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[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Or they don't care about the context because they don't care to appreciate more cartoony art.

Which is entirely up to them. Not everyone likes "cartoony" art. Not everyone likes more "realistic" art.

Art is subjective. That still doesn't excuse people from learning to appreciate different things. I used to a big fan of most of the OG Image guys but their limitations started to become more apparent when they didn't have an actual comic writer helping them a long.

Yes, it does actually. You don't have to like everything. I'm sure there are plenty of things you never learned to appreciate.

For example, there are Nickleback fans and Nickleback haters. Then there are people who heard 10s of a Nickleback song and then decided they suck. The latter group should probably listen to a few song suggestions from a fan or acknowledge they don't have the time and profess their ignorance.

And there are people that just don't like Nickelback. They've heard more than enough Nickelback to last a lifetime. Maybe they even once liked Nickelback...or liked that one song they did that one time... but now they've been overexposed to it...and they just can't listen to that shit anymore.

Its the same for comics. I understand not having the time or money to read all you like but there's nothing wrong with trying stuff outside your comfort zone.

Nothing wrong with it at all. I've never said "No one should ever step outside their comfort zone". But there's also nothing wrong with looking at something and deciding "no, that's not for me". I'm sure you don't go watch every single movie that gets released...because you know what you like and what you don't like.

Maybe if the person read Squirrel Girl he would learn to appreciate that style of art. Maybe not. Doesn't change the fact that his initial reaction upon seeing it was that he did not like it. And there's nothing wrong with that.

[Endus]

Which is entirely up to them. Not everyone likes "cartoony" art. Not everyone likes more "realistic" art.

Yes, it does actually. You don't have to like everything. I'm sure there are plenty of things you never learned to appreciate.

And this is where we get into the difference between saying "this isn't to my taste" and "this is actually bad".

The latter's not a purely subjective framing. It's stating a categorical, not a subjective preference.

It's the same difference between "No guac for me, I don't like avocado" and "how can you eat that shit? There's avocado in there and that shit's terrible."

Or, to re-use your Nickelback example, the difference between "I don't like this band" and "You shouldn't like this band, because they're bad".

[Xath]

Unbeatable Squirrel Girl #4. Art by Erica Henderson.

Explain why it’s bad.

The level of skill exhibited is around a 4th grade level. It really isn't that hard to draw a proper nose for example. The proportions are also terrifyingly off. Legit Liefeld work might be better than this at least that has detail.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

And this is where we get into the difference between saying "this isn't to my taste" and "this is actually bad".

The latter's not a purely subjective framing. It's stating a categorical, not a subjective preference.

It's the same difference between "No guac for me, I don't like avocado" and "how can you eat that shit? There's avocado in there and that shit's terrible."

Or, to re-use your Nickelback example, the difference between "I don't like this band" and "You shouldn't like this band, because they're bad".

Than the reverse applies as well. The difference between saying "This art is to my taste" and "this is actually good".

Or, sticking with Nickelback "I like this band" and "You should like this band... because they're rad."

Neither side is using subjective framing.

And that's been my point. Both are entitled to their subjective opinion about the quality of the art.

[Ivanstone]

Maybe if the person read Squirrel Girl he would learn to appreciate that style of art. Maybe not. Doesn't change the fact that his initial reaction upon seeing it was that he did not like it. And there's nothing wrong with that.

And then we end up right where I expected to be in the first place:

The level of skill exhibited is around a 4th grade level. It really isn't that hard to draw a proper nose for example. The proportions are also terrifyingly off. Legit Liefeld work might be better than this at least that has detail.

Erica Henderson is a graduate of the Rhode Island School of Design.
There's a face. It has two eyes, a mouth and a nose! Because its a face.
So are Donald Duck's proportions. What's your point?
Liefeld often tries to be detailed and sometimes fails. He's also very lazy because we've seen him do decent work at times. He has shown a very limited ability to do comedy although I think X-men #244 is still funny.

[Xath]

And then we end up right where I expected to be in the first place:



Erica Henderson is a graduate of the Rhode Island School of Design.
There's a face. It has two eyes, a mouth and a nose! Because its a face.
So are Donald Duck's proportions. What's your point?
Liefeld often tries to be detailed and sometimes fails. He's also very lazy because we've seen him do decent work at times. He has shown a very limited ability to do comedy although I think X-men #244 is still funny.

Donald Duck is much better drawn than that monstrosity. Just because someone is a design school graduate doesn't make all their work good.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

The level of skill exhibited is around a 4th grade level. It really isn't that hard to draw a proper nose for example. The proportions are also terrifyingly off. Legit Liefeld work might be better than this at least that has detail.

Galactus has a perfectly fine nose and squirrel girls proportions seem right on the money other then her fat head/face and feet being a bit small.

But With Galactus‘s fine head and squirrel girls less then fine one it seems like it comes down to a questionable sense of style and not lack of ability.

[Stormcall]

The level of skill exhibited is around a 4th grade level.

I've seen 4th grader artwork that puts that garbage to shame.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

And then we end up right where I expected to be in the first place:

Which doesn't actually change anything. We're still exactly where we started. You like the art. They don't. You're not going to change their mind just by repeating "No, it's really good" and they aren't going to change yours by repeating "Actually, it's really bad."

You just don't agree on a piece of comic book art. There are worse things in life to disagree over.

[Ivanstone]

Which doesn't actually change anything. We're still exactly where we started. You like the art. They don't. You're not going to change their mind just by repeating "No, it's really good" and they aren't going to change yours by repeating "Actually, it's really bad."

You just don't agree on a piece of comic book art. There are worse things in life to disagree over.

That’s not at all what happened.

I questioned why it was bad. His answer was predictable: “She’s so bad, a child could do better.” Seriously, the only thing I didn’t predict was what grade he was going to go with. Some people like to use the 6th grade. Some prefer kindergarten. He went with 4th grade.

It’s almost like I regularly have to deal with people who have weird arbitrary opinions on comic art.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

That’s not at all what happened.

I questioned why it was bad. His answer was predictable: “She’s so bad, a child could do better.” Seriously, the only thing I didn’t predict was what grade he was going to go with. Some people like to use the 6th grade. Some prefer kindergarten. He went with 4th grade.

It’s almost like I regularly have to deal with people who have weird arbitrary opinions on comic art.

Again, it doesn't matter why he thinks it's bad.

His opinion is not "weird" (there are many many people that feel the same way about that art). Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[Shadowferal]

Please tell me this isn't official artwork it's terrifyingly bad.

Yup...

Squirrel Girl inevitably coming to the MCU excites me, especially if she isn't a pure comic relief character despite being silly - Like Rocket was, and they made him great.

Last I heard that was Milana Vayntrub's role. And that was as part of the "New Warriors."

[SavoirFaire]

Yup... Last I heard that was Milana Vayntrub's role. And that was as part of the "New Warriors."

I really need to go back and re-read New Mutants. Back in the day I felt Bill Sienkiewicz ruined the book. I wonder if I’ll have a better appreciation of it now.

[Shadowferal]

I really need to go back and re-read New Mutants. Back in the day I felt Bill Sienkiewicz ruined the book. I wonder if I’ll have a better appreciation of it now.

When I first read New Mutants Bob McLeod did the artwork. I was in love with the series.


I share your opinion on Sienkiewicz.

[Xath]

That’s not at all what happened.

I questioned why it was bad. His answer was predictable: “She’s so bad, a child could do better.” Seriously, the only thing I didn’t predict was what grade he was going to go with. Some people like to use the 6th grade. Some prefer kindergarten. He went with 4th grade.

It’s almost like I regularly have to deal with people who have weird arbitrary opinions on comic art.

I didn't say she was bad I said this specific "art" was horrendous. I assume this isn't anywhere near the skill she actually has.

[Al Gorefiend]

Only true if you don't count Disney+.

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Art Appreciation is subjective.

And while the art shown is contextually appropriate for a Squirrel Girl Comic... that particular style wouldn't work for a lot of other titles.

There wasn't anything between far from home and WandaVision that I can remember, what are you referring to with disney+?

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

There wasn't anything between far from home and WandaVision that I can remember, what are you referring to with disney+?

I was referring tot his bit:

We have had a disproportionately less amount of Marvel after 2019 than we usually do... Looks back to normal now.

We had a dry spell in 2020 sure...but the Disney+ content more than makes up for that. Each D+ series is equivalent to about 2-3 films in regards to viewing time.

[Syegfryed]

Actor of the halo series said he talked to marvel about being wolverine, what you guys think?


Also supposed credit scenes of Morbius leaked as well, they don't seem to be very exciting.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Actor of the halo series said he talked to marvel about being wolverine, what you guys think?

Sure, if they want another 6 foot plus actor playing a character that's supposed to be 5'3... Pablo can probably pull it off.

[Ivanstone]

Sure, if they want another 6 foot plus actor playing a character that's supposed to be 5'3... Pablo can probably pull it off.

From Pornstache to Pornsideburns. I guess I can live with that.