Consider the price stay the same over the years i would say WOW is in a good place price wise
$15 a month
$99.99 a month
$12.99 a month
$10.99 a month
$5.99 a month
$Pay 2 Win
$Its Already Pay 2 Win
Absolutely Free
Consider the price stay the same over the years i would say WOW is in a good place price wise
either the game should not have subscription anymore, or have it, but don't sell expansions
There are also many f2p games with absolutely terrible communities, look at League or Dota for example. It's not a big assumption to make that some people will not want to pay a sub, and therefore some of those, who bring toxic attitudes into the community, don't make it in.
HAhahaha…
Honestly, that’s pretty pathetic. I mean, sure there are a lot of expensive hobbies out there, but what you described isn’t “a steal”. I have at least a dozen games on steam with a lower cost/hour already and every time I play them it gets better because I don’t have to keep pumping money into them. Most of the board games my friends and I have played have better cost/entertainment time ratios than that when you take into account that it’s entertainment for multiple people at once. Hell, when I was a kid my basketball was a better entertainment investment than WoW.
Everyone always wants to compare WoW to overpriced movie tickets. Apparently you all forgot that there are more ways to have fun.
Yes, I never claimed that f2p games all have great communities. YOU were the one that claimed that f2p leads to toxic behavior and I counter that this is just not accurate at all.
That's what we call "shifting goalposts". Your claim was that subs prevent toxic behavior, not that it would discourage "some" toxic people. It will also discourage non-toxic people. That's my point, a subscription fee has no connection whatsoever to the behavior of a player base. That's all down to game design and the policing of the community.It's not a big assumption to make that some people will not want to pay a sub, and therefore some of those, who bring toxic attitudes into the community, don't make it in.
There are plenty of hobbies that are free, and better for your health; running, swimming, hiking, working out, etc... There are also A LOT of f2p games that are more fun than current WoW. Epic Games has free games on there all the time for example.
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I would be okay with having to buy major content patches instead as well, at least it would incentivize them to release good content more often or they don't get paid. 20$ for a patch or something.
Free to them is all they care about. I went years without paying for a single thing in the game and paying for the subs of most of my raid with gold. Yes Blizzard made out by us going that route, but for me it was free and for the people I gave tokens to completely free to them.
"Privilege is invisible to those who have it."
1. People saying should cost a monthly price are insane or bots from Blizzard.
2. That an option is P2W is already disgusting, no game should be P2W and wow isnt P2W either.
3. Game is as good as you feel like it is. The game is still biggest on the MMORPG market for a reason.
4. Game is no longer worth the full 15 euros a month in my opinion, should be free and buy to play (Game one time payment)
Ah, thought you were going with a different argument that gets thrown around here every now and then. My bad.
What you said about the game only being “free” if your time is worthless is still not correct, though. While I might be a bit concerned for someone who spent 100% of their free time playing WoW and half of that was dedicated to do something they really hated just to farm gold, that’s certainly not a reality for most people who use gold for their sub. I wouldn’t say that someone who only spends a fraction of their free time on WoW and only a fraction of that farming doesn’t value their time. Personally I’d been subbing this whole time essentially off the spoils of WoD and while it has depleted over time I made enough gold through my typical play style for it to last this long. No need to dedicate long hours of my free time to doing things I hate just for gold.
Definitely $100, good call.
"Today and forever I am your better, Arthas." - Illidan Stormrage
I made millions of gold in WoD and legion by just relogging to alts, it was minimal effort (~10 mins a day) but I wouldn't ever say it was free. It still cost my precious time that i could be doing something more enjoyable. So no matter how you spin it, and unless its during your natural not forced sleep, doing something that costs you time is not free.
Make it free -- what are you even paying for? Lackluster plot points every six months? Automatic report system? Donations for the molestation of women? Make it free.
1 $ in 2004 equals 1.5 $ today