How did Khadgar come to Shadowlands?

[Unholyground]

Makes you wonder why the Jailer didn't just go and get himself one of those powerful mages to make himself a portal like that to Azeroth. If it's as easy as that.

Well I assume the magic that locked him away was strong enough to prevent him from making portals.

[Iain]

Beside that, it spoils the base of life and death, all the faith/religion etc etc is literally obliterated nobody is going to be in the glory of light as per scarlet crusaders, people will die and a gigantic butter/yellow dildo will judge their soul.
Plus you can literally go to the Shadowlands and talk to souls to undercover crimes or "what was the piece of information you wanted to share before dying?" etc etc



Is literally the most dumb thing ever.


Nice Job Steve

That's arguably an even better point.

It feels like many fantasy settings have the afterlife locked behind a 'break in case of writer's block' glass pane. It's a quick injection of easy material and you get to bring back characters.

And it could work! If you're exploring an afterlife with a delicate touch, with a deep interest in exploring all the folklore of the people that reside in your universe, when you turn it into a mystical, esoteric and somewhat savage and primordial place that reflects the thoughts and beliefs of many different species.

I'd like to think that's what most people expected the Warcraft afterlife to be. A place where both the shamans and the paladins were sort of correct in their own way. Not necessarily a nice place, the afterlife can be raw and unforgiving, but still ancient and unspoiled.

But instead it felt like the writers went with 'yeah right, that's what you'd think wouldn't you, SIKE, welcome to the Citadel of Ricks!'.

[Lolites]

Makes you wonder why the Jailer didn't just go and get himself one of those powerful mages to make himself a portal like that to Azeroth. If it's as easy as that.

maybe bcs he didnt want to go there? its not like he even tried...
he wanted to go to ZM (and sepulcher) and he went there

[White Mage]

maybe bcs he didnt want to go there? its not like he even tried...
he wanted to go to ZM (and sepulcher) and he went there

Then what was the point of the Lich King?

[Goat7]

He was like SUPRISE MUTHAFUKA and then crip walked in like he is Snoop Dogg

[ablib]

Didn't take long for a Millennial to blame bad writing, when there is literally a portal in the Stormwind mage tower. There doesn't need to be any more thought to it than that.

[Lolites]

Then what was the point of the Lich King?

to gain enough power to break free and go to ZM?

[Caerule]

It wasn't the shattered over Icecrown that allowed us to come back and forth into Oribos. The shattered sky was our gateway into the Maw. From where the First Ones Gateway got us access to Oribos. Once there though, we forged a connection to Oribos and our world using that table thingie with that map of the Shadowlands. It allows for the connection to be forged to other realms, including Azeroth. Once that's done, the arcanists are sent off to the location to bring in reinforcements.

Blizzard has commented on the portal situation with the Shadowlands in an interview. If I recall, the portal is cannon, though they're not just letting anyone through. They'll open the way if the mages or Ebon Blade deem you have legit reason to go there and contribute. I doubt Khadgar had much trouble getting acknowledged and let in though. Nor should most adventurers and people with connections. But the average shopkeeper isn't able to just go.

What surprises me, isn't that people are still wanting to go back and forth, but that the Attendants of Oribos are still allowing it. They probably have the ability to shut that connection down. Perhaps the Eternal Ones still feel some things are not yet settled.

[cityguy193]

Didn't take long for a Millennial to blame bad writing, when there is literally a portal in the Stormwind mage tower. There doesn't need to be any more thought to it than that.

Doesnt take long for the alzheimer's in a boomer to forget thats just for gameplay purposes.

[Al Gorefiend]

But it's a temporary portal storywise. Portals usually aren't permanent. Somebody has to hold them open. So how did Khadgar get there?

You need to just accept portal magic in WoW can be whatever Blizz wants it to be. The Dark Portal is permanent, a ton of magic behind that beauty. Both factions have a lot of powerful mages in them that can create better portals than that even. The actual lore AFAIK is portals need to be established in both point A and point B, or point B needs a focal point of some kind the mage can detect in the area they want to be. Once we got mages in Oribos its GG, the afterlife is open to the living in lore now, that is the way it is.

If it matters that much, you're going to have to RP your character experiencing one hell of a curveball in their religious beliefs.

If it matters THAT THAT much, you can just pretend the caretakers shoo away anyone who isn't decked out in the armor of demon lords and dead gods.

[White Mage]

You need to just accept portal magic in WoW can be whatever Blizz wants it to be.

And storywise it's not the same as gameplaywise.

[Al Gorefiend]

And storywise it's not the same as gameplaywise.

We don't actually know this, they have flipflopped. We have characters that didn't walk the maw appear in Oribos after we established a foothold there. Obviously there is a lore portal or there would be no NPCs but us and the Ebons.

[Eosia]

nothing new, just more bad writing.

I guess you didn't do the Kyrian campaign. Literally the first quest is taking a portal that crosses the veil to Azeroth to retrieve the soul of someone in Likeshire who died. So we already have precedence of other means to get two/from the Shadowlands besides the portal to Orgrimmar/Stormwind.

[Al Gorefiend]

I guess you didn't do the Kyrian campaign. Literally the first quest is taking a portal that crosses the veil to Azeroth to retrieve the soul of someone in Likeshire who died. So we already have precedence of other means to get two/from the Shadowlands besides the portal to Orgrimmar/Stormwind.

erm no, that is actually established lore that Kyrian are unique in that regard. They can cross the veil solely because they are Kyrian, nothing else behind it.

[Jastall]

He's been hanging out in Oribos since 9.1 I believe. The Veil wasn't closed when he crossed.

As to how, he's an A tier Mage and we already opened the way beforehand. Of all the living Azeroth NPCs that show up in the Shadowlands his presence is the least surprising.

Now the issue as to how Liadrin and her BEs casually crossed back into said Shadowlands to play twenty questions with the Kyrian and Necrolords is an open one for sure. But Dadgar is legit, as always.

[Powerogue]

With 4% of his base mana.

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=344597/portal-oribos

[Hobbidaggy]

Same way we were able to use portals to WoD timeline. Once a mage goes there they are able to attune and read the energies etc etc and find a way back to their location they need. It was described as not easy but can be done.

[Sluvs]

Iknow it is a joke like haha tourist atraction haha but khadgar is literally one of the most powerful mages in existence.

It is not a stretch to believe that he was there before 9.2.5 nor its a stretch to believe that he can recreate a portal that was already opened.

[Irian]

Khadgar has been hanging out as a raven in Oribos for god knows how long. He didn't come there after the veil was closed, that's fake news.

Why does it feel like everyone has been ignoring this?

The raven is confirmed to be Khadgar at this point, he's been here watching the whole time. This isn't some kind of new thing, you can go find the raven on live servers right now.

[Nathreim]

Khadgar is the most powerful mortal mage alive. He can make portals to alternate dimensions 35 years in the past with ease. Traveling to the shadowlands would be easy for him specially when even low and mid tier death knights do it all the time.