I could agree with this assessment if Tinker wasn't hinted at in BFA and Shadowlands. There has never been any indication of a Dragon class in Warcraft or WoW. Not saying it isn't possible that a dragon-based class is coming next, but such an implementation would be a departure from how Blizzard has brought in classes in the past.
Hence, why it is a mechanical:
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Now you're just being petty. They were there all the way.Yeah, attached to trinkets. Never a pet or a mount. Further, both the Timeless Mechanical Dragonling, and the Steamscale Incinerator are using new models.
Nothing to do with what i said. You'd season everything with tech and consider it better than a techless expansion. Not just Dragons.A Mechanical Dragon mount and pet has something to do with both tech and dragons.
Your account maybe haven't. Your soldier, perhaps.A false accusation. I have never made a leak thread on MMOC.
So, combining two unrelated concepts (tech class in a Dragon expansion) makes sense, but combining the Dark Ranger with the Warden or the Night Warrior isn't? Biased much...?The Dragons don't need to show interest in tech. All we need is Blizzard to be willing to merge the concepts, which they seem willing to do based on those two items.
And once again, a tiny little summon popping out of a trinket is different than a pet and a mount both using new models.
Naver say never. DH were supposed to ship with Vanilla (and later with TBC) but we finally got them a decade later.
Also, Tinker is a pretty flexible concept to fit in Warcraft narrative.
Meanwhile Dark Ranger, Necromancer, Blademaster... they are more restrictive in terms of lore and theme, and have less chances to be added.
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Blizzard (and I) disagree. Adding a class that matches the expansion theme works better than adding a random, disjointed class.
What time skip? Time in SL runs much much faster than on Azeroth. That means that years on SL maybe like seconds on Azeroth.
You can see it when you recue people from The Maw asking how much time they were there "days? years?", when for us it was maybe a few hours (or a couple of days at most) between fleeing and coming back to recue them.
With zero associated/unique abilities, and no major lore character that encompasses their abilities. Demon Hunters are structured to be similar to Illidan, Monks are structured to be like Chen, and Death Knights are structured to be like the Lich King. Those force of warriors are nothing like Wrathion, and from what I remember, they don't have unique abilities that define them as a class.
Okay, but the question is why were the Timeless Mechanical Dragonling and Steamscale brought in?
Or the Tinker concept is simply far more popular than you realize?Your account maybe haven't. Your soldier, perhaps.
Blizzard already combined tech with dragon. I don't know how that would translate into an expansion theme (if it's a hint at all). Dark Ranger, Warden, and Night Warrior on the other hand have never been merged, and are three entirely different concepts.So, combining two unrelated concepts (tech class in a Dragon expansion) makes sense, but combining the Dark Ranger with the Warden or the Night Warrior isn't? Biased much...?
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Why would they need Goblin-centered expansion?
DK required Scourge-based expansion because we didn't have any DKs fighting on player (Alliance/Horde) side.
Monks required Pandaren-based expansion because we didn't have any monks fighting on player (Alliance/Horde) side.
DHs required Legion-based expansion because we didn't have any DH fighting on player (Alliance/Horde) side.
Even in those cases "require" is very strong word. DK/DH/Monk starting story would have easily worked in any expansion. Yeah, DH start would look kinda out of place in Cataclysm for example, but it would work and no one would complain except a couple of lore purists.
In case of Tinkers we had engineers doing stuff and bunch of advanced tech ever since vanilla.
No, they're not. Except, maybe, the Necromancer.
Mechanical dragonflight, perhaps?
Perhaps.Or the Tinker concept is simply far more popular than you realize?
Dark Wardens.Blizzard already combined tech with dragon. I don't know how that would translate into an expansion theme (if it's a hint at all). Dark Ranger, Warden, and Night Warrior on the other hand have never been merged, and are three entirely different concepts.
I wouldn't say entirely different.
Both Maiev and Tyrande have elune-based abilities\talents. Both Sylvanas and Maiev use shadow clones. Two of those concepts use bow and arrow, the other two use Glaives.
I would say they would need a mechanical threat, but they most likely wouldn't be a Hero class.
If I would guess it got to be about the class Tinker 2.
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It's doubtful that it's that on the nose. As I said, the Tinker and expanding Gnome and Goblin lore was teased at the same time as dragon isles and Wrathion were in BFA. The Steamscale Incinerator is sort of a marriage of those teases at the end of BFA, with lore that mirrors the creation of the Dragon Soul. In 9.1 we got the Timeless Mechanical Dragonling which gives off vibes of the Infinite Dragonflight, but also the engineering prowess required to build a mechanical dragon.
I mean if you're grabbing at that straw, then all those mounts would be hints. And that means you have double hints towards 'Lifelands' since you have both a Fae Dragon and Blinky in the pack, and a new DragonMountEmerald buff for a recent tie-in. That's what your evidence is suggesting.
I don't think this is the case though, since the Dragon Pack mounts do not have anything to do with the tie-in patch for next expansion.
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The community that doesn't like gnomes or goblins as a playable race. Why in the world would they introduce a new class for two already established races that are unpopular. Demon hunter used to be the most highly requested and it came in for two of the most popular races and even it isn't close to the most popular class.
The leap in logic in going from Dragons with a mechanical theme and then jumping towards Tinker as a possible class is that tinkers have nothing to do with dragons as a whole. The only way in the slightest possible metric that this would be possible is if the entire expansion was focused on a mechanical dragon flight. There are over 10 already established dragon flights. Do you seriously believe there is even the smallest percentage of a chance that a mechanical dragon flight is going to be the main theme in-order to justify tinker? They are going to be a small part of the expansion, if they are even going to be apart at all.
Yeah, if I actually said BFA was the time for tinker that would be a flaw argument. However, both of us know that isn't what my argument is. My argument that the theme of mechagon as an expansion would've been the time for Tinker. Yet, blizzard gave it half of a patch. The holy grail for Gnomish technology and the heart of the tinker class was reduced to half of a patch where the main focus of that patch wasn't even on Mechagon.
Necromancers and dragons have much more lore together than Tinker and Dragons do. If blizzard was going to choose one of those two classes to add with a dragon expansion, they would choose the one that already has established lore together. However, neither class is going to be added in this expansion.
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It's becoming a conspiracy theory at this point that tinker is going to be the next class. The confirmation bias is genuinely insane
To be fair, the Tinker class doesn't need to be exclusive to Goblins and Gnomes.
Example;
So what you're describing shouldn't be an issue. A Tinker class wouldn't just be a class for Gnomes and Goblins.
I think you're looking too deeply into it. If the mechanical dragons are an actual hint for the next expansion, then that could just mean that there is a mechanical theme and a dragon theme operating in the same expansion. In other words, co-themes, not combined themes.The leap in logic in going from Dragons with a mechanical theme and then jumping towards Tinker as a possible class is that tinkers have nothing to do with dragons as a whole. The only way in the slightest possible metric that this would be possible is if the entire expansion was focused on a mechanical dragon flight. There are over 10 already established dragon flights. Do you seriously believe there is even the smallest percentage of a chance that a mechanical dragon flight is going to be the main theme in-order to justify tinker? They are going to be a small part of the expansion, if they are even going to be apart at all.
Except Mechagon wasn't meant to be it's own expansion, it was meant as a way to introduce Mecagnomes, and to give Gnomes some much needed lore. Also the heart of the Tinker class is goblins, not gnomes. The Tinker hero is a Goblin.Yeah, if I actually said BFA was the time for tinker that would be a flaw argument. However, both of us know that isn't what my argument is. My argument that the theme of mechagon as an expansion would've been the time for Tinker. Yet, blizzard gave it half of a patch. The holy grail for Gnomish technology and the heart of the tinker class was reduced to half of a patch where the main focus of that patch wasn't even on Mechagon.
While I respect your opinion, that opinion isn't really relevant to this conversation.Necromancers and dragons have much more lore together than Tinker and Dragons do. If blizzard was going to choose one of those two classes to add with a dragon expansion, they would choose the one that already has established lore together. However, neither class is going to be added in this expansion.
Sure it does. Craftenium is mentioned as a realm within the Shadowlands, where all ingenius inventors go.
If you're going to Kevin Bacon these connections, then everything's connected in some way.
And thats the point here. Mech Dragons have as much to do with Shadowlands (which is pretty much a meaningless connection) as they would in Dragon Isles. I mean, what would the reason be for the Steamscale to be at Dragon Isles from a lore perspective? Because you think Wrathion would work with the Goblins? The Steamscale wasn't even built by Goblins....
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