(Spoiler)Well then the court martial is as bad as a warchief.

[mysticx]

blood elf assassins and undeads were trained for it, assassination operation when the enemy is not expecting, in a place suited for being sneaky, and when you can turn invisible is not that absurd

that is the utmost truth here, warfare simple just doesn't make sense in wow, just like races that were supposed to be almost extinct being able to pull numbers out of their asses

in some cases with races who reproduce quickly you can understand a quickly growth, but to some like elves and humans is just absurd, blood elves were 90% wipe out, but they pop up fucking everywhere.

Yeah, that struck me as well when i read the "War of thorns"-stories, as powerful as rogues are made out to be, why bother with armies? Send in two dozen rogues and wait a while...

Population figures are... flexible on Azeroth, as you said, the blood elves are "The last remnants" of the high elves after Arthas, but there's enough of them to field armies on a whim, but even orcs, one of the most fast-breeding races, and training as warriors from the moment they can walk, at some point they should just, you know, run out of people, especially since half the fighting they do is among themselves.

But when it's dramatic, we'll see Anduin lamenting about having to send farmers to the front next, only for him to field entire armies again when the plot demands that, Blizz writers just aren't much good at detail, logistics, tactics, characterization...

[Syegfryed]

Yeah, that struck me as well when i read the "War of thorns"-stories, as powerful as rogues are made out to be, why bother with armies? Send in two dozen rogues and wait a while...

Population figures are... flexible on Azeroth, as you said, the blood elves are "The last remnants" of the high elves after Arthas, but there's enough of them to field armies on a whim, but even orcs, one of the most fast-breeding races, and training as warriors from the moment they can walk, at some point they should just, you know, run out of people, especially since half the fighting they do is among themselves.

But when it's dramatic, we'll see Anduin lamenting about having to send farmers to the front next, only for him to field entire armies again when the plot demands that, Blizz writers just aren't much good at detail, logistics, tactics, characterization...

with orcs, trolls and goblins you can understand their population being high because they breed like rabbits, orcs "mature" at age of 13 and back in cata there was a huge growth with older numerous clans coming back like blackrock and the maghar(they don't fight against each other as much other races do tbh).

But with elves is the most absurd, races with long lives rare have children, by this point after all the war and bloodshed all elves would go extinct by now, especially he/be.

But in the end, they rly don' care bout the logistics and worldbuilding anymore, before they even tried to make some sense of it, like, adding a new city, a new clan/tribe, or whatever to explain more numbers

[cocomen2]

Seems people want to know more about elven force-breeding camps, that located underground "Beneath the Tree".



Make Firepaw a warchief, damn put some pandarens on display, orcs vs night elfs for years , so boring.

[mysticx]

with orcs, trolls and goblins you can understand their population being high because they breed like rabbits, orcs "mature" at age of 13 and back in cata there was a huge growth with older numerous clans coming back like blackrock and the maghar(they don't fight against each other as much other races do tbh).

But with elves is the most absurd, races with long lives rare have children, by this point after all the war and bloodshed all elves would go extinct by now, especially he/be.

But in the end, they rly don' care bout the logistics and worldbuilding anymore, before they even tried to make some sense of it, like, adding a new city, a new clan/tribe, or whatever to explain more numbers

You're right there, but just because i'm a nitpicker, i checked WoWpedia's "Warcraft timeline"-page (No idea how reliable they are, but they are most complete), it's currently year 33 (Counting from the original "Warcraft"-game), and "World of Warcraft" started in year 25, so if orcs are mature (As mature as orcs get) at age 13, they must have been born in... (Scrolls up in the timeline-page) the beginning of the third war (So "Warcraft 3: Reign of chaos"), considering the number of orcs (And all other races, but i'm using orcs as an example) that got killed over the expansions, well, let's just say i totally agree with your claim that worldbuilding and suspension of disbelief aren't priorities at Blizz HQ anymore...

[Lynnaroo]

Wow good to know literally nothing on kalimdor has changed over the last 10 years

[Myradin]

While I can see why they wouldn't want to progress the world in a book rather than in game, at the same time its sort of curious why they'd release this now.

This would be better to release after a revamp to help knit things past and future together. Of course, this assumes a revamp is coming, which this book suggests there isn't.

Instead its a book about how nothing changes in this game.

[GreenJesus]

The Alliance has a Death Star while the Horde lives in huts yet they still lose. Sad.

[Syegfryed]

Wow good to know literally nothing on kalimdor has changed over the last 10 years

is actually worse than nothing changing

it changed then regressed to what it was before.

[Ardenaso]

The Alliance has a Death Star while the Horde lives in huts yet they still lose. Sad.

the Horde has the two best arcane races

[GreenJesus]

the Horde has the two best arcane races

The vindicaar with 90% drainei defeated the burnning legion on their homewold. Why can't the draenei with the rest of the alliance beat some orcs? That should just consist of the amount held in prisons in WC3 (who have been widdled down since vanilla) and then a group of kids and teenagers?

[Varodoc]

the Horde has the two best arcane races

No they don't. The Alliance has a race that is so good and advanced in the Arcane that they literally gave Sargeras a boner.

Anything the Sin'dorei can do, the Ren'dorei can replicate it (since they are former Sin'dorei) and better (since they are infused with the Void, which augments their natural abilities).

[Mehrunes]

The vindicaar with 90% drainei defeated the burnning legion on their homewold. Why can't the draenei with the rest of the alliance beat some orcs? That should just consist of the amount held in prisons in WC3 (who have been widdled down since vanilla) and then a group of kids and teenagers?

The "90% Draenei" on top of it hid away from the Legion for 25k years and still needed human potential to lead them. Besides, the way you're phrasing it implies the Vindicaar did the heavy lifting. Meanwhile in the real world, as has been already mentioned in this thread from what I recall, the "death star" in question is actually a can opener at best and only opened the way for the ground troops that did all the heavy lifting.

No they don't. The Alliance has a race that is so good and advanced in the Arcane that they literally gave Sargeras a boner.

Yeah, let's "forget" to mention that the hippies in charge of the race exiled them after the Legion invasion, which led to the creation of one of the very Horde races that @Ardenaso was talking about.

[Magnagarde]

The Kaldorei are a piece of the greater puzzle, which shows that Blizzard doesn't want to finish what they start. The Night Elves should've either been completely driven off from Northern Kalimdor or they should've completely driven the Horde out of it by now. Them mantaining the status quo is just a ridiculous perpetuation of something that makes no sense at this point.

I would've liked to see the night elves establish a capital in Feralas, while NK ends up being a massive battlefront between the Alliance operating out of Azuremyst and Bloodmist Isle and the Horde that is pushing up North from Orgrimmar. This is what I envisioned would happen after Teldrassil was burned down.

[elbleuet]

the Horde has the two best arcane races

The Ren'dorei and the Highborne are Alliance

[Varodoc]

The Ren'dorei and the Highborne are Alliance

And don't forget the Draenei, who were so advanced that they literally left Sargeras speechless.

[Soon-TM]

Wow good to know literally nothing on kalimdor has changed over the last 10 years

This is the book's capital sin: nobody is going to be interested in a book whose sole purpose seems to be upholding the #%&@ty statu quo of Cata.

[Ardenaso]

No they don't. The Alliance has a race that is so good and advanced in the Arcane that they literally gave Sargeras a boner.

modern Night Elves were the lowborn

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The Ren'dorei and the Highborne are Alliance

I don't recall any awesome moments from the Ren'dorei other than their war crimes in Zul'dazar and sending goblins and Zan'dalari civilians in void portals (worse than death);

edit: other than teleporting allies in the Battle of Lordaeron, I'm impressed there but that's a level 6 Human Archmage skill

also the Highborne are so outdated that the Blood Elves see them as a joke

[Varodoc]

modern Night Elves were the lowborn

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I don't recall any awesome moments from the Ren'dorei other than their war crimes in Zul'dazar and sending goblins and Zan'dalari civilians in void portals (worse than death);

edit: other than teleporting allies in the Battle of Lordaeron, I'm impressed there but that's a level 6 Human Archmage skill

also the Highborne are so outdated that the Blood Elves see them as a joke

I'm talking about the Draenei...

You know, the race that was so advanced that they indeed gave Sargeras a boner.

I don't recall any awesome moments from the Ren'dorei

Their existence in itself is awesomeness, as the first mortals in the history of the Cosmos to successfully defy the Shadows' whispers and ascend to a higher state.

The Ren'dorei are awesome purely by existing.

edit: other than teleporting allies in the Battle of Lordaeron, I'm impressed there but that's a level 6 Human Archmage skill

Gameplay =/= Story

[Synvanas]

and sending goblins and Zan'dalari civilians in void portals (worse than death);

despite what Varodoc might believe, that's not a fate "worse than death", it's simply....a death.

They just died immediately died in the Void by shock, and then their souls immediately went to the Shadowlands (okay to the Maw, but still they didn't stay in the Void for "an eternity of torment" or anything like that).

This because, as living beings, their souls are still connected to the Shadowlands, no matter on what plane of existence they die. Just like a Demon, no matter where he dies, will always return to the Twisting Nether.

So...yeah. It's a sneaky and cowardly way the Ren'dorei have to kill opponents, but the dead still go to the Shadowlands, Void didn't claim them at all.

the Ren'dorei and the Highborne are Alliance

until the Ren'dorei and Highborne can produce a magical weapon of mass-destruction that have the potential to wipe out thousands in an instant and destroy a whole city, I would assume...not...yet....

[Varodoc]

despite what Varodoc might believe, that's not a fate "worse than death", it's simply....a death.

They just died immediately died in the Void by shock, and then their souls immediately went to the Shadowlands (okay to the Maw, but still they didn't stay in the Void for "an eternity of torment" or anything like that).

This because, as living beings, their souls are still connected to the Shadowlands, no matter on what plane of existence they die. Just like a Demon, no matter where he dies, will always return to the Twisting Nether.

So...yeah. It's a sneaky and cowardly way the Ren'dorei have to kill opponents, but the dead still go to the Shadowlands, Void didn't claim them at all.



until the Ren'dorei and Highborne can produce a magical weapon of mass-destruction that have the potential to wipe out thousands in an instant and destroy a whole city, I would assume...not...yet....

I'm going to point out two Canonical facts that you obviously missed:

1) It is explicitly mentioned by Danuser that, provided the conditions are met, souls may not actually return to their original afterlife when they die and can instead be subverted. Hence why Argus the Titan of Death went to the Shadowlands instead of the Realm of Order. Since those mortal souls were sent to the Void, the domain of the VOID LORDS, No, it is not granted at all that they'll go to the Shadowlands upon death.

2) The Ren'dorei weapon of mass-destruction is inside them