Mega-Thread: Coronavirus Pandemic

[Yunru]

No... we do know.

And it wasn't the mafia.

Please stop conspiracy theorizing.

Well we will see what happens in future. I generaly dont trust what media reports, without a insider information. (or mutliple trusted sources say the same thing)

But what happened is Criminal Negligence in some way. Well they didnt hurt people directly, but they did hurt any future people who could use this masks and reduce the virus spread.
In other words, they probaly killed some people that way. But it is realy hard to prove this. So slap on hand pretty much and they may end up with a fine.

[Machismo]

Well we will see what happens in future. I generaly dont trust what media reports, without a insider information. (or mutliple trusted sources say the same thing)

But what happened is Criminal Negligence in some way. Well they didnt hurt people directly, but they did hurt any future people who could use this masks and reduce the virus spread.
In other words, they probaly killed some people that way. But it is realy hard to prove this. So slap on hand pretty much and they may end up with a fine.

This is all baseless nonsense. "We'll see..." isn't an argument, it's an admission you have no evidence.

[Edge-]

Well we will see what happens in future. I generaly dont trust what media reports, without a insider information. (or mutliple trusted sources say the same thing)

I mean...they talked to the guy in charge at the county who admitted he fucked up...how much more do you need?

But what happened is Criminal Negligence in some way.

How so?

Well they didnt hurt people directly, but they did hurt any future people who could use this masks and reduce the virus spread.

Sure, but was it criminal negligence? That's a high bar to meet.

In other words, they probaly killed some people that way. But it is realy hard to prove this. So slap on hand pretty much and they may end up with a fine.

Sometimes mistakes happen, that doesn't inherently mean it's criminal.

Man, seriously, sometimes shit just goes wrong. There's not some grand master plan behind it, people just fucked up.

[PhaelixWW]

Well we will see what happens in future. I generaly dont trust what media reports, without a insider information.

You don't trust the media... so you'll make up conspiracy theories.

Because you can trust your conspiracy theories more than the media?

Besides, they interviewed someone from the county who took responsibility for the error, so there's your insider information.

[Edge-]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...se-assessment/

WashPo did a big feature on how the Biden administration has succeeded, or not, in their pandemic efforts. It's paywalled so I'll link to the juicy parts elsewhere - https://www.businessinsider.com.au/b...andemic-2022-1

Now there are some failures on the part of the administration like not anticipating new variants and being caught unprepared, hardly a perfect track record.

But the relevant bit is this -

[W]e underestimated in that original strategy … the amount of disinformation and the fact that people would actually stand in the way of the pandemic response for political or other motivation

Because when you have half the country actively working against your efforts to take a pandemic seriously, it's hard to be successful. And it touches upon the issues of the US helping other countries with their vaccine efforts -

It’s been difficult to get the White House to focus on improving vaccinations in Malawi, when the president is getting calls about overflowing hospitals in Missouri

Which is true. It's hard to focus abroad when a good chunk of the country is willingly getting covid and causing broader issues as they overwhelm already overwhelmed health care systems.

[Poopymonster]

Quebec is now taking a new initiative - proof of vaccination to buy cannabis (and alcohol):
https://montrealgazette.com/cannabis...nd-sqdc-stores

Just to be clear: get vaccinated even if you don't plan to buy cannabis!

*snicker* Hit em where it hurts. I am amused by this.

[Jastall]

Quebec is now taking a new initiative - proof of vaccination to buy cannabis (and alcohol):
https://montrealgazette.com/cannabis...nd-sqdc-stores

Just to be clear: get vaccinated even if you don't plan to buy cannabis!

As the article states, soon it'll apply to all large stores as well- no Costco or Wal-Mart for you with no vaccine. Only smaller groceries and drug stores will allow the unvaccinated.

Unsurprisingly, this (and probably the variant to be fair) has driven up our vaccination rates. Seems not being able to buy booze and Buffet's array of cheap shit was the final straw for many.

[Edge-]

As the article states, soon it'll apply to all large stores as well- no Costco or Wal-Mart for you with no vaccine.

Yo, I absolutely wish that was the case here. Like, I haven't been to Costco in years and I fuckin miss it so much. Sure you can order deliveries and such but it's just not the same. It's different when you go there in-person and see all the sample tables, hear at least a dozen different languages spoken while browsing isles, debate whether you really need to get the 200 rolls of toilet paper you don't have the room the store anyways, and then walk out and nab a nice slice of pizza or hot dog on the way.

Seriously, I really, really miss Costco. Especially since I moved from a tiny apartment with no space to a proper house with some actual storage so I could buy the 200 rolls of toilet paper for once.

[PhaelixWW]

San Francisco has the lowest Covid mortality rate of any major US cities by an order of magnitude. Especially during Delta and Omicron surges.

Just to circle back around to this for a minute...

San Francisco doesn't have the lowest mortality rate of major US cities, let alone by an order of magnitude.

SF has had 696 deaths, which is a mortality of 79.4 per 100k. Even the worst cities aren't an order of magnitude worse. NYC has had 36,949 deaths and a mortality of 417.5 per 100k, which is only ~5x that of SF. Fresno has had 2,415 deaths and a mortality of 438.9 per 100k, right around the same ~5x. And those are some of the worst cities in the US for COVID mortality.

But yeah, SF isn't even the lowest. Seattle has had 544 deaths, which is a mortality of 70.4 per 100k and is about 9% lower than SF.

Even during the delta/omicron surges, the two cities are pretty much neck-and-neck. Since 7/1/2021, just before the start of the delta surge, SF has had 129 deaths (14.7 per 100k) and Seattle has had 116 deaths (15.0 per 100k). Seattle was a bit lower during delta, but a bit higher since omicron started surging.

[Edge-]

https://www.wmfe.org/pino-put-on-lea...cinated/195298

Yo, FuckFlorida actually fuckin did it. They put the fucking Medical Director for Orange County on leave for encouraging his department's employees that they should get the vaccine.

Man, we're lucky as fuck that covid hasn't mutated into a more deadly and transmissible variety yet. Because as I said long ago in this thread and as I very much think would be the reality if this were to happen, the US ain't gonna survive this fuckin pandemic.

[beanman12345]

Free covid kits Biden promised are available through https://special.usps.com/testkits

Got some for me and some for my dad. Thanks for posting this.

[Zantos]

Because when you have half the country actively working against your efforts to take a pandemic seriously, it's hard to be successful. And it touches upon the issues of the US helping other countries with their vaccine efforts -

This is honestly the biggest issue that we face. You can't blame the administration when you are constantly seeing states fighting any glimmer of a mandate. Governors saying they wont force masks in even schools. Its hard. Without going full lock down and bringing out the national guard, there just isn't a winning way this administration can fight the pandemic thanks, in no small part, to the previous administration setting this all up. What is worse is that the same idiots who are fighting any mandates are the ones who will use the failures that they forcibly create as evidence to point to this administration not being able to successfully fight this pandemic.

That is why I see this only ending in an apocalyptic even, or a strain like Omicron infecting people so quickly that it burns through those it can infect and kills itself out.

- - - Updated - - -

Free covid kits Biden promised are available through https://special.usps.com/testkits

Thank you. I got my kit ordered. Hopefully I wont need it, but itll be good to have.

[Forogil]

Just to circle back around to this for a minute...

San Francisco doesn't have the lowest mortality rate of major US cities, let alone by an order of magnitude.

SF has had 696 deaths, which is a mortality of 79.4 per 100k. Even the worst cities aren't an order of magnitude worse. NYC has had 36,949 deaths and a mortality of 417.5 per 100k, which is only ~5x that of SF. Fresno has had 2,415 deaths and a mortality of 438.9 per 100k, right around the same ~5x. And those are some of the worst cities in the US for COVID mortality.

To compare it internationally - SF is between Canada at 83 per 100k, and Denmark at 60 per 100k.
Fresno is close to Bulgaria at 467 per 100k, and below Peru at 610 per 100k.

[PhaelixWW]

To compare it internationally - SF is between Canada at 83 per 100k, and Denmark at 60 per 100k.
Fresno is close to Bulgaria at 467 per 100k, and below Peru at 610 per 100k.

The whole point was comparing major cities to other major cities, though, not to counties, states, or countries.

[Lenonis]

They put the fucking Medical Director for Orange County on leave for encouraging his department's employees that they should get the vaccine.

That's mind blowingly terrible...but it's even worse. They are investigating to try to find a way to press criminal charges against him.

A public healthcare official.
Following health guidelines.
Encouraging established precautionary measures.

Florida needs to go far far far away and stay there.

[Unholyground]

The Pandemic will be over my mid summer, there likely won't be any new variants because of how well this virus spreads, it has no need to evolve further. With the vaccination % very high world wide plus the new anti-viral that basically prevents mostly all deaths it is just a matter of time.

[Edge-]

The Pandemic will be over my mid summer

Man, we've sure heard this one before.

there likely won't be any new variants because of how well this virus spreads

I definitely feel like I've heard this one.

it has no need to evolve further.

That's not how random mutations work, evolution is not an intentional process something undergoes.

With the vaccination % very high world wide plus the new anti-viral that basically prevents mostly all deaths it is just a matter of time.

I'll still be taking the pandemic seriously and expecting it to drag on, especially as half of the US seems desperate to make sure that it never ends as they continue to reject all science and medical advice and instead resort to taking horse dewormer or drinking their own piss.

[Unholyground]

Man, we've sure heard this one before.



I definitely feel like I've heard this one.



That's not how random mutations work, evolution is not an intentional process something undergoes.



I'll still be taking the pandemic seriously and expecting it to drag on, especially as half of the US seems desperate to make sure that it never ends as they continue to reject all science and medical advice and instead resort to taking horse dewormer or drinking their own piss.

The antiviral drug though is definitely a huge benefit. I really doubt we will see another mutation of any relevance.

[MCMLXXXII]

If only people all over the world had access to vaccines. Not going to happen any time soon.

[Edge-]

The antiviral drug though is definitely a huge benefit. I really doubt we will see another mutation of any relevance.

It's great, yeah. Hopefully will help get hospitals less packed with unvaxxed idiots causing harm to folks taht need treatment for non-covid reasons but are unable to find any hospitals with the space to care for them.

And on the mutations, I'll stick with the actual infectious disease specialists who are still warning about new mutations - https://www.latimes.com/world-nation...cientists-warn