Biden / Harris Focused Discussion

[Fugus]

Boring unoriginal regurgitated talking points and just lazy racist lies that are obvious. Just generic unoriginal textbook trumpster.

Got that impression too, read the first 2 or 3 posts from him, then just ignored the rest of his posts along with anyone responding to it. Made it pretty quick to get caught up.

[rrayy]

I verified mine, you don't know what you are talking about. You saying it 'allows illegals to vote' when it clearly does nothing of the sort...you even admitting it doesn't because you can't point to the portion of the bill that allows illegals to vote.

But, I do find it hilarious that you are accusing Democrats of doing exactly what Republicans have done over the last 10 or so years. The projection is strong with you, very Tucker Carlson like.

LOL with what? Voter ID is banned with this "bill". Oh you must have checked a box that says you declare under the penalty of law. That hardly qualifies as verifying.There is no way to prove someone is legal without ID.

I find hilarious that you continue to dogde and deflect away from what is really in the bill by falsely accusing the Republicans. The GOP has done nothing of the sort. They simply want you to prove you are who you say you are and want all polling places and absentee voter boxes properly monitored. The Dems want the wild west to help them, rig elections,

You have to provide ID to drive a car. You have to do it to buy alcohol. But somehow requiring it to vote is racist and bad. Nice projection All very CNN like.

[Dontrike]

ps that "Votng Rights" bill is nothing more than a complete power grab that give the Dems the ability to permanently rig elections in their favor and is blatantly unconstutional. You wanna talk about corrupt shit? Dems in glass houses should not throw stones.

Put down the Fox News script and go do the maze on the back of a cereal box, literally anything else will help you more than that. Once again we see a Republican wants voting to be illegal. Why do you hate voting?

[bladeXcrasher]

LOL with what? Voter ID is banned with this "bill". Oh you must have checked a box that says you declare under the penalty of law. That hardly qualifies as verifying.There is no way to prove someone is legal without ID.

I find hilarious that you continue to dogde and deflect away from what is really in the bill by falsely accusing the Republicans. The GOP has done nothing of the sort. They simply want you to prove you are who you say you are and want all polling places and absentee voter boxes properly monitored. The Dems want the wild west to help them, rig elections, You have to provide ID to drive a car. You have to do it to buy alcohol. But somehow requiring it to vote is racist and bad. Nice projection All very CNN like.

I've proven my identify to vote all the time. What's racist is shutting down polling stations in minority neighborhoods, what's racist is closing DPS offices in minority neighborhoods or near bus terminals. What's racist is reducing early voting time, specifically times that historically are used by African Americans. What's racist is pulling huge swaths of rural voters into minority inner city neighborhoods to dilute their vote.

What you people fair to understand is center left and left leaning people don't hate ID requirements, we hate that you people purposefully make getting valid ID harder for non-white people.

The only one dodging is you, you're the one making baseless claims and not providing supporting data from this bill that you swear up and down is there.

[Machismo]

LOL with what? Voter ID is banned with this "bill". Oh you must have checked a box that says you declare under the penalty of law. That hardly qualifies as verifying.There is no way to prove someone is legal without ID.

I find hilarious that you continue to dogde and deflect away from what is really in the bill by falsely accusing the Republicans. The GOP has done nothing of the sort. They simply want you to prove you are who you say you are and want all polling places and absentee voter boxes properly monitored. The Dems want the wild west to help them, rig elections,

You have to provide ID to drive a car. You have to do it to buy alcohol. But somehow requiring it to vote is racist and bad. Nice projection All very CNN like.

Once again, my ID was verified. You are pushing lies and misinformation.

[Kaleredar]

LOL with what? Voter ID is banned with this "bill". Oh you must have checked a box that says you declare under the penalty of law. That hardly qualifies as verifying.There is no way to prove someone is legal without ID.

I find hilarious that you continue to dogde and deflect away from what is really in the bill by falsely accusing the Republicans. The GOP has done nothing of the sort. They simply want you to prove you are who you say you are and want all polling places and absentee voter boxes properly monitored. The Dems want the wild west to help them, rig elections,

You have to provide ID to drive a car. You have to do it to buy alcohol. But somehow requiring it to vote is racist and bad. Nice projection All very CNN like.

Voter fraud does not exist in an even remotely meaningful way in the United States.

Even if we were to assume the gop was being earnest in their attempts (hint, they aren’t,) they’re seeking to solve a problem that simply does not exist.

Disenfranchising millions of people in the hopes of catching the maybe dozen or so cases of miscast votes each election is not worth it. And what’s more, those miscast votes are caught anyway; that’s how we know about them. Again, the problem does not exist.

Nor is allowing government officials, with no oversight, to discard votes for whatever reason they deem, “worth it.” Oh, the democrat nominee won a GOP controlled state? (See, Arizona, Georgia, etc.) are you willing to give the power to the state governments to arbitrarily decide that they don’t believe the vote totals, not based on any actual truth, but because they don’t like that their side lost so they simply claim there must have been voter fraud?

The GOPs stance on voter fraud is not borne out by evidence. In reality, and as borne out by evidence, all it serves to do is disenfranchise minorities and young people, who routinely vote against GOP interests. Do you think that’s just a happy accident?

Or is that maybe the whole point?

[Endus]

LOL with what? Voter ID is banned with this "bill". Oh you must have checked a box that says you declare under the penalty of law. That hardly qualifies as verifying.There is no way to prove someone is legal without ID.

I find hilarious that you continue to dogde and deflect away from what is really in the bill by falsely accusing the Republicans. The GOP has done nothing of the sort. They simply want you to prove you are who you say you are and want all polling places and absentee voter boxes properly monitored. The Dems want the wild west to help them, rig elections,

You have to provide ID to drive a car. You have to do it to buy alcohol. But somehow requiring it to vote is racist and bad. Nice projection All very CNN like.

And you have to verify your identity to vote.

Let's look at New York, which you pulled out specifically yourself.

https://casetext.com/regulation/new-...n-verification

So, new registrations are verified in the weeks leading up to the election. Old registrations were already verified. They can use identity tools beyond what the applicant may have sent in. If this hasn't/can't be completed before the day they vote, then they will have to produce identification at the polling station to confirm eligibility.

You already have to identify yourself. This is standard in every State, I'm simply citing one of your chosen examples. The "voter ID laws" the Republicans have been trying to pass have, almost exclusively, been intended to shrink what qualifies as identifying papers, to a much narrower list. Not to establish a need to identify the potential voter, to make it more difficult for that voter to so identify themselves, and thus contribute to disenfranchisement. In many cases, these pushes have been directly tied to an explicit intent to target populations which traditionally vote Democratic, disenfranchising legitimate Democratic voters and giving the Republicans an illicit advantage. We know this, because it went to court, and this got proven in court, which is why those laws got overturned.

You are lying. Maybe you're a "true believer" who just repeats whatever some Republican talking head tells you without checking any of the facts for yourself, or maybe you know this is bullshit and you don't care because lies are more useful to you than the truth. Either way, it's reprehensible garbage posting.

Also, calling the center-right neoliberal Democrats "far left" is just a statement of your own extremism and disconnection from reality, not an actual criticism. Even the left-wingers within the Democrats like Bernie Sanders or AOC barely qualify as center-left. They'd fit in just fine with the Liberal Party up here in Canadaland, which is a centrist party; the NDP are significantly more left-wing. OOooOOoo, the scary left wing, actually expressing basic human empathy for those in need and wanting a more-just society.

[Beefhammer]

Because the Democrats have never used it to keep the GOP from doing stuff when the GOP had power right? oh wait... I guarnatee that wen the OP gets power back, every single Democrat wanting it gone will suddnely defend it and ague against removing it. Your entire post can apply to Democrats right now.

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Democrats pulled the same BS with the filibuster during Ws first term when he had a 50/50 split. Democrats are guilty of everything in your post when they are not in power. Hyporisy rules on the left.

ps that "Votng Rights" bill is nothing more than a complete power grab that give the Dems the ability to permanently rig elections in their favor and is blatantly unconstutional. You wanna talk about corrupt shit? Dems in glass houses should not throw stones.

All this does is cement you as a right wing crackppot that relies on nonfactual news sources as your only flow of information. Id ask you to cite the passage in the bill that proves your claim, but you won't, just like all the other trumpanzies on this forum. Instead you'll like some guardian or the hill garbage opinion source and claim you are right.

In 234 years of voting history, of all votes cast in elections voter fraud accounts for 0.0025%-0.003% of all votes cast. That means in person voter fraud is statistically insignificant in changing a vote. A comprehensive 2014 study(https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-ballots-cast/) published in The Washington Post found 31 credible instances of impersonation fraud from 2000 to 2014, out of more than 1 billion ballots cast. So tell me why your side wants to prevent everyone from voting? You know the reason, they cannot win with out cheating and suppression.

So kindly fuck off with your bull shit talking point that have no merit in a real discussion.

[rrayy]

I've proven my identify to vote all the time. What's racist is shutting down polling stations in minority neighborhoods, what's racist is closing DPS offices in minority neighborhoods or near bus terminals. What's racist is reducing early voting time, specifically times that historically are used by African Americans. What's racist is pulling huge swaths of rural voters into minority inner city neighborhoods to dilute their vote.

[/QUOTE]Well yeah because the VRA hasn't been passed yet. If the VRA is passed, that all goes away because it is banned. The rest is all BS propaganda spewed by CNN and BSNBC. That is not what they are doing at all. As I have said before, they are limiting the number so they can be completely monitored to ensure only those that are legally able to vote do so.

What you people fair to understand is center left and left leaning people don't hate ID requirements, we hate that you people purposefully make getting valid ID harder for non-white people.

Another BS talking point propagated by BSNBC and CNN. The GOP has done nothing of the sort. In EVERY single voter's rights bill the GOP has passed, they have provisions that not only allow you to get an ID for free and help you get one, but they will have it delivered to your front door for free. Your claim is nothing but a bald faced lie. And it is also a lie that liberals are OK with voter ID. The fact that you support the VRA is proof of that. If they were OK with voter ID, it would be in the bill.

The only one dodging is you, you're the one making baseless claims and not providing supporting data from this bill that you swear up and down is there.

I am not making baseless claims. It is the consequences of what is banned by the bill. But this is how you deflect. You say it isn't explicitly worded, so it can't happen. It's called "intended consequences". By banning voter ID, it opens up the ability for illegals and anyone else not allowed to vote to just walk in and vote. You are deflecting by parroting the BS talking points coming out of CNN and BSNBC without actually reading what was in the bills.

[Beefhammer]

And you have to verify your identity to vote.

Let's look at New York, which you pulled out specifically yourself.

https://casetext.com/regulation/new-...n-verification

So, new registrations are verified in the weeks leading up to the election. Old registrations were already verified. They can use identity tools beyond what the applicant may have sent in. If this hasn't/can't be completed before the day they vote, then they will have to produce identification at the polling station to confirm eligibility.

You already have to identify yourself. This is standard in every State, I'm simply citing one of your chosen examples. The "voter ID laws" the Republicans have been trying to pass have, almost exclusively, been intended to shrink what qualifies as identifying papers, to a much narrower list. Not to establish a need to identify the potential voter, to make it more difficult for that voter to so identify themselves, and thus contribute to disenfranchisement. In many cases, these pushes have been directly tied to an explicit intent to target populations which traditionally vote Democratic, disenfranchising legitimate Democratic voters and giving the Republicans an illicit advantage. We know this, because it went to court, and this got proven in court, which is why those laws got overturned.

You are lying. Maybe you're a "true believer" who just repeats whatever some Republican talking head tells you without checking any of the facts for yourself, or maybe you know this is bullshit and you don't care because lies are more useful to you than the truth. Either way, it's reprehensible garbage posting.

Also, calling the center-right neoliberal Democrats "far left" is just a statement of your own extremism and disconnection from reality, not an actual criticism. Even the left-wingers within the Democrats like Bernie Sanders or AOC barely qualify as center-left. They'd fit in just fine with the Liberal Party up here in Canadaland, which is a centrist party; the NDP are significantly more left-wing. OOooOOoo, the scary left wing, actually expressing basic human empathy for those in need and wanting a more-just society.

This so much. They know your identity is verified when you register.

[Machismo]

Well yeah because the VRA hasn't been passed yet. If the VRA is passed, that all goes away because it is banned. The rest is all BS propaganda spewed by CNN and BSNBC. That is not what they are doing at all. As I have said before, they are limiting the number so they can be completely monitored to ensure only those that are legally able to vote do so.

Another BS talking point propagated by BSNBC and CNN. The GOP has done nothing of the sort. In EVERY single voter's rights bill the GOP has passed, they have provisions that not only allow you to get an ID for free and help you get one, but they will have it delivered to your front door for free. Your claim is nothing but a bald faced lie. And it is also a lie that liberals are OK with voter ID. The fact that you support the VRA is proof of that. If they were OK with voter ID, it would be in the bill.

I am not making baseless claims. It is the consequences of what is banned by the bill. But this is how you deflect. You say it isn't explicitly worded, so it can't happen. It's called "intended consequences". By banning voter ID, it opens up the ability for illegals and anyone else not allowed to vote to just walk in and vote. You are deflecting by parroting the BS talking points coming out of CNN and BSNBC without actually reading what was in the bills.

Your entire argument can now be summed up as "NUH UHHH!"

You've ignored the evidence in order to push your bullshit narrative. You also did the same thing with the George Floyd murder. I'm sensing a pattern.

[Beefhammer]

Voter fraud does not exist in an even remotely meaningful way in the United States.

Even if we were to assume the gop was being earnest in their attempts (hint, they aren’t,) they’re seeking to solve a problem that simply does not exist.

Disenfranchising millions of people in the hopes of catching the maybe dozen or so cases of miscast votes each election is not worth it. And what’s more, those miscast votes are caught anyway; that’s how we know about them. Again, the problem does not exist.

Nor is allowing government officials, with no oversight, to discard votes for whatever reason they deem, “worth it.” Oh, the democrat nominee won a GOP controlled state? (See, Arizona, Georgia, etc.) are you willing to give the power to the state governments to arbitrarily decide that they don’t believe the vote totals, not based on any actual truth, but because they don’t like that their side lost so they simply claim there must have been voter fraud?

The GOPs stance on voter fraud is not borne out by evidence. In reality, and as borne out by evidence, all it serves to do is disenfranchise minorities and young people, who routinely vote against GOP interests. Do you think that’s just a happy accident?

Or is that maybe the whole point?

The GOP are kings of creating solutions to problems that do not exist.

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Well yeah because the VRA hasn't been passed yet. If the VRA is passed, that all goes away because it is banned. The rest is all BS propaganda spewed by CNN and BSNBC. That is not what they are doing at all. As I have said before, they are limiting the number so they can be completely monitored to ensure only those that are legally able to vote do so.

Another BS talking point propagated by BSNBC and CNN. The GOP has done nothing of the sort. In EVERY single voter's rights bill the GOP has passed, they have provisions that not only allow you to get an ID for free and help you get one, but they will have it delivered to your front door for free. Your claim is nothing but a bald faced lie. And it is also a lie that liberals are OK with voter ID. The fact that you support the VRA is proof of that. If they were OK with voter ID, it would be in the bill.

I am not making baseless claims. It is the consequences of what is banned by the bill. But this is how you deflect. You say it isn't explicitly worded, so it can't happen. It's called "intended consequences". By banning voter ID, it opens up the ability for illegals and anyone else not allowed to vote to just walk in and vote. You are deflecting by parroting the BS talking points coming out of CNN and BSNBC without actually reading what was in the bills.[/QUOTE]

Cite the laws where they help you get them for free.

[Machismo]

Well yeah because the VRA hasn't been passed yet. If the VRA is passed, that all goes away because it is banned. The rest is all BS propaganda spewed by CNN and BSNBC. That is not what they are doing at all. As I have said before, they are limiting the number so they can be completely monitored to ensure only those that are legally able to vote do so.

Another BS talking point propagated by BSNBC and CNN. The GOP has done nothing of the sort. In EVERY single voter's rights bill the GOP has passed, they have provisions that not only allow you to get an ID for free and help you get one, but they will have it delivered to your front door for free. Your claim is nothing but a bald faced lie. And it is also a lie that liberals are OK with voter ID. The fact that you support the VRA is proof of that. If they were OK with voter ID, it would be in the bill.

I am not making baseless claims. It is the consequences of what is banned by the bill. But this is how you deflect. You say it isn't explicitly worded, so it can't happen. It's called "intended consequences". By banning voter ID, it opens up the ability for illegals and anyone else not allowed to vote to just walk in and vote. You are deflecting by parroting the BS talking points coming out of CNN and BSNBC without actually reading what was in the bills.

Furthermore, why do you hate the idea of people voting?

[bladeXcrasher]

Well yeah because the VRA hasn't been passed yet. If the VRA is passed, that all goes away because it is banned. The rest is all BS propaganda spewed by CNN and BSNBC. That is not what they are doing at all. As I have said before, they are limiting the number so they can be completely monitored to ensure only those that are legally able to vote do so.

Another BS talking point propagated by BSNBC and CNN. The GOP has done nothing of the sort. In EVERY single voter's rights bill the GOP has passed, they have provisions that not only allow you to get an ID for free and help you get one, but they will have it delivered to your front door for free. Your claim is nothing but a bald faced lie. And it is also a lie that liberals are OK with voter ID. The fact that you support the VRA is proof of that. If they were OK with voter ID, it would be in the bill.

I am not making baseless claims. It is the consequences of what is banned by the bill. But this is how you deflect. You say it isn't explicitly worded, so it can't happen. It's called "intended consequences". By banning voter ID, it opens up the ability for illegals and anyone else not allowed to vote to just walk in and vote. You are deflecting by parroting the BS talking points coming out of CNN and BSNBC without actually reading what was in the bills.

It's not a BS talking point, everything I mentioned is a specific pattern of Republican behavior in Texas, specifically Houston and Dallas. I don't need talking points, because facts are on my side.

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This so much. They know your identity is verified when you register.

It's such a deliberately fucking lazy lie, too.

Either the people spouting it have never registered to vote in their lives (or aren't even Americans and have literally no idea what they're talking about to begin with), or they know they're lying because they've already had to identify themselves to vote, and almost certainly in a pre-Voter-ID time. They know that isn't why those laws are being put in.

That's the thing with neo-fascism, though; it isn't about truth. Lies that allow them to grab at more power and more control are more useful to the neo-fascist than actual truth is. Those truths are the enemy, as they work against fascism and all systems adjacent to such. It isn't even because of any need to delude people into the fold; it's just about stroking their own egos and comforting themselves with their own lies. It's like an alcoholic insisting they don't have a problem, they hid a bottle in the toilet tank "just in case" and that's totally normal, fuck you, and who cares if their liver's failing what's it to you? The lies aren't for their friends and family, they're just meant to protect the alcoholic's sense of self as they continue to abuse everyone around them and slowly kill themselves.

[rrayy]

Voter fraud does not exist in an even remotely meaningful way in the United States.

And you know that how? it is very hard to prove sio this is a baseless statement.

Even if we were to assume the gop was being earnest in their attempts (hint, they aren’t,) they’re seeking to solve a problem that simply does not exist.

Disenfranchising millions of people in the hopes of catching the maybe dozen or so cases of miscast votes each election is not worth it. And what’s more, those miscast votes are caught anyway; that’s how we know about them. Again, the problem does not exist.

Parroting propganda from CNN does not = fact. They aren't disinfranchising anyone. That is a propaganda buzzwords BS that CNN uses. They have repeatedly put in their bils that you can get an ID for free and have it delievered directly to your front door fort free. CNN doesn't tell you that. So their claim is a lie. You parroting it makes you a liar.

Nor is allowing government officials, with no oversight, to discard votes for whatever reason they deem, “worth it.” Oh, the democrat nominee won a GOP controlled state? (See, Arizona, Georgia, etc.) are you willing to give the power to the state governments to arbitrarily decide that they don’t believe the vote totals, not based on any actual truth, but because they don’t like that their side lost so they simply claim there must have been voter fraud?

Not what is happening. People should have the right to contest elections. But you want biased government officials to oversee things who can say "Oh he voted against my party. That vote doesn't count. Or "hey you have a box of 100's of votes for my party. they count, No need to verify them". What is needed is an independent commission to oversee the election.

The GOPs stance on voter fraud is not borne out by evidence. In reality, and as borne out by evidence, all it serves to do is disenfranchise minorities and young people, who routinely vote against GOP interests. Do you think that’s just a happy accident?

Again with the far left propaganda BS lies from CNN not bourne in reality. Voter ID will kill any accusation of voter fraud. Dems don't want it because it kills their ability to rig elections.

[Machismo]

And you know that how? it is very hard to prove sio this is a baseless statement.

Parroting propganda from CNN does not = fact. They aren't disinfranchising anyone. That is a propaganda buzzwords BS that CNN uses. They have repeatedly put in their bils that you can get an ID for free and have it delievered directly to your front door fort free. CNN doesn't tell you that. So their claim is a lie. You parroting it makes you a liar.

Not what is happening. People should have the right to contest elections. But you want biased government officials to oversee things who can say "Oh he voted against my party. That vote doesn't count. Or "hey you have a box of 100's of votes for my party. they count, No need to verify them". What is needed is an independent commission to oversee the election.

Again with the far left propaganda BS lies from CNN not bourne in reality. Voter ID will kill any accusation of voter fraud. Dems don't want it because it kills their ability to rig elections.

From the mountain of evidence already presented to you.

You willfully ignored it.

[rrayy]

It's not a BS talking point, everything I mentioned is a specific pattern of Republican behavior in Texas, specifically Houston and Dallas. I don't need talking points, because facts are on my side.

Yes it is. Everything you said is BS spin by CNN. The only thing on your side is propaganda you try to parade as "the facts".

[Machismo]

Yes it is. Everything you said is BS spin by CNN. The only thing on your side is propaganda you try to parade as "the facts".

Evidence for your claims, please.

How long do you need? Is 24 hours enough?

[draynay]

I don't know why he hits the quote button since all he talks about is CNN and ignores the topic of discussion.