How did Jailor get Sylvannas' "other half"?

[Jshadowhunter]

I think I'm missing something here...
How did Jailor get hold of it in the 1st place so he would return it to her?
If her soul got split just like Uther's, that means her "good" side should've still gone to the Shadowlands and be judged by the Arbiter, and then sent to its proper realm.
So how in the world did he get her instead???

[Venziir]

Frostmourne claimed her soul, just like Uthers and a bunch of others.

[Aucald]

The "other half" of Uther's soul was also in the possession of the Jailer, as you find it within Torghast during the quest "A Paladin's Soul." The Jailer also appears to be in possession of soul fragments from Blood-Queen Lana'thel, Belo'vir Salonar, Sapphiron, Terenas Menethil, Gavinrad the Dire, Halahk the Lifebringer, Anasterian Sunstrider, and Archmage Antonidas. All of whom are direct victims of Arthas via Frostmourne. Based on their presence in the Jailer's special collection within Torghast, it would seem that being slain by Frostmourne brings a portion of a victim's soul to the Maw to be claimed by the Jailer.

[Jshadowhunter]

The "other half" of Uther's soul was also in the possession of the Jailer, as you find it within Torghast during the quest "A Paladin's Soul." The Jailer also appears to be in possession of soul fragments from Blood-Queen Lana'thel, Belo'vir Salonar, Sapphiron, Terenas Menethil, Gavinrad the Dire, Halahk the Lifebringer, Anasterian Sunstrider, and Archmage Antonidas. All of whom are direct victims of Arthas via Frostmourne. Based on their presence in the Jailer's special collection within Torghast, it would seem that being slain by Frostmourne brings a portion of a victim's soul to the Maw to be claimed by the Jailer.

THose are just fragments.
Most of Uther was still in Bastion after he died, while the rest was locked inside frostmourne.
So where did Sylvannas' other half go? or is it more shitty writing from the simp who's in charge of writing the story?

[Aucald]

THose are just fragments.
Most of Uther was still in Bastion after he died, while the rest was locked inside frostmourne.
So where did Sylvannas' other half go? or is it more shitty writing from the simp who's in charge of writing the story?

Well, there are no "halves" in play here, really. When Arthas slew Sylvanas with Frostmourne, a portion of her soul wound up in the Maw as the Jailer's trophy and the remainder was extracted and twisted into a Banshee that eventually became the Sylvanas we've known all the time.

[Jshadowhunter]

Well, there are no "halves" in play here, really. When Arthas slew Sylvanas with Frostmourne, a portion of her soul wound up in the Maw as the Jailer's trophy and the remainder was extracted and twisted into a Banshee that eventually became the Sylvanas we've known all the time.

They're LITERALLY HALVES. That's how they're framing it.
So why did Sylvannas' part of soul end up in the Maw, but NOT Uthers?

[Syegfryed]

They're LITERALLY HALVES. That's how they're framing it.
So why did Sylvannas' part of soul end up in the Maw, but NOT Uthers?

yeah, that sounds bananas.

If frotmourne splits a soul, it means one is for the jailer(the bad part) and the other(the good part) goes to whatever the afterlife the soul would go, with Uther was Bastion.

Logically, Sylvanas soul would split, and one go to the jailer then, this part be turned into a banshee, then the other part would go with her afterlife.

But, both parts of sylvanas went to the jailer, one Arthas turned into banshee, the other was imprisoned by him.

[Darkeon]

Aren't retcons fun?

[Aucald]

They're LITERALLY HALVES. That's how they're framing it.
So why did Sylvannas' part of soul end up in the Maw, but NOT Uthers?

It's not how they're framing it, but it's also neither here nor there. And as I said, we literally go retrieve the "half" of Uther's soul from the Maw inside Torghast during the quest "A Paladin's Soul" that's part of the 9.1 campaign series. Uther's soul "half" is *in* the Maw, and so was Sylvanas', but apparently kept in another location.

So "half" of Uther went to the Shadowlands when he died at Arthas' hands, and the other "half" went into Frostmourne and/or the Maw.

[Jshadowhunter]

So "half" of Uther went to the Shadowlands when he died at Arthas' hands, and the other "half" went into Frostmourne and/or the Maw.

And if that's the logic, again: Why didn't part of Sylvanna's soul go to Shadowlands as well like Uther's?

[Venziir]

And if that's the logic, again: Why didn't part of Sylvanna's soul go to Shadowlands as well like Uther's?

Because she was raised into undeath, unlike Uther who stayed dead.

[Aucald]

And if that's the logic, again: Why didn't part of Sylvanna's soul go to Shadowlands as well like Uther's?

Because Arthas' Necromancy prevented it from doing so. He held her soul captive and converted it into an undead being in the form of a Banshee. Arthas didn't raise Uther into undeath unlike he did with Sylvanas. Perhaps if he hadn't done that, there would be a similarly wounded and disoriented Sylvanas in the Shadowlands, struggling with her mourneblade-inflicted wound.

[Raetary]

They're LITERALLY HALVES. That's how they're framing it.
So why did Sylvannas' part of soul end up in the Maw, but NOT Uthers?

Uthers soul shard did end up in the Maw, we literally went into Torghast to retrieve it.
We even found the rest of the souls Frostmourne consumed, which we left there to rot for some reason.

[Jshadowhunter]

Because Arthas' Necromancy prevented it from doing so. He held her soul captive and converted it into an undead being in the form of a Banshee. Arthas didn't raise Uther into undeath unlike he did with Sylvanas. Perhaps if he hadn't done that, there would be a similarly wounded and disoriented Sylvanas in the Shadowlands, struggling with her mourneblade-inflicted wound.

And again, there's the problem about TWO HALVES of a soul, BOTH Uther and Sylvannas are suffering from the same thing. They make a POINT of it.
Uther got killed by Frostmourne, half of his soul was drained into the blade while the other went into shadowlands.
Sylvannas got killed by it, so by all logic, even if she got raised into undeath with one half of her soul, the other half of her would still end up in Shadowlands because she would be judged by the Arbiter, and no soul can get to the Maw without her deciding it.

And there you see why Shadowlands as a concept was a poorly throught out thing to begin with.

[Raetary]

And if that's the logic, again: Why didn't part of Sylvanna's soul go to Shadowlands as well like Uther's?

She was raised.
Uther wasn't.

[Iflash]

Yeah, this one is odd.

Let's go over Uther first.

He was struck down by Arthas, it's unclear if this always happens, or if the light intervened, but half his soul was absorbed by Frostmourne, and the other half was sent to Bastion.

The half that we rescue from Torghast is the one from Frostmourne.

Meanwhile, Sylvannas was also struck down by Arthas, except that he raises her right after. It's unclear what happened there. If we went the Uther route, then half of Sylvannas would have gone to the Arbiter and then sent to an afterlife. Likely Maldraxxus, since she was a general. Except, we know one half was brought back to life, and the other half was kept by the Jailer.

I guess Frostmourne always shatters a soul, but both halves still end up in Frostmourne? Uther was an exception because of the light? (He literally asks for his soul to be saved). When Arthas raises someone back, half of it goes to the new body, and he keeps the other half in Frostmourne, which then ends up in the Maw.

It's kinda dumb tbh. It doesn't make much sense.

[valax]

THose are just fragments.
Most of Uther was still in Bastion after he died, while the rest was locked inside frostmourne.
So where did Sylvannas' other half go? or is it more shitty writing from the simp who's in charge of writing the story?

Uther is all over the place lol , plaguelands , into frostmourne in icc , in the maw , in bastion . Truth is shadowlands screwed with lich king lore so there's no point in trying to connect past canon with new canon

[Zuben]

If they haven't retconned Sylv's Cataclysm novella she experienced a 'tranquil existence' before Arthas raised her as a banshee, so I'm guessing the good (or rather, unspoiled) half of her was funneled to the Jailer via Frostmourne, while our Sylvanas got a brief taste of the Shadowlands.

[Khaza-R]

The characters who were locked in Frostmourne don't make any sense.

If Terenas for example was completely consumed by Frostmourne, unlike Sylvanas and Uther. Then how is he freed after Frostmourne is shattered but also still in the Jailer's possession in the Maw?

[Aucald]

And again, there's the problem about TWO HALVES of a soul, BOTH Uther and Sylvannas are suffering from the same thing. They make a POINT of it.
Uther got killed by Frostmourne, half of his soul was drained into the blade while the other went into shadowlands.
Sylvannas got killed by it, so by all logic, even if she got raised into undeath with one half of her soul, the other half of her would still end up in Shadowlands because she would be judged by the Arbiter, and no soul can get to the Maw without her deciding it.

And there you see why Shadowlands as a concept was a poorly throught out thing to begin with.

Part of that is down to your insistence that the souls were "halved," when what the Jailer possesses are referred to as fragments, only portions or pieces. There's also nothing that denotes either portion of the said soul as "good" or "evil," either - the part of Uther in the Shadowlands isn't evil by any means, only misguided and used by Devos due to its suffering. The Forsworn Uther retains all his former nobility and kindness, it's how he comes to see through Devos and tries to fix what he'd been manipulated into doing. Similarly with Sylvanas, while her split selves appear diametrically opposed, we know Banshee Sylvanas still retains some of her former humanity (such as a love for Nathanos and her sister Vereesa).

Basically put, the way I view it was that the Maw and Frostmourne were basically one, with the space inside Frostmourne (the one we see during the Lich King fight) being an extrusion of the Maw into our reality. When a soul was consumed by Frostmourne, it was splintered into many possible parts. A portion taken deeper into the Maw by the Jailer's will, and a portion remaining in the blade's prison. In Uther's case, he called upon the Light to safeguard his soul and it did, to a degree - fracturing it and sending a wounded part to the Shadowlands, and leaving behind the fragments in the blade and in the Maw. In Sylvanas' case, the fragmentation was down to Arthas' desire to torture her - pulling her soul out of Frostmourne (an act shown possible by the Halls of Reflection encounters), "breaking" it in the process, leaving a portion trapped in the Maw and the greater portion trapped in an undead state, tormented both by the horrors of undeath and by the sundering of the soul.