Are There Six Zereths? Six Sepulchers?

[huth]

My issue with the "six zereths" theory is how Zereth Mortis seems so intrinsically Light / Life themed as opposed to, y'know, Death. If this is what Zereth Mortis looks like, how is it going to stand apart from the likes of Zereth Lumen and Zereth Vitae, exactly?

Why should it? If anything, i'd expect all of them to look alike.

Zereth Mortis is not itself a realm of death. It's a facility to create them.

Would you expect a factory for armoured vehicles to look significantly different than one for civilian cars?

[DatToffer]

well sure, but that's quite the same with a different name, though.

What is the same as what exactly ?

[Zentail]

I mean, it's not hate circlejerking, it's a fact.

Woah, first response to the thread was exactly hate circlejerking with 0 evidence to support said "fact" besides unrealistic expectations that WoW is held to for some reason that 0 writers in the history of the world have achieved! Who'd have guessed?! :shocked_pikachu:

On topic, we could speculate that Death is special. Each of the other 5 could theoretically end in death one day, for example. Though personally I'd like to think that each of the 6 have their own "Sepulcher" of sorts (they might not all be a sepulcher but serve a similar purpose). Each could also have their own "heart" of sorts. There could also be 6 hearts of eternity, each acting as more of a piece of a heart. There's just a ton of speculation for what it could be and we won't really know unless WoW happens to last 20+ more years with expansion releases. That's also assuming they don't begin a storyline of pursuing them and each expansion discovers one after the next.

All that said, the Sepulcher seems to be a place for all of creation itself, not necessarily tied to Death itself. We'll have to wait and see how 9.2 plays out to know more about the zone and the Sepulcher.

Personally, being at the "peak" of Death for the storytelling has me excited to potentially explore the peak of each of the other forces: Light, Order, Life, Chaos, and Void. They could even go the Riot Games route, where we explore the story behind a force in a standalone RPG or something, but never actually explore it in WoW.

[olddog]

Your sources are outdated, it's actually the Orderer in the realm of order that was secretly behind the Cager's actions, which were behind the Jailer's actions, which were behind Sargeras' actions. You'll learn about this in 12.0, though I hear rumours that the Lighbringer from the realm of light may be behind all that!

The fallen First One will come to us.

[Trumpcat]

To quote Danuser from last Blizzconline (when asked about the intricacies of death and afterlife in SL):
Let's not get into it.

[Swnem]

i.. It does not make sense

ii. They have not yet thought about your questions

iii. They just thought that this idea gave them open space for 5 future content patches in the next few years

iv. They will think about the implications to your questions when they are about to release the next "Zereth" and then retcon the content and lore of Zereth Mortis/Sepulcher to fit

This is the right answer.

They don't know. They are making it up as they go along.

There is really no point in speculating cause there is no master plan.

[Soeroah]

I think "Sepulcher" is just what the denizens of the Shadowlands call the location of their Zereth, because it's a cool death word. The Zereth of Life might be in a place called the Lifewomb and the Zereth of Void could be in a place called the Eternal Abyss, for example.

[Polybius]

Has it actually been confirmed anywhere that all life is 3D printed, or is this only the leaders of the Shadowlands?

The Titans had research facilities on Azeroth, and they allowed life to roam wildly. Dunno what the First Ones are.

[huth]

I think "Sepulcher" is just what the denizens of the Shadowlands call the location of their Zereth, because it's a cool death word. The Zereth of Life might be in a place called the Lifewomb and the Zereth of Void could be in a place called the Eternal Abyss, for example.

I'd go with Cradle, or even Cradle of Life, personally. You got the order backwards, though. The Sepulcher is in Zereth Mortis.

Has it actually been confirmed anywhere that all life is 3D printed, or is this only the leaders of the Shadowlands?

The Titans had research facilities on Azeroth, and they allowed life to roam wildly. Dunno what the First Ones are.

No clear information as far as i'm aware. Only the Eternal Ones are definitely created there.

[TheFirstOnes]

Heh...
@DatToffer Was right.

"They might not all have a "Sepulcher" but surely an equivalent. And they might not all be called "Heart of Eternity", but their might be machines with an appropriate function"

Fuckin W take.

[DatToffer]

Heh...
@DatToffer Was right.

"They might not all have a "Sepulcher" but surely an equivalent. And they might not all be called "Heart of Eternity", but their might be machines with an appropriate function"

Fuckin W take.

Thanks. It seemed pretty spot on to me ! Although I suppose there might be equivalents to the Forge of Afterlives too.

[aceperson]

and then we come to find out there is a sepulcher of the sepulcher of the first ones that connects all six sepulchers from all 6 zereths. i understand writing isn't easy and recent revelations show that danuser is working with a crappy foundation but this is still just bad and horribly linear.

[Napee]

Just remember

The legion transcends all realities

[Houle]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/secrets...poilers-325754

so yeah, every other force has a zereth and something similar to the sepulcher, all of them are connected, and everything we know is 3D printed and mass produced.
how much more boring can they possibly make the overarching warcraft universe, you ask? find out next xpac, when well discover the first ones are ALSO just constructs created by "the clockmaker", who himself is also just a construct from...something.

Just remember

The legion transcends all realities

somehow this makes eve less sense now than ever before. its hilarious how they manage to make it all worse and worse.

[The Stormbringer]

Zerith Mortis seems to be pretty clearly connected with death. We have that one datamined NPC talking about "Lumen, Ordos, Mortis vs. Vitae, Turmult, Umbra" (obviously Light, Order, Death vs. Life, Chaos, Void).

So, do we think there are five other Zereth's? Do they each have a Sepulcher or the equivalent? Seems a little strange that there would be six "Heart(s) of Eternity".

Maybe there are six Zereths, but one Sepulcher? (With all Zereths connecting to the one same Sepulcher)

Or is there some weird reason death is special?

Serious thoughts please - no "hur dur the writers don't know, they're all stupid" Blizzard hate circlejerking.

They're probably not called "Sepulcher", since the word itself is tied to deathly connotations (it means "grave" after all), but would they all have similar places? I imagine so, yeah. It would be weird to have just the one if we know the other places exist.

[Foolicious]

Just remember

The legion transcends all realities

And yet there is only one archimonde and kil'jaeden.

Its actually hilarious to think that sargeras could have build an army of infinite archimondes but was like "nah! these imps will do!"

[The Stormbringer]

And yet there is only one archimonde and kil'jaeden.

Its actually hilarious to think that sargeras could have build an army of infinite archimondes but was like "nah! these imps will do!"

That doesn't even make sense either. Archimonde and Kil'jy both started out as Draenei, as mortals (well, "mortal" in that they die and their soul should go to the afterlife), but were transformed into Demons, making it so there's only... one of them.

How? What about all the alternate Archimondes and Kil'jaedens? Are their souls forcefully fused with the Demon variants? Is it implying that EVERY A&K became demons, without exception? How the hell does any of it make any sense?!

[Aucald]

That doesn't even make sense either. Archimonde and Kil'jy both started out as Draenei, as mortals (well, "mortal" in that they die and their soul should go to the afterlife), but were transformed into Demons, making it so there's only... one of them.

How? What about all the alternate Archimondes and Kil'jaedens? Are their souls forcefully fused with the Demon variants? Is it implying that EVERY A&K became demons, without exception? How the hell does any of it make any sense?!

It doesn't, which is why it got retconned away later on in Chronicle Vol. 3. Although Danuser has recently opened up a similar paradox-ridden issue with the whole "rope" analogy as it concerns souls in the Shadowlands.

[Le Conceptuel]

What? You dont enjoy the fact that once-mythical races are now just a bunch of 3D printed robots, with literal failed prototypes and all?
How can you not enjoy this *magnificent* story?!

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Curse_of_Flesh

[zhorteye]

Zerith Mortis seems to be pretty clearly connected with death. We have that one datamined NPC talking about "Lumen, Ordos, Mortis vs. Vitae, Turmult, Umbra" (obviously Light, Order, Death vs. Life, Chaos, Void).

So, do we think there are five other Zereth's? Do they each have a Sepulcher or the equivalent? Seems a little strange that there would be six "Heart(s) of Eternity".

Maybe there are six Zereths, but one Sepulcher? (With all Zereths connecting to the one same Sepulcher)

Or is there some weird reason death is special?

Serious thoughts please - no "hur dur the writers don't know, they're all stupid" Blizzard hate circlejerking.

Well.. According to the laws of nature, the one thing that is certain for all things, is death..

But we were told that there is a zereth for every cosmological force.. the book by Firrim now in zereth mortis even talks about this.