost and repression. I was curious if there was any studies on this subject and there were some. Some argued and concluded that wearing school uniforms helped reduce bullying and increase school discipline, while other studies showed no effect or even negative effects (i.e. more bullying, less school discipline).

[ldev]

Just like in Soviet Union circa 1965. Texas is now communist state?

[NED funded]

People getting upset about hair length are violating the religious rights of some students. Respect the freedom of religion asshats.

Most schools allow students and parents to submit religious exemptions. If not sue them and you are more than likely to win that lawsuit

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School uniforms don't fix the issue of bullying. The poor kid will still b picked on for being poor. The fat kid will still be picked on for being fat.

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And here I thought "respecting people's rights" were the kind of community values you'd want a school to be passing down to it's students.

yaaawn

People's rights are respected. Yall are acting like prohibiting long hair as is (No religious reason provided) is a violation of their human rights

[JohnBrown1917]

People's rights are respected. Yall are acting like prohibiting long hair as is (No religious reason provided) is a violation of their human rights

Nah, they are just shitty conservative values that have no place in schools.

[Egomaniac]

yaaawn

People's rights are respected. Yall are acting like prohibiting long hair as is (No religious reason provided) is a violation of their human rights

Because it is. Freedom of expression is covered by the first amendment.

[Doctor Amadeus]

If it's a private school and private institution then I don't see a problem with it, I don't particularly care for the source of this BS code, I DO however support school uniforms and dress codes while in school. School is for learning it's not a fashion show.

[Zan15]

Because it is. Freedom of expression is covered by the first amendment.

umm, not in a school. Unless that school is a state run school, thus protecting you from the govt messing with your 1st.

Even then its murky since most public schools are not run by the govt, only funded by them.

[Egomaniac]

umm, not in a school. Unless that school is a state run school, thus protecting you from the govt messing with your 1st.

Even then its murky since most public schools are not run by the govt, only funded by them.

Sure, there's room to weasel around it. But it's like having mandatory prayer in public schools. Now, they're stopping right before the line of making it a "christian values" thing...but I mean...we can all see it.

[Cthulhu 2020]

If anyone thinks uniforms stop bullying, I've got a bridge to sell you.

If someone bullies you for your clothes one day, and then you both wear uniforms the next day, that bully is still going to bully you. Bullies latch onto targets in schools and harass them for whatever reason they can dream up. Bullying doesn't cease because of school uniforms.

[Chipped coin]

Nah, they are just shitty conservative values that have no place in schools.

Why not?

I would rather schools be as apolitical as possible but barring that should they not encourage their student body to engage with multiple different values to test and compare the strengths and weaknesses of each?

[Egomaniac]

Why not?

I would rather schools be as apolitical as possible but barring that should they not encourage their student body to engage with multiple different values to test and compare the strengths and weaknesses of each?

Not sure how banning long hair in male/non-binary students "engages with multiple different values".

[Chipped coin]

Not sure how banning long hair in male/non-binary students "engages with multiple different values".

Yeah it doesn't I kind of got lost in what I was trying to say. I meant I don't see an issue with a dress code then meant that second bit as a seperate point.

[PC2]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...chool-n1282048

There's always some authoritarians who don't want other people to have freedom, even in regards to their own body.

However suspending a kid for breaking a societal norm like this isn't nearly as bad as coercing kids into the classroom in the first place.

[Endus]

There's always some authoritarians who don't want other people to have freedom, even in regards to their own body.

However suspending a kid for breaking a societal norm like this isn't nearly as bad as coercing kids into the classroom in the first place.

Boys having short hair is in no way a "societal norm" in Western nations.

[postman1782]

There's always some authoritarians who don't want other people to have freedom, even in regards to their own body.

However suspending a kid for breaking a societal norm like this isn't nearly as bad as coercing kids into the classroom in the first place.

Look at every time period in history, boys and men, had long hair, even having braids, pony tails and man buns.

[PC2]

Look at every time period in history, boys and men, had long hair, even having braids, pony tails and man buns.

Sure, I should have said a "norm" in my context or sub-region. Obviously it varies across regions and time.

I just do a buzz cut because it works with my head shape. What would I do with a pony tail? Brush it? I'd rather be doing anything else.

[Egomaniac]

Sure, I should have said a "norm" in my context or sub-region. Obviously it varies across regions and time.

I just do a buzz cut because it works with my head shape. What would I do with a pony tail? Brush it? I'd rather be doing something else.

And that's fine. You choose to keep your hair cut short. Others like to grow it out.