It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
So you are saying the entire thousands of years plan of the Nathrezim hinged on a band of adventures defeating a titan in the home base of the burning legion after Illidan opened a portal after defeating Gildan? How do they plan for that with how many different variables are involved.
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Is this not what everyone thought it was to begin with?
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It's Sargeras's objective because it's the Void Lords' objective since if even one (1) world soul is corrupted it can be used to destroy the universe. Out of all the problems of this plot, the Bald Man using Azeroth as fuel because it's powerful enough to remake the world into an fantasy where impossible things like him actually being an interesting characer are possible is entirely in keeping with prior lore. Hell, Sargeras himself vascillated between penetrating the planet with one sword or the other.
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Calling it now, this is misinterpreted and the "red ball which broke the arbiter" is not Argus.
I'm hoping that this is the route that they'll take. It is the only thing that can make me look at the lore in a decently serious way again.
Instead of calling him deceptively cunning, I'd have a much easier time accepting a description like.. unbelievably lucky. At least that isn't a foreign concept; he simply had luck.
I really dont want to be seen as defending this awful lore but its possible just his birth could eventually result in death systems breaking and us beating him had the same result but sooner. We still really dont know the purpose of breaking the death systems (beyond more souls going to the maw) because we dont really know what the jailer is doing with how awful this writing is. Its pretty clear there was another intended patch that would explain things but instead they squished too much into 9.1
I don't think her being corrupted would matter as long as she still had enough lifeforce or what ever he could use to wipeout the universe.
It is funny how well connected Zovaal is to the knowledge of the universe when the other Eternal Ones aside from Denathrius are almost completely oblivious to wtf is going on.
If Zovaal didn't directly plan the Argus outcome seems odd he start escalating his plans before it happened? (placing Slyvannas on the throne).
That or two incredible opportunities vital to his plan happened in short order. Ie a Warchief dying (who could be easily manipulated by you based on his faith) so your minion can take his place and start a war AS WELL AS the arbiter braking.
So ethier Zovaal is the greatest strategist ever or got incredibly lucky he could position his minions to ramp the death count exactly as those souls would come to him...
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Okay, but the problem is (and this is to demonstrate the issues with the lore) Ysera was of Elune, not of life. Unless Elune is of life somehow (and it is a possibility but there's been nothing to confirm this in any way) then Ysera was of something else entirely. And, to my knowledge, she was the only dragon we've found in the Shadowlands. Surely Neltharion would also be there somewhere right? Unless he was absolutely corrupted by void to the point where his soul was sent to wherever Old Gods go.
I should also point out, Wild Gods have some sort of deal arranged with the Winter Queen where they regrow in the pods after they die until they're ready to return to the material plane
Could I ask where that's discussed? I think I missed that info.
Anyways, all my points here aren't designed to be contrary but to show how nothing here makes sense. The mechanics of which the laws of the universe are suppose to abide by are constantly broken and rehashed time and time again, there is no consistency. So, sentient being X dies, and will go to either the shadowlands, or maybe they go straight to Ardenweld, or maybe they go to the Twisting Nether, or maybe they go somewhere else depending on a host of different rules that only apply in very niche circumstances that seemingly contradict the lore of the universe.
Another thing I want to point out. Remember in Icecrown when the paladin dies and the Naaru are there and they promise to deliver his soul? What about that? Is there a seperate afterlife for those who follow the light? If so, why is Uther in the Shadowlands? If not, what was the deal with that? It's just maddening.
Zovaal being a ruthless opportunist rather than this 69D chess super-mega-mastermind they're setting him up as already makes him more interesting, doesn't make him step on the toes of previous characters, and generally makes his role in the plot more digestible. So of course the writers who think they perpetually need to escalate everything into meaninglessness won't go towards this route.
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It would have been an interview or something around when SL was announced, don't remember which. But basically demons and elementals work the same way; if they're killed outside of their "plane" then their soul returns to their plane and reconstitutes over time. If they're killed within their plane than they die for real, and their soul breaks down into the base materials of creation again and may eventually become part of a new, different being. And that's essentially how anima works in the Shadowlands, too.
The Paladin in Northrend is an extremely rare example of someone's soul being taken to the realm of Light. But that whole questline was also made in tribute to a real person who died, so it's a special case I wouldn't necessarily expect to see repeated.
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I dont see how his size would have matter. All the titans are massive, Aman'Thul ripped out Y'Shaarj from the planet like a zit. We have known they were massive for years. Having us fight him seems like it wont happen for awhile if ever. Hopefully never.. we shouldn't even be fighting the Jailer if he is *supposedly* the same or higher powerlevel. Hopefully 9.2 will have a good reason for how we even defeated him thats not another macguffin. (Its going to be a macguffin because Blizzard cant write).
As far as the picture you are talking about the earliest one I can find was the 2004 one where his sword is slammed into a planet with Dragons flying around him smaller then his fingers. So he has always been a big boy either way.