Cataclysm Classic: Leveling in a Shattered Landscape
Cataclysm Classic: Leveling in a Shattered Landscape
Cataclysm Classic: Leveling in a Shattered Landscape
Are we approaching a Solo Raid WoW Experience?
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With the same resources for all 3 guilds? Paragon would still shame them.Originally Posted by gobarj
Also, wasn't an old paragon member part of some wf kills for echo this tier?
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2022-03-31, 02:15 PM #4261Brewmaster
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2022-03-31, 02:16 PM #4262Titan
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While true, BFA was also when the top guilds started streaming, so that muddles the numbers a bit. MMO-C thread is obviously going to be more popular when it's the fastest way to get news on new % best, who's doing what on the fights, etc. Now you can just watch it instead. Originally Posted by Dranged
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2022-03-31, 02:25 PM #4263The Insane
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I don't agree with @Azerate but your comparison is a bit skewed as well. Most of those longer RWF threads were from the time before it was streamed so there was a lot more speculation from posters about what was happening. (For a long time we'd have to wait for World 5th to even see the last boss.) It's not even remotely fair to correlate the number of pages in the RWF thread with the popularity of the game. (You'd also extrapolate that WoD was more popular than this expansion. kekW) Originally Posted by Dranged
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2022-03-31, 03:07 PM #4264Herald of the Titans
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I have no horse in this race, but wondering how much discussion has migrated to other sites like Reddit for example? Wouldn't ignore that factor. Originally Posted by Dranged
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2022-03-31, 03:16 PM #4265The Insane
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Speaking of unique Paragon strategies, their Archy kill was also pretty cool because they came up with a completely different way of handling the Wrought Chaos. (Most guilds used Method's WeakAura, Paragon had pre-assigned slots.) Originally Posted by SpaghettiMonk
I kinda miss it if I'm being honest; with the RWF being streamed these days it's extremely unlikely extremely divergent strategies like this will happen.
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2022-03-31, 03:26 PM #4266Scarab Lord
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Especially considering the UI if i remember correctly it was very... special. Originally Posted by tomten
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2022-03-31, 03:40 PM #4267Herald of the Titans
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Wat. People on twitch being monetized and others giving up their loot for gold is "involvement" that has no bearing at all at how hard it would be. Originally Posted by gobarj
Yes: it would be difficult to recruit only from Finland; but that was always difficult; it was not easy back then either.
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2022-03-31, 03:58 PM #4268The Patient
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There's some other players that stayed. For example Viklund, one of the most skilled player of all WOW, or Cayna, who always bring a good atmosphere in the raids. Originally Posted by Azerate
But I totally agree that Method's 2nd place is a feat of strength and a big showcase of mental fortitude from Sco. Gratz to him and all the Method raiders.
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2022-03-31, 04:04 PM #4269Titan
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More people spurging on the streams then sites like Reddit. Streaming took off after Legion. and you can see that the pages count gets halved going into BfA. Originally Posted by Dangg
Don't need to beg for details on what is happening in a race no one can see when its now on Twitch.It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
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2022-03-31, 04:08 PM #4270Bloodsail Admiral
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Paragon was one of the pioneers of alt raiding though. In ICC. They made 2 or 3 of their classes and then raided progression to try and get the kill. For context, this was a result of the limited pull counter. It increased every week, but it was quite limited at the start. By making and running alts, they were able to double, triple or more their pull counts and get more info faster. It was a fairly revolutionary (and somewhat degenerate) approach to the game at the time. Originally Posted by SpaghettiMonk
I believe only Premonition was doing something similar... I think for Tribute to Immortality maybe?"When you build it, you love it!"
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2022-03-31, 05:17 PM #4271Field Marshal
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discussions and hype have moved to discord an/or twitch. you are just showing the decline in viewership on MMO-champion Originally Posted by Dranged
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2022-03-31, 05:38 PM #4272Mechagnome
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Found ny'alotha: 211! Originally Posted by Dranged
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2022-03-31, 05:49 PM #4273Mechagnome
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Class stackings was very much something that existed back to at least Cata. Here is Paragon's kill of Nefarian 25HM. Originally Posted by SpaghettiMonk
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2022-03-31, 05:50 PM #4274Mechagnome
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Did you not bother reading the post I quoted at all? He claimed that the mmo-c RWF threads were now 5 times as long as they used to be. That was what I responded to. Originally Posted by Styx
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2022-03-31, 06:26 PM #4275Elemental Lord
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That's an extreme example. Feral was stacked there due to some bug with their dots being too strong. Originally Posted by Jngizu
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2022-03-31, 06:27 PM #4276Herald of the Titans
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Man I love rewatching randomly linked previous WF kills. They usually have a fun quirk... whether its class/spec stacking, a strategy used that encounter designers clearly didnt intend, dubious use of boss mechanics, or outright bug exploiting.
And THE NUMBER 1 RULE: Make sure to add "Two Steps to Hell" music to every video.... to make it 100% more epic.
Heres another fun blast from the past with Paragons Heroic Al'AKir kill and the quirky p1 strat.,... and mass immunity/cloak stacking so they could reset the p2 Acid Rain debuff.
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2022-03-31, 06:29 PM #4277Banned
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Aah yes, the classical "but no that doesn't count because <insert excuse X>"... you can also admit that Jngizu has a point Originally Posted by Makabreska
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2022-03-31, 06:34 PM #4278Elemental Lord
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I mean, you can also not randomly chime in and berate me when I simply pointed out the reason for that single case of stacking and didn't disregard his point in general. Originally Posted by 8bithamster
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2022-03-31, 06:58 PM #4279Mechagnome
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Day time raiding was also not so universal until ICC. I can still remember how some of the top guilds got into trouble when day time raiding became more and more of a focus. Paragon also had its share in this change. It also took a few more tiers before day time raiding became a permanent part of RWF.
Class stacking, however, does not necessarily have to be based on Paragon. Class Stacking became an issue in WotLK, also because the elitism in WotLK slowly arrived in the mainstream. People also started to focus more on min-maxing in PUGs. Meta-Speccs, at that time still called FOTM, became mainstream.
However, Paragon presented a new level of class stacking with the Nefarian kill. Never before had something like that been popularized.
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2022-03-31, 07:32 PM #4280Field Marshal
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I somehow miss jamming with everyone in Echo's chat.
