I've been playing them since the 90's also going back to D1. Expecting the worst is your own choice but I don't think adding an automated grouping tool is the end of the world. I think a lot of people would use it and be fine with it. It would be for people who just want to complete an m+ for the week without having to stress out about their dungeon score or having the right spec to get an invite or people to join their group.
This is pretty much it. It's about trying to figure out how to attract casual players back. Which honestly I've yet to see any solutions given from a lot of players. It's always more of the same--which is just it's not a big deal they left. But the second mythic raiders threaten to leave---STOP EVERYTHING WE CANNOT LOSE OUR MOST VALUABLE PLAYERS! I'm literally laughing at the lack of imagination here.
Their entire self-worth is wrapped up on accomplishments in a game with talking cow ladies in it. You can't reach them. They actually think they are important and valuable. They think they are pro athletes. They actually think we should be thanking them for playing the game.
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Literally if you go back in the thread you can see people worship these players for some reason. I'm sitting here going, why? All I'm asking for is a play and go feature that lets me continually build gear for my character. It's like there's some kind of sacred cow, and this is why I'm posting these threads because it exposes how people think about others. So far the only takeaway I have is people want to exclude people because they think they're more valuable, and don't want to be associated with others.
Furthermore I want to stress this; My brother-in-law is a Actuary. I told him about this, that dude literally balances predictive models based on over 10K lives and tries to tie the chances of getting sick based on age, zip, and what not. I mentioned there's 36 specs and his response was: Any actuarial assistant could do that in a day or two. The math isn't the issue; it's the will.
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They've invented this whole mythology where the entire game relies on mythic raiders and without them the whole thing comes crashing down. It's really funny to anyone who has played other MMOs in particular, because the idea is laughable when no other game relies on this egomaniac freak show to stay alive. They could delete mythic tier entirely tomorrow and the impact on the game would be negligible.
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Oh yes we do need more toxic behavior lol. I see qqing about trolls that they dooming run or tons od leavers. With actual grp making like there is none just pick random 3dps tank n heal wouldnt work well. Rating system and leaving counter maybe yes.
I'm agnostic about keys but whether or not the key system is a bad idea this is worse. I suppose it would have to be implemented to demonstrate how bad it would be but the multiple range of difficulties available would make the system extremely messy. I don't see how it's even workable. Saying "technology" and "they could figure it out" is tantamount to admitting that there is no apparent solution for this.
Besides, automated matchmaking for difficult content is not a tenable thing.
As always, the easiest most direct solution is to start your own group and find the sweet spot where you can easily admit people to a group that a lot of people would want to sign up for. Alternately, be in a guild or start up/find a community of like-minded people that you could trust a bit.
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Anything up to about +5 should be queueable, with a dependence on gear/rating/M+ key in your bags (ie, if they have a +6 key but don't meet the ilevel for some reason, they can still queue). Beyond +5 would still require making a custom group.
Or maybe keep the difficulty for everything up to +5, but get rid of the timers until +6.
If anything, though, we'll likely only get a queue for M0, at the most.
We already have a rating system in terms of r.io and M+ score. But if you mean players grading other players, no that's a bad idea. Just look at the various review scandals on other websites. Or how about those instances of review bombing that we've seen on e-commerce stores?
Also a leave counter (like other punishment systems) just encourages degenerate behavior. As mentioned in other threads, all this would do is make it so that instead of leaving (as folks do now anyway for whatever reason), players would just passively (or actively) sabotage the group until someone else leaves. As the leave counter would go on them (the leaver) instead of the player who wanted to leave in the first place.
Think about the various ways players would attempt to get around this: From just standing at the entrance and shuffling enough to prevent AFK timer to body pulling other packs, standing in fire, not doing mechanics, getting killed over and over while over pulling, etc.
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i'd be ok with normal mythics to have LFD feature after you get to certain ilvl
The foul is that the idea is bad period. There's no positive upside when you compare an automated grouping system to letting players decide their own groups especially in content that is "challenging".
By your logic we should have a queue system for Normal, Heroic and Mythic raids (once CRZ is available) yet we don't.
Again it's not exclusivity but rather players want to play with other players at or above their skill/knowledge level. Nobody really wants to play with players who are less skilled and/or less knowledgeable. Especially when we're looking at PuGs, there's so many unknowns variables about the other players that the quick and reliable information about a player's skill and knowledge is their history of successfully completed dungeons in time and frequency of those dungeons.
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I mean I'll give ya credit at least you're saying you want a smaller playerbase. Which to me tells me you're talking about this in good faith. While I may disagree that's all there is to us on this point.
I think a queue would be good for the game as it would increase more players entry into endgame and could potentially keep them.
I'll end with this; If Ion came out tomorrow and said this is what the devs wanted, I think I'd drop it and move on. But right now they're not they keep trying to do this dance and not comitting.
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