Dragonflight Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Raetary]

I doubt they'll try to compete with Endwalker, we are getting PTR either today or tomorrow.

If it wasn't for the one week off for Thanksgiving we'd have gotten the PTR last week.

[Kiivar86]

Endwalker early access is this week anyway (Friday) so if anything a PTR this week could be seen as their usual MO of putting out something around a competitor.

[OrangeJuice]

This is like perfect summary of part of community that really should move on.

I don't play the game anymore. I just enjoy shitting on Blizzard because they deserve it. This community is to discuss WoW not just circle-J it, so learn to deal with me and people who share my views. I've said it 100x to people like you that if you enjoy the game so much then why are you here instead of playing it? I've been coming to MMO champ since like WOTLK but I just made an account this year, because I don't play anymore. When I did play, I didn't give a single F what people on the forums were saying, and honestly didn't even read these. I just came here for the news.

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The game launches Friday at like 3 AM.

Then I think PTR will go up either this Thursday if they're desperate or next Tuesday if they're desperate to prove they aren't desperate. lol.

[Relapses]

I don't play the game anymore. I just enjoy shitting on Blizzard because they deserve it. This community is to discuss WoW not just circle-J it, so learn to deal with me and people who share my views. I've said it 100x to people like you that if you enjoy the game so much then why are you here instead of playing it? I've been coming to MMO champ since like WOTLK but I just made an account this year, because I don't play anymore. When I did play, I didn't give a single F what people on the forums were saying, and honestly didn't even read these. I just came here for the news.

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Then I think PTR will go up either this Thursday if they're desperate or next Tuesday if they're desperate to prove they aren't desperate. lol.

...if Blizzard were desperate they would've forced the PTR before the holiday. Quit trying to invent a narrative out of nothing.

[Dracullus]

I don't play the game anymore. I just enjoy shitting on Blizzard because they deserve it. This community is to discuss WoW not just circle-J it, so learn to deal with me and people who share my views. I've said it 100x to people like you that if you enjoy the game so much then why are you here instead of playing it? I've been coming to MMO champ since like WOTLK but I just made an account this year, because I don't play anymore. When I did play, I didn't give a single F what people on the forums were saying, and honestly didn't even read these. I just came here for the news.

It's official people, nirvana has been achieved. You can't get more stereotypical than this. xD

[OrangeJuice]

...if Blizzard were desperate they would've forced the PTR before the holiday. Quit trying to invent a narrative out of nothing.

Well they planned on it so you just enforced the point everyone is making. The only reason it was delayed is because FF was delayed. Now the question is are they more desperate to keep up their charade of confidence in their product or are they desperate to keep you from discovering better games?

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I just don't even at this point. Not worth arguing with people who just want to shit on companies "Cause they deserve it."

Endwalker early access is this week anyway (Friday) so if anything a PTR this week could be seen as their usual MO of putting out something around a competitor.

Maybe something playable may happen in the last part of 2021 but it will go into 2022.

[Varx]

What if the next expansion has us go into the protolands.

The 5 new zones are the remaining 5 zereths

[OrangeJuice]

I just don't even at this point. Not worth arguing with people who just want to shit on companies "Cause they deserve it."




Maybe something playable may happen in the last part of 2021 but it will go into 2022.

Looking through your post history its 99.9% you shitting on the people that are shitting on WoW. How do you consider it not worth if its literally all you do? Your post history proves so you cant even deny it. How is shitting on shitters "better" than shitting on Blizzard? What is the difference?

[Makabreska]

I don't play the game anymore. I just enjoy shitting on Blizzard because they deserve it. This community is to discuss WoW not just circle-J it, so learn to deal with me and people who share my views. I've said it 100x to people like you that if you enjoy the game so much then why are you here instead of playing it? I've been coming to MMO champ since like WOTLK but I just made an account this year, because I don't play anymore. When I did play, I didn't give a single F what people on the forums were saying, and honestly didn't even read these. I just came here for the news.

You do realize what you just said can be fully 180° at you?

This community is to discuss WoW not just shit on it.

Learn to deal with people who like playing the game.

If you hate the game so much then why are you here instead of playing something else?

etc.

Can't people look critically at what they are typing nowadays?

[Relapses]

Well they planned on it so you just enforced the point everyone is making. The only reason it was delayed is because FF was delayed. Now the question is are they more desperate to keep up their charade of confidence in their product or are they desperate to keep you from discovering better games?

Or, get this -- Blizzard doesn't give a single fuck about the timing of their PTR and you're the one pulling some weird fucking narrative where they're scared of the release date for another video game out of thin air.

[OrangeJuice]

You do realize what you just said can be fully 180° at you?

This community is to discuss WoW not just shit on it.

Learn to deal with people who like playing the game.

If you hate the game so much then why are you here instead of playing something else?

etc.

Can't people look critically at what they are typing nowadays?

I didn't tell him to go away I just attacked his argument. So no it can't be uno'd back to me.

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Or, get this -- Blizzard doesn't give a single fuck about the timing of their PTR and you're the one pulling some weird fucking narrative where they're scared of the release date for another video game out of thin air.

Ok we'll see then.

I'm just going to throw out a wild guess here, completely random, just of the top of my head, that the PTR was delayed to somewhere around Dec 7th, for no particular reason whatsoever. Just totally random.

I said this 2 weeks ago for reference.

[Raetary]

so learn to deal with me and people who share my views.

You literally just admitted that your sole reason for being here is to throw shit at Blizzard, despite the fact that you have no active interest in their product or the company itself anymore, your views hold no value and are not worth discussing.

[Cherry123]

I hope FF will be delayed again for a month, this great trolling

[Makabreska]

I didn't tell him to go away I just attacked his argument. So no it can't be uno'd back to me.

Eh, no. For you discussing the game is not "circle jerking" over it, yet you have no probs with the opposite - shitting on it. You tell others to deal with you and your views, yet you have shown problems with dealing with theirs. And you ask why people, who love the game, are here instead of playing, yet you (who hate it) is also here, instead of doing something else. This is such an obvious hypocrisy I am really surprised you didn't notice it yourself. Or maybe you did.

[AngerFork]

Dungeons and raid themselves had "major flaws" at the outset. They were given the time and attention to grow as features, though. Unfortunately, they are the prime content to which all other forms are now secondary, and those "secondary" systems, which were the primary source of entertainment for many, are no longer receiving development unto themselves. And heaven forbid any of them actually make the leap from one expansion into the next!

Also, many of the flaws you point out, I would argue, are simply matters of preference rather than actual integral flaws. Unfortunately, the current team has a very narrow view of what a "WoW player" is and, if content doesn't fit into that box, they force it in. Warfronts are a prime example. I love the idea of being a cog in a machine. That isn't going to appeal to everyone. But in the attempt to make it appeal to everyone, they kneecapped the potential of the content. The AI is boring and prescriptive. There is a "solution" to the Warfronts that isn't present in any RTS worth its salt. That solution needs to be there to make it palatable to the masses (even if they'd rather be doing anything else), but it also makes it so that Warfronts do not appeal to who should be their core audience of RTS enthusiasts.

In short, all of these forms of "secondary" content are flawed. But they are flawed by design, not in concept.

I feel like Warfronts were a decent idea, but without a great way to follow through with them. Part of what works with RTS games is that you are doing so much in the entire area that you don't have to worry as much about long build/capture times. I feel like they might've been partially salvageable with more going on during those down times...which IMO is why Heroic Warfronts at least felt a bit better for a time. But even with that, they would have to put so much to do into Warfronts that by the end it wouldn't feel like an RTS anyhow, which means that you would essentially be turning that concept into a Frankenstein of itself.

Even if you made them work, the question is would it feel like World of Warcraft does or like something else. Warfronts, Torghast, Covenants...those don't feel like WoW to me even though they are part of the game now. I'd rather see the team focus on making a game that feels like World of Warcraft initially was rather than the weird side pieces that we've had recently. Dungeons, Raids, zones to explore...stuff that we all know & love rather than having to grind up anima to build up a sanctum while FOMO-watching world quests for my conduit so I can have the equipment needed just to do the raiding I came here to do in the first place. And when I hear something is going to be "innovative" & "ambitious", I'm hearing that the team is going to be spending a lot of time making something that may well not feel like WoW when it has been created. Hence why I want less ambitious for 10.0.

[OrangeJuice]

Eh, no. For you discussing the game is not "circle jerking" over it, yet you have no probs with the opposite - shitting on it. You tell others to deal with you and your views, yet you have shown problems with dealing with theirs. And you ask why people, who love the game, are here instead of playing, yet you (who hate it) is also here, instead of doing something else. This is such an obvious hypocrisy I am really surprised you didn't notice it yourself. Or maybe you did.

I haven't shown any problems with dealing with anything? I literally just attack arguments that are wrong. As for whatever else you're saying, I mean its kind of a no brainer. If you hate something you don't do it. If you love something you do it. Come on.. These are weak points that you're really reaching for.

[ExiHext]

I don't play the game anymore. I just enjoy shitting on Blizzard because they deserve it. This community is to discuss WoW not just circle-J it, so learn to deal with me and people who share my views. I've said it 100x to people like you that if you enjoy the game so much then why are you here instead of playing it? I've been coming to MMO champ since like WOTLK but I just made an account this year, because I don't play anymore. When I did play, I didn't give a single F what people on the forums were saying, and honestly didn't even read these. I just came here for the news.

You must be fun at parties.

[OrangeJuice]

You literally just admitted that your sole reason for being here is to throw shit at Blizzard, despite the fact that you have no active interest in their product or the company itself anymore, your views hold no value and are not worth discussing.

I never said it was my sole reason, although I do like shitting on them. I comment in other forums they're just not as active so theres no point. My points have absolute value. I'm not making shit up like other people. I'm right about 99% of what I say and that bothers people trying to defend Blizzard. Its just their hail mary attempt to get me to leave so they can go back to spreading lies and trolling. I get it. I'm not going anywhere though, so deal with it.

[Makabreska]

I haven't shown any problems with dealing with anything? I literally just attack arguments that are wrong. As for whatever else you're saying, I mean its kind of a no brainer. If you hate something you don't do it. If you love something you do it. Come on.. These are weak points that you're really reaching for.

Ye, and then you come to the forum devoted to the thing you hate and you shit on it. Very healthy.