So the upshot of this is essentially: I think I wanted Classic Wrath of the Lich King, but I don't.
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If they ever want to make any changes to classic X expansion, it should be adding in all the cut content.
Might make the likes of Cata and WoD worth playing.
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TBC Classic literally started with the earlier, harder versions of raids. If you're going to post, at least have some idea about the topic of which you speak.
And guess what...it was a total failure because the average player doesn't want that 'extra challenge'. They want to relax and play old content. This e-sport crap is cancer for Retail and even worse for a Classic server.
I'll pass on any tune ups thanks
Can make a tune up mode though, that sounds cool
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I disagree on normal mode, i think they should leave normal as it is, be accessible to everybody. However, I do agree they should buff heroic 10-25 by a lot. So if you want easy loot, stay in your lane. If you want to have a challenge, do heroics.
They have the season of mastery changes for Naxx. Put those in the Wrath Naxx so T7 isn't a complete joke(more than it was before) and things will probably be fine imo. I wouldn't mind some HP buffs, but players did start getting better in Wrath, just like in TBC from classic. So some of the "hard" Wrath bosses will still pose a challenge. If they really wanted to do something good, they'd just break weakauras.
I'd rather them not touch it at all, while it may not be perfect IMO it's better than anything the current designers can make, and I'd rather them leave their grubby mitts off it. (am Thinking of re-subbing for it but I'd rather it be like it was, not how the current dev's think it should be).
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Frankly you can tune it all you want, it's still going to be old content and as such very easy unless you tune it way into unfun territory and even then it's going to be tedious moreso than interesting or even challenging.
It's really not an issue of tuning, it's an issue of being overprepared because you're literally doing decades old content.
You want new takes on old bosses? I'm with you, but frankly you do not need classic for that, timewalking will do the job a lot better.
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I was of this opinion when classic was originally re-released, but with Season of Mastery, I find most people actually love the changes that were implemented. As long as it's not stuff like LFR, or something where you can buy transmog items in a cash shop. Really the players just liked the way the system encouraged folks to team up with each other, big raids, and the mechanics were fun.
The one big complaint I've seen from SoM is that not enough changes were implemented. For most, they were able to do just about all the stuff they wanted to do last time in classic. This time around many would love to see new content. I'd also like to mention that blizz had a lot of stuff in vanilla that never got released, so that could be a good place to start. As long as they stay true to the mechanics and spirit of the game, new content would absolutely be welcomed.
First off, Class changes are always going to impact difficulty and generally speaking, players are stronger on the latest build if you discount the abuse of some broken specs that always exist in the early days of an expansion.
I don't know, i wouldn't call T5 a failure simply because KT and Vashj were more challenging than your average Classic / TBC boss.
I'm not arguing for buffing Wotlk content, but people think that this is some sort of binary thing where you can only have super easy bosses or straight up modern day Mythic final boss encounters.
And frankly, from the numbers on Warcraftlogs i've seen, the people who failed to kill Kael'thas / Vashj were actually in the minority.
Absolutely not, classic is for us dad gamers, do not ruin it and make us actually wipe, we hate wiping.
the "hardcore classic" gamers could not even handle pre-nerf tbc raids lol
For me personally a lot of the fun in raiding classic (+ TBC Classic) came from actually seeing the difference of how I experienced it back then compared to how I do now. And in some places the difference was huge
In their own interest Blizzard should try to provide a product that the majority of their classic-playerbase wants. From my point of view Classic and TBC Classic were a huge success for Blizzard. A lot of paying players enjoy the game and are sticking to it (even though the game probably didnt provide a "real" cutting edge content from an objective point of view).
I personally lack the information if more people would enjoy harder content, but if I'd have to guess, I think most people dont.
So for me this sounds like a bad idea.
Classic is and should be a big nostalgia trip. Think of Classic as a huge LFR, you just play, see the content, but don't really wipe or get really challenged in mechanics etc. And that's a good thing, that's what this version of the game should be, focused on just having fun, focused on community.
If you make it too hard, it kills the whole purpose of this game.
I had also hoped we’d get a Classic+
I even wrote a story that would move from Classic all the way through the Cata era while making the entire story coherent.
No entirely new content would need to be created either just tweaked.
Sad that they chose not to go this route though.
its gonna be easy no matter what they do. for some people. the top guilds will always same day it. the same way they do it on retail when mythinc hits. there are plans and ways to gear for it. and funnel gear to core raid teams.
thats not what most of us are there for.
im on my second time in tbc classic and im loving it. some of it is challenging to me. some of it isnt. but its fun and i get to play with my friends again in things we love to do for a few hours a week. classic is the only ting i still have a sub for. i dont play retail cause i dont like it. i love wrath. if they screw around and take away what i like about wrath i have no reason to play anymore. only reason im still here is i knew wrath would come around eventually. thats it. when wrath drops that is what i will play till im tired of playing. i dont like the retail stuff. i buy the expacs cause the money helps them stay in business so i can play classic. ive logged about 5 hours since launch on shadowlands. ive logged hundreds of hours on classic and tbc classic. so im good with wrath being the way it is.
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I've noticed how op has never just said that they want something always seems to tell people what they want for progression. While I understand what they are saying I think they have vastly overestimated the amount of people that feel the same or care about legacy in things we have already done.