[TV] The Wheel of Time

[kenn9530]

I’m not even angry anymore your posts are so bizarre it’s funny!

Most ppl liked the show and its rated pretty high, you cant claim something is bad when upwards of 80% of who watched it enjoyed it.

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Actually, we quite literally CAN claim it is bad, as a statement of fact for that matter, because we have other things to objectively compare it to including other shows that did an adaption "right" as well as the literal goddamned source material which is objectively superior no matter how you slice it.

Simply put, it's fine if you "enjoy" it when judged on it's own merits because that's your subjective opinion. It's not fine if you flat out refuse to admit that when you stop judging it solely on it's own merits and start comparing it to other things that it basically just stops holding up as "good", no matter how much you enjoy it otherwise.

You cant claim its bad since that is not backed up by fact, 78% of ppl who watched it enjoyed it, that is not considered bad, the wheel of time is good with how its rated, the witcher series would be considered great for its ratings, you dont have 1 single fact backing you up to claim the series is bad.

There are plenty of good tv series rated similar to wheel of time and they are all good.

[Coniferous]

Most ppl liked the show and its rated pretty high, you cant claim something is bad when upwards of 80% of who watched it enjoyed it.

Sure I can. I like the analogy I used earlier:

Rafe is like a rich kid who got a big inheritance from daddy (Jordan) and he’s a fuckup but it doesn’t matter because the inheritance is so big he can get away with it.

You’ll see a lot of dummies who think that kid is a success based on his obvious wealth, but that doesn’t mean he is.

[bledgor]

All i said is the tv show is good, and that is backed up by the data available, a tv show is there to entertain for a short period of time, but there is only minor adaptations between the book and the tv series, its the same story just altered slightly different, unless you spread out a tv series over 20 or more episodes its going to need to be modified to fit everything in the 8 hours we got.

Minor adaptations? You and I have a pretty big difference in definition of minor, not to mention a lot of the changes they made didn't require more time or even added time (the episode about the warder that died for example).

It takes zero extra time to have Rand deal with the Trolloc army while establishing the power/why people fear the dragon, naming Lews Therin The dragon reborn instead of the dragon, adding some destruction to the future city of legends to establish the threat/why Therin had to cage him, not making every male character seem like an arrogant ass by changing dialogue used, not resorting to pretending a/seemingly half the character die just to heal/resurrect them a few moments later, cutting out Moraine's story telling of the history of two rivers/The Manetheren (which is such a good story), among so many other things that again would take minimal time/no time to do.

The show takes away all the nuances that Jordan carefully wove into the story that give it flavor and depth, and leaves you feeling lacking in so many ways as a result.

You cant claim its bad since that is not backed up by fact, 78% of ppl who watched it enjoyed it, that is not considered bad, the wheel of time is good with how its rated, the witcher series would be considered great for its ratings, you dont have 1 single fact backing you up to claim the series is bad.

There are plenty of good tv series rated similar to wheel of time and they are all good.

Again you confuse correlation with causation, twilight as a 73% rotten tomato score from the audience and that movie is a stinking pile of shit.

[Tyris Flare]

As someone who hasn't read the books so doesn't care about changes. Does the acting get better after its first few epsiodes.

Nope. Pretty bad casting all around.

[Wonderment2]

Nope. Pretty bad casting all around.

I was astounded how even rosemary pike was shit..... Oh well

[kenn9530]

Minor adaptations? You and I have a pretty big difference in definition of minor, not to mention a lot of the changes they made didn't require more time or even added time (the episode about the warder that died for example).

It takes zero extra time to have Rand deal with the Trolloc army while establishing the power/why people fear the dragon, naming Lews Therin The dragon reborn instead of the dragon, adding some destruction to the future city of legends to establish the threat/why Therin had to cage him, not making every male character seem like an arrogant ass by changing dialogue used, not resorting to pretending a/seemingly half the character die just to heal/resurrect them a few moments later, cutting out Moraine's story telling of the history of two rivers/The Manetheren (which is such a good story), among so many other things that again would take minimal time/no time to do.

The show takes away all the nuances that Jordan carefully wove into the story that give it flavor and depth, and leaves you feel lacking in so many ways as a result.

Its the same story told in a different way, its doesnt have to follow the books way of it happening, the tv series is not a copy of the book, its a good solid tv series.

[Surfd]

You cant claim its bad since that is not backed up by fact, 78% of ppl who watched it enjoyed it, that is not considered bad, the wheel of time is good with how its rated, the witcher series would be considered great for its ratings, you dont have 1 single fact backing you up to claim the series is bad.

I can and will when I have other series to compare it to, such as Expanse, Witcher and Game of Thrones, which all somehow managed to adapt a book series and stay substantially more true to the source material instead of skullfucking the shit out of it.

I also literally do not give a single fuck how many other people "enjoy" the show.

First off, it's a meaningless statistic, since people "enjoying" something has absolutely no correlation to if that thing is actually "good" or not. It's entirely possible to "enjoy" things that are mediocre or even bad, because weather you enjoy it or not is entirely subjective, and we have no idea what they are using as a standard of comparison. Do they "enjoy" it because it's literally the first time they have ever seen a fantasy show and have nothing to compare it to? Who knows?

Second off, we have absolutely no idea how that number was reached. How do we know they "enjoyed" the show? Were the given a survey that simply said "did you enjoy this: yes or no?" were they graded on a 10 point scale? If the questionnaire was vague enough, you could totally get people saying that they "enjoyed" it simply because the other answer doesn't fully fit how they really felt about it.

[kenn9530]

Sure I can. I like the analogy I used earlier:

Rafe is like a rich kid who got a big inheritance from daddy (Jordan) and he’s a fuckup but it doesn’t matter because the inheritance is so big he can get away with it.

You’ll see a lot of dummies who think that kid is a success based on his obvious wealth, but that doesn’t mean he is.

Its a good series thats just a fact, just like the arrow, the flash and plenty of other tv shows in the 7 plus rating area, the data has already proven you to be wrong, you can not enjoy it for whatever reason but the show is not bad. Its not the best show ever its just a solid good.

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I can and will when I have other series to compare it to, such as Expanse, Witcher and Game of Thrones, which all somehow managed to adapt a book series and stay substantially more true to the source material instead of skullfucking the shit out of it.

I also literally do not give a single fuck how many other people "enjoy" the show.

First off, it's a meaningless statistic, since people "enjoying" something has absolutely no correlation to if that thing is actually "good" or not. It's entirely possible to "enjoy" things that are mediocre or even bad, because weather you enjoy it or not is entirely subjective, and we have no idea what they are using as a standard of comparison. Do they "enjoy" it because it's literally the first time they have ever seen a fantasy show and have nothing to compare it to? Who knows?

Second off, we have absolutely no idea how that number was reached. How do we know they "enjoyed" the show? Were the given a survey that simply said "did you enjoy this: yes or no?" were they graded on a 10 point scale? If the questionnaire was vague enough, you could totally get people saying that they "enjoyed" it simply because the other answer doesn't fully fit how they really felt about it.

The show is not following the book, its telling the same story in a different way, there are plenty of 5 star rating reviews on amazon its main viewership, the only 1s it got i guess are from books fans who didnt get the same story they wanted. So you are wrong to claim its bad when everything else proves you wrong.

[Coniferous]

Its a good series thats just a fact, just like the arrow, the flash and plenty of other tv shows in the 7 plus rating area, the data has already proven you to be wrong, you can not enjoy it for whatever reason but the show is not bad. Its not the best show ever its just a solid good.

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The show is not following the book, its telling the same story in a different way, there are plenty of 5 star rating reviews on amazon its main viewership, the only 1s it got i guess are from books fans who didnt get the same story they wanted. So you are wrong to claim its bad when everything else proves you wrong.

The show is mediocre because Rafe is doing a bad job with good source material.

[bledgor]

Its the same story told in a different way, its doesnt have to follow the books way of it happening, the tv series is not a copy of the book, its a good solid tv series.

The changes made it worse, and weren't required to be made, that is the issue. Why take something this is massively successful, and make meaningless changes? It only serves to prove that Rafe thinks he is better/smarter/more capable than Jordan in telling a story (for most of the changes, as again there isn't a time issue/more money involved for a lot of them, exp being Moraine telling the story of two rivers history, Rand killing the trolloc army, etc).

It is an egoistical man who is a fucking awful at writing deciding to subjugate a fandom to his fanfic for his own ego and making the story objectively worse as a result.

[kenn9530]

The show is mediocre because Rafe is doing a bad job with good source material.

According to you a bad job is getting upwards of 80% of your viewership to enjoy it, the tv series is about entertainment and its doing a good job.

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The changes made it worse, and weren't required to be made, that is the issue. Why take something this is massively successful, and make meaningless changes? It only serves to prove that Rafe thinks he is better/smarter/more capable than Jordan in telling a story (for most of the changes, as again there isn't a time issue/more money involved for a lot of them, exp being Moraine telling the story of two rivers history, Rand killing the trolloc army, etc).

It is an egoistical man who is a fucking awful at writing deciding to subjugate a fandom to his fanfic for his own ego and making the story objectively worse as a result.

Massively successful is an overstatement, its done good for a book but not great, especially since some books have sold more copies on thier own than the whole wheel of time series, the series is good that is a proven fact by all the available data, just because you prefer the books does not change the merits of the show.

The show is doing its own version of the story, dont watch it if you dont like it, complaining about it wont change anything. The ppl who will never read the books will enjoy it regardless.

[Shadowferal]

A little levity for the hell of it.

[bledgor]

Massively successful is an overstatement, its done good for a book but not great, especially since some books have sold more copies on thier own than the whole wheel of time series, the series is good that is a proven fact by all the available data, just because you prefer the books does not change the merits of the show.

The show is doing its own version of the story, dont watch it if you dont like it, complaining about it wont change anything. The ppl who will never read the books will enjoy it regardless.

How many fantasy series have surpassed it? Not many is the answer, so yes for the genre is a massive success, if we are going to compare it to every book, then by that standard the show is even worse off because many shows/movies have had greater viewers/more enjoyment/made more money. Just because you are okay with the objectively terrible changes doesn't magically make them not terrible.

If the show is doing its own thing then don't take the name of Wheel of time if you are going to ignore/shit on it and many of its themes. If Rafe is so damn awesome he can make his own series, but he didn't he took a series with a fandom because he knew it would reel in an audience compared to if it was his own op named "Turning of the ages" or some other name.

Complaining is a way for people to release frustration at something they can't change, and with your bad logic why are you here defending it if you like it, shouldn't your enjoyment stand on its own and not feel the need to defend it here? The people who enjoy quality story telling and a coherent narrative that is logical are already being turned off, there is a reason SOOO many people hated the finale, and considering the box Rafe is writing himself into it will only get worse.

A little levity for the hell of it.

Funny enough pretty sure the fandom would have totally accepted/laughed at a random scene after this of Spike and Xander in a bed together.

[kenn9530]

How many fantasy series have surpassed it? Not many is the answer, so yes for the genre is a massive success, if we are going to compare it to every book, then by that standard the show is even worse off because many shows/movies have had greater viewers/more enjoyment/made more money. Just because you are okay with the objectively terrible changes doesn't magically make them not terrible.

If the show is doing its own thing then don't take the name of Wheel of time if you are going to ignore/shit on it and many of its themes. If Rafe is so damn awesome he can make his own series, but he didn't he took a series with a fandom because he knew it would reel in an audience compared to if it was his own op named "Turning of the ages" or some other name.

Complaining is a way for people to release frustration at something they can't change, and with your bad logic why are you here defending it if you like it, shouldn't your enjoyment stand on its own and not feel the need to defend it here? The people who enjoy quality story telling and a coherent narrative that is logical are already being turned off, there is a reason SOOO many people hated the finale, and considering the box Rafe is writing himself into it will only get worse.

You are just stating something is false saying something is bad when everything has proven you to be wrong on the matter, the show has been out a few months so comparing viewers of other things that have been out for years is not a good way to validate any point you have. The TV show is better than the books because i will not read them.

The Wheel of Time name is the world, it doesnt need to follow the story, its still the same world and following similar events and ppl, the fandom is just a small fraction of the audience of who has watched the tv series. Rafe has made some good tv series so he is a good writer,.

[Mazza]

You are just stating something is false saying something is bad when everything has proven you to be wrong on the matter, the show has been out a few months so comparing viewers of other things that have been out for years is not a good way to validate any point you have.

The Wheel of Time name is the world, it doesnt need to follow the story, its still the same world and following similar events and ppl, the fandom is just a small fraction of the audience of who has watched the tv series.

It is NOT the same story because those things you claim to be minor adaptations are all but minor. For fuck sake, Rafe even based the ending of his first season on the actual last battle in the LAST BOOK. That alone is a massive change and it isn't even the biggest one

[bledgor]

You are just stating something is false saying something is bad when everything has proven you to be wrong on the matter, the show has been out a few months so comparing viewers of other things that have been out for years is not a good way to validate any point you have.

No, how many millions of people watched almost any of the marvels movies in the first week, or any big movie for that matter? How many millions of people are/were hanging on weekly for the walking dead or Game of Thrones? I have never said that Wheel of Time is getting 0 audience, just that it is a garbage adaptation of a wonderful series, that could EASILY be SIGNIFICANTLY better if the egotistical douchebag in charge stopped dribbling his fanfic into the production and just adapted the books.

The Wheel of Time name is the world, it doesnt need to follow the story, its still the same world and following similar events and ppl, the fandom is just a small fraction of the audience of who has watched the tv series.

Kind of, but not really. People go into the Wheel of time expecting it to be faithful to the books, like was done with LotR and The expanse, instead we got Eragon, so they are rightfully pissed. This is Eragon all over again, so sure, it has the name, you can say it fits the universe and ass pull an in universe reason it works, doesn't make it right. If they wanted to tell a similar but different WoT story then you need to come forward with that at the start, and tell the audience a retelling or a new telling of the WoT story. The major changes (yes major, there have been significant changes that have deep impacts later in the story already made in the first season, things that can't be fixed without large retcons, pretending the audience are idiots, or changing major plot points in the story) have pulled it fairly far from being an adaptation that only Eragon or the Legend of the Seeker are equal in fuck ups.

I am so glad you have the exact number of the fandom and how much they make up the audience, or wait you don't? Maybe you shouldn't be pulling nonsense out of thin air then to justify BAD WRITING. Don't bother to respond, I am quite done with discussing logic with people that hand wave it away.

[Gumble]

Its a good series thats just a fact, just like the arrow, the flash and plenty of other tv shows in the 7 plus rating area, the data has already proven you to be wrong, you can not enjoy it for whatever reason but the show is not bad. Its not the best show ever its just a solid good.

Stopped back in to see how the bickering was going and see that the rhole guy seems to have been replaced by this guy. I guess enough people ignored him he logged on a different account. Sounds like the same person.

Just noting this quote..... the people supporting Rafe of Time A) think CW superhero shows are good and B) that they get good ratings

No wonder it doesn't take much to impress them.

[Xath]

The majority of data proves you wrong, the numbers dont lie, over 90 million copies sold, 14 volumes means around 6.4million fanbase at the most, viewing numbers put the series at least 19 million viewers so far, books had 30 years to get out there tv series is out a few months.

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Cant claim something is bad when you have no taste and the data proves otherwise, its rated over 7, if something is rated over 7 its not bad.

viewing numbers put the series at least 19 million viewers so far

What in the world are you smoking? Are you adding up the total minutes divided by 60 and not dividing further by episode number? Also that is assuming everyone finished the entire book series I am talking purely about eye of the world

[Corvus]

The 19 million viewers was spread over the first three episodes. Since loudly proclaiming 1.16 billion minutes watched in the first week for those first three episodes, Amazon have been silent on numbers.

The numbers can't be what they were wanting, otherwise after spending so much money, you'd want to be advertising how successful it was. Even Amazon seems to have moved on since the final.

[Xath]

The 19 million viewers was spread over the first three episodes. Since loudly proclaiming 1.16 billion minutes watched in the first week for those first three episodes, Amazon have been silent on numbers.

The numbers can't be what they were wanting, otherwise after spending so much money, you'd want to be advertising how successful it was. Even Amazon seems to have moved on since the final.

so really it's around 6.5 if we assume that every viewer watched all 3 episodes.