[9.2 SPOILERS] "Golden One claims a vacant throne"

[Varodoc]

Well it's literally vacant, the king isn't literally sitting on the throne.

I think your being literal in your reading of somethings and symbolic in others....

Both Pelagos and Turalyon seems perfectly reasonable reads of the prophecy

"Throne" can be used to refer to the chair or also to an institution, the institution of the King, Anduin would remain in charge of that institution even if he's absent from Stormwind. At least nominally.

Meanwhile in Oribos all the minions who served the Arbiter don't have a boss anymore. Well, not until Pelagos fills the power vacuum.

[Wonderment2]

"Throne" can be used to refer to the chair or also to an institution, the institution of the King, Anduin would remain in charge of that institution even if he's absent from Stormwind. At least nominally.

Meanwhile in Oribos all the minions who served the Arbiter don't have a boss anymore. Well, not until Pelagos fills the power vacuum.

Yes I know, I live in a monarchy... . So none of your rather errrr patronising response really retorts my point.

The throne can be the institution or the chair. The "vacant throne" can mean both the institution or the chair.

The Stormwind Throne and the "Throne" of the Arbiter are both vacant in a sense. One literally the second symbolically.....

[Varodoc]

Yes I know, I live in a monarchy... . So none of your rather errrr patronising response really retorts my point.

The throne can be the institution or the chair. The "vacant throne" can mean both the institution or the chair.

The Stormwind Throne and the "Throne" of the Arbiter are both vacant in a sense. One literally the second symbolically.....

The second both physically and symbolically. The central platform inside the "Crucible" is where the Arbiter once stood and could be seen as her throne. It not being a chair doesn't mean much.

And obviously Turalyon does not have a crown, half the prophecy involves a "crown", and Pelagos the new Arbiter does wear a crown emanating light. Whereas Turalyon does not have any crown.

I also think that storywise Pelagos is much more likely to cause trouble. Turalyon, as he says in-game, already served as regent of Stormwind once. This is nothing new for him and he already proved that he can remain level-headed and not lose himself in political power.

Meanwhile Pelagos is now the single most important being in the Shadowlands, responsible for judging every soul from all worlds and all timelines. Pelagos could be overwhelmed by the massive effort that such a task requires.

It seems like a robot/computer, like the previous Arbiter, would have been more fit to handle such a task.

[Wonderment2]

The second both physically and symbolically. The central platform inside the "Crucible" is where the Arbiter once stood and could be seen as her throne. It not being a chair doesn't mean much.

And obviously Turalyon does not have a crown, half the prophecy involves a "crown", and Pelagos the new Arbiter does wear a crown emanating light. Whereas Turalyon does not have any crown.

This is my point your switching wildly form literal reading and symbolic reading.

For Arbiter your assuming a symbolic throne (there literally isn't a throne) and a literal crown. But you dismissive Turalyon since depsite having a literal throne he lacks a literal crown even though as current de facto leader of Humanity he has a symbolic crown....

[Varodoc]

This is my point your switching wildly form literal reading and symbolic reading.

For Arbiter your assuming a symbolic throne (there literally isn't a throne) and a literal crown. But you dismissive Turalyon since depsite having a literal throne he lacks a literal crown even though as current de facto leader of Humanity he has a symbolic crown....

There isn't a literal throne because the Arbiter literally doesn't have a human body, look at her and look at Pelagos, they literally don't have legs/human body. How would they sit It's silly to use this argument.

The central platform atop Oribos could be seen as the seat from which the Arbiter ruled. Indeed, it was the seat from which Zovaal the original Arbiter ruled.

Two things are worth noting about Turalyon:

1) He only leads Stormwind, not all of humanity.
2) The Race descriptions on the WoW website was recently updated. Despite the developments in Shadowlands, Anduin is still listed as leader of the Humans of stormwind (in-game the Human race).

[qwerty123456]

A couple thoughts.
1. They ain't going to turn the only trans character into a villain.

2. The void tells you half truths vaguely and in ways it wants you to hear it in order to manipulate you. They want you to connect the two sentences and assume the golden one will be evil/turn evil when it could literally just be telling you an event that happened. So even if the first part is about Turalyon or Pelagos or who ever it doesn't mean they are going to go bad. Same goes for the second part. For all we know the crown of light that will bring only darkness could be a solar eclipse.

Same with things like "Five lanterns, now darkened. The flame they seek will light the masters' way." Let's for a second say that its about the Dragon Flights trying to find a way to reproduce again. It could be interpreted as the flame being a trap that will actually help the void but it could also just be that later on agents of the void steal the object and use it later on or something else.

[AwkwardSquirtle]

Friendly reminder that Il'gynoth's 8.3 whispers never went live, so they are not canon.

[Kathranis]

Turalyon. Easy. King Regent of Stormwind in Anduin's absence, and a zealot of the Light.

The Arbiter has nothing to do with the Light, they're part of the Pantheon of Death. The Crown of the Damned / Crown of the Arbiter or whatever they want to call it, is still going to be a Death artifact.

[Wonderment2]

There isn't a literal throne because the Arbiter literally doesn't have a human body, look at her and look at Pelagos, they literally don't have legs/human body. How would they sit It's silly to use this argument.

The central platform atop Oribos could be seen as the seat from which the Arbiter ruled. Indeed, it was the seat from which Zovaal the original Arbiter ruled.

Two things are worth noting about Turalyon:

1) He only leads Stormwind, not all of humanity.
2) The Race descriptions on the WoW website was recently updated. Despite the developments in Shadowlands, Anduin is still listed as leader of the Humans of stormwind (in-game the Human race).

No it's not literally a throne it's not a literal seat, it's a place where they float. It's a symbolic Throne as you said "could be seen as the seat". Unless I've missed a line where it's called or referred to as a throne, it's a symbolic throne.

Not sure where you're getting hung up on this. You read somethings as literal and others symbolic. A literal crown and a symbolic throne. Then dismiss another read since some of it is literal and some of its symbolic. A literal throne and a symbolic crown.

1. Stop being pedantic leading Stormwind or all humanity doesn't change anything about his defacto leadership and so symbolic crown....

2. If I go on the wow website is palegous listed as the Arbiter.....

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Half of those lines never went anywhere. "The boy-king serves at the master's table. Three lies will he offer you." "At the hour of her third death, she will usher in our coming." "The lord of ravens will turn the key.". It's just yet another subplot that has been forgotten or retconned away.

[Varodoc]

No it's not literally a throne it's not a literal seat, it's a place where they float. It's a symbolic Throne as you said "could be seen as the seat". Unless I've missed a line where it's called or referred to as a throne, it's a symbolic throne.

Not sure where you're getting hung up on this. You read somethings as literal and others symbolic. A literal crown and a symbolic throne. Then dismiss another read since some of it is literal and some of its symbolic. A literal throne and a symbolic crown.

1. Stop being pedantic leading Stormwind or all humanity doesn't change anything about his defacto leadership and so symbolic crown....

2. If I go on the wow website is palegous listed as the Arbiter.....

Nah I'm not convinced at all. Pelagos makes way more sense.

With Turalyon you have to do a lot of mental gymnastics to ignore that Anduin is still referred to as King of Stormwind by Blizzard and that Turalyon hasn't officially taken the throne (or that would be a coup d'état, which is not what Turalyon did).

With Pelagos we have a person who fits the prophecy perfectly, word per word. This person took a vacant throne (because, with the Arbiter's destruction, Oribos did not have a government anymore, all those robots were leaderless), has a crown emanating light (which was reforged from a dark crown), and is golden in appearance. Thematically and aesthetically, the congruence between Pelagos and the prophecy is total.

I am not convinced by your arguments as to why it should be Turalyon.

[Venziir]

Friendly reminder that Il'gynoth's 8.3 whispers never went live, so they are not canon.

They did though.

[Mojo03]

Meh, the arbiter isn’t really on a throne.

Nor are they ruling over anything.

They’re more like the bouncer at the front door.

[Wonderment2]

Nah I'm not convinced at all. Pelagos makes way more sense.

With Turalyon you have to do a lot of mental gymnastics to ignore that Anduin is still referred to as King of Stormwind by Blizzard and that Turalyon hasn't officially taken the throne (or that would be a coup d'état, which is not what Turalyon did).

With Pelagos we have a person who fits the prophecy perfectly, word per word. This person took a vacant throne (because, with the Arbiter's destruction, Oribos did not have a government anymore, all those robots were leaderless), has a crown emanating light (which was reforged from a dark crown), and is golden in appearance. Thematically and aesthetically, the congruence between Pelagos and the prophecy is total.

I am not convinced by your arguments as to why it should be Turalyon.

Turalyon literally current rules (a symbolic crown) in the absence of a king, a "vacant throne". The light is pretty obvious.

If you think this is "mental gymnastics" then that's a you problem.

[Villager720]

Thrones can be symbolic....

Putting aside from the fact that the Arbiter truly doesn’t even have a symbolic throne due to it/they not being a lord of anything - Pelagos is also blue, not gold, until he becomes the Arbiter.

The whispers aren’t referring to this at all.
If it said “the blue one claims the banished mantle” that’d be one thing. But as it stands, none of the key details remotely match.

[Athorha]

Maybe there are multiple thrones and its just trendy for moral creatures to deem the most gold like to stand on such a pedestal. And then the whole crown of light thing is reference to pushing too much pressure on a singular soul, eventually leading to their downfall, which basically implies pelagos is destined to become an entity which ushers in darkness, turalyon is destined to bring the dark, or bolvar if sylvanas had never shattered the helm of domination, was destined to become a source of darkness. The cycle of life continues, yada yada yada, green eyes represent evil and good, we are wrong for ever supposing anyone as being one sided in the cosmic pursuit of order


oh, and the pursuit of immortality really messes with the cosmic ordering since then life and death are actually in cahoots since you've just transcended the laws they sought out to create / balance the universe around

[Hitei]

Half of those lines never went anywhere. "The boy-king serves at the master's table. Three lies will he offer you." "At the hour of her third death, she will usher in our coming." "The lord of ravens will turn the key.". It's just yet another subplot that has been forgotten or retconned away.

Hooks =/= subplots

[shadowmatrix]

Half of those lines never went anywhere. "The boy-king serves at the master's table. Three lies will he offer you." "At the hour of her third death, she will usher in our coming." "The lord of ravens will turn the key.". It's just yet another subplot that has been forgotten or retconned away.

Prophecies not coming true is pretty much expected in any story that deals with them.

[Stormspark]

No. None of the prophecies have anything to do with Shadowlands. Shadowlands was retconned into existence at the end of BFA. None of it existed before that (when the writing was better).

The prophecies, were intended to be mysterious, with the thought that they could (possibly) be used in the future as neat story ideas. But Danuser threw all that away when he retconned everything and made Shadowlands.

[Eazy]

It's Jailer playing 10D interdimensional chess with everyone, even Blizzard writers themselves.

He knew that champions of Azeroth would stop him, but he left the part of his essence in the Helm of Damnation, which was reforged into Tiara of Wills to control the new Arbiter.
When we tought that everything is over and leave Shadowlands, he will take over the control of the new arbiter and finish what he planned since Wc1.