It's pretty evident the GOP needs these laws to shield them from facts.
It's pretty evident the GOP needs these laws to shield them from facts.
Andrew Johnson should have never been President and Grant should have had Tecumseh Sherman run Reconstruction the way he ran The March to the Sea.
All southern secessionists should have had their citizenship revoked, US nationals, but not citizens for a generation or two and yes, every Confederate elected official and officer above the rank of Major should have hanged for treason.
Not really.
At the moment when the Army of Virginia surrendered (which was the backbone of the Confederate army at the junction) it was down to 28000 men, most in no fighting condition whatsoever. They had no food, ammunition, transport and were backed into a corner, enlisted were deserting in droves and the rest were dying of starvation, fatigue etc. Unlikely that they would have been willing to die in droves just so a few hundred of their officers and politicians could delay the hangman for a day or two and even had they been willing to actually fight another battle, it wouldn't even have been a "last stand" but more like a massacre.
Through the war the Union outnumbered the Confederates 2 to 1. By 1865 that was 3 to 1 and by the very end it was something like 4 or 5 to 1 in standing forces. With the significant difference that the Union army was 1. winning 2. was well supplied, fed, equipped, 3 controlled essentially all means of transportation, rivers, roads, coasts all urban centers and had a fully functioning economy.
The Union could have and should have demanded unconditional surrender. Those who would have been unwilling to accept that would have been welcome to head south and across the border (as some have). Brazil was still a slave state, if they really wanted to move somewhere with a warm climate and slavery.
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People need to really stop trying to defend racism.
Imagine being upset, because someone may be taught that Washington was racist, or that Robert E. lee wasn't the amazing dude many would have you believe...
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Yeah, I remember growing up, schools taught us tat Christopher Columbus was an amazing guy, and that our Founding Fathers were all great men. Those classes didn't want to teach about the genocide, theft, murder, and tyranny they supported.
This is what DeSantis wants to continue pushing.
This may not be a great take, but I have to say that its amazing that for past 400 years, just using America as the example, that one majority of people have dominated and blatantly used bigotry and racism to get ahead and stay ahead. Yet, now within maybe not even the past 30 years truly they have become so hateful they must take an equal to other groups trying to make it here in the US.
Yeah, laws like this from Florida to Virginia and others is no doubt they want to cater to one group, it's obvious. The group that has had the power over the last 400 years and fear of the change. Fed by lies and xenophobia that other people can't have the same opportunities. Telling people they have no privilege cause they are not a millionaire, yet its not about wealth all the time. Brainwashed into hating groups that are not taking their jobs over the rich who do this through automation and trying to squeeze max profits for stock holders.
In the end we will see where this goes. If it starts getting to whitewashing slavery and segregation then we know (we already know) they don't want to become better people and try to improve our nation by learning and improving our our past.
Democrats are the best! I will never ever question a Democrat again. I LOVE the Democrats!
Friendly reminder that they said the quiet part out loud months ago.
“There you stand, the good man doing nothing. And while evil triumphs, and your rigid pacifism crumbles to blood stained dust, the only victory afforded to you is that you stuck true to your guns.”
People are already so shielded in parts of the South of their racist pasts that they actually unironically think the Civil War was about "states rights" and not related to slavery. Despite the fact that anyone with a third grade literacy level can read the Confederate Constitution and see it in there.
I'd say "how could it get worse than that?" but clearly they're trying their best.
"A bill pushed by Republican Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis that would prohibit public schools and private businesses from making white people feel “discomfort” when they teach students or train employees about discrimination in the nation’s past received its first approval Tuesday."
^-- The phrasing there is so pathetic and snowflakey it's remarkable. If history doesn't sometimes make you feel uncomfortable, you're not teaching history.
It made me feel uncomfortable when I found out I'm very distantly related to General Robert E. Lee. I deal with it, I don't live in denial.
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There's really 2 major issues with it. The first is I'm not sure how you pass a bill that's as vague as 'not causing someone discomfort' (which is also completely subjective). For some people it being 73 degrees indoors could be 'discomfort'. Florida has implemented laws before that were intentionally vague like this that didn't go well when left up to public interpretation.
The second larger issue is the question of how this will really be applied. Is this just a nicely packaged way of saying have schools completely skip any teaching on slavery, the Civil War, or the entire 1950's/1960's in the US? And that's just the TLDR quick pass on the history of race in the US that skips a lot. Any American in any state that graduates high school, by that time they should pretty well understand the history of our country (both good and bad). It doesn't mean focusing on negatives, and I don't think schools out there are. But it also doesn't mean censoring teachers from teaching basic US history and pretending significant events didn't take place.
It's also a very authoritarian act and a slippery slope to silence teaching of history. Let's not teach about Watergate because it reflects badly on conservatives. Let's not teach about the handling of the Iran Hostage Crisis because it reflects badly on Democrats. Skip teaching about prohibition because it didn't work well. We didn't win Vietnam so let's skip that too. Passing a law for teachers to not be allowed to teach topics that a state leader dislikes sounds like something out of a school in North Korea.
CRT is a graduate-level analytical tool on the intersection of race and law in the USA.
There are no "CRT Leftists". Nor is CRT about "bad things whites have done". Those are lies perpetuated by white supremacists. Why are you pushing racist disinfo propaganda? Are you seriously only getting your information from KKK blogs and shit? There's no way you're drawing these conclusions legitimately. You're pushing racist horseshit. You may as well be wearing a white hood and setting fire to a cross on a black family's lawn, saying this shit.
Oh, so just actual, direct white supremacism. Neat.they downplay the larger set of positive contributions that have changed the world for the better, and they dismiss all the same bad behavior of whites when it's shown that they are present in all other races.
Then we must cancel Martin Luther King Day. He preached that being gay was bad. Also cancel Obama, Hillary Clinton, and Biden because in the 2000's they were against gay marriage.
Also, the issue is how certain bad-actor teachers teach the curriculum not "don't teach about slavery". I.e. splitting white and black kids up in the room and shaming them.
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