There will be a preorder tomorrow; DONT BUY IT. This benefits you.

[Ezyah]

How about you let us decide that for ourselves.

[ercarp]

I can't even afford a pre-order until next month so I won't be pre-ordering anything even if I wanted to.

[Biggles Worth]

I agree. Buying straight away sends the message that they are back on track. That they always had us and we are always ready to be back at an instant. We need to play a bit harder to get. Let them work for it up until release and not take it easy.

I've always found that even if the expansion is objectively not so great, the first month of expansion launch is always hype and fun. The not so hot ones generally have me for 2 months max per launch. 2 months out of a 24 month expansion. They could get an additional $330 per expansion out of me through subscription fees if they made it good to play all the ways through but that never happens unfortunately. We know for a fact the launch will bring in tons of players, good or not. It's always about making a product worth staying subscribed for that they're not good at. That's what they really need to work for.

[Kumorii]

I mean, what's the point of pre-ordering if you're going to play the game anyway?
Even if that would improve the game by 1% for the 1% of the playerbase, while not changing the gameplay for the people who enjoy the game as it is right now, why not doing that?



I know from experience that companies aren't really taking care of customers if they pre-order things. That's a fact. I am not saying that every company is doing such a thing, but statistically if you give your money to company before they finish their work, they will finish it later or less neatly. It's because they already got your money, they aren't in hurry, they know that a large portion of customers won't do anything with it. And I am not writing about the gaming companies only, it affects all kind of companies.



There were plenty of feedback about covenant, soulbinds, legendaries, Torghast in PTR/9.0. See what happened? They listend to it... after a year or longer. The playerbase was bleeding because they couldn't do one or two changes. The official forums were flooded with threads about covenant problems. But that's not the point of the discussion.

As I wrote above, even if not pre-ordering the game, would give us 1% chance of making the game 1% better, we shouldn't pre-order. That's just my opinion. If there's something that wouldn't change my gameplay, wouldn't harm me in any possible way, but could make other players gaming experience better - I'd certainly do that.

I guess that's how the people are living now. Not caring for others, not doing anything for others, even though they wouldn't actually have to do anything special. I've seen plenty of reactions of other people in certain situations. Most of people are just egocentrics who lack wider perspective.

You're entire post is missing my point.
You keep spouting "1% chance of making it better for 1%". What if that 1% is making it worse for 40%? or just 2%?
You talk about caring for others while ignoring people who might like things as they are.
You are making a mistake by thinking if it's better for 1% it means it didn't change for anyone else, except that it did indeed change for everyone who decides to play the game. So for some that change is for the worse while for some it's for the better while it's neither here nor there for majority.

You make the assumption that any change that's happening because of not pre-ordering is for the better when that's foolish. Because any change, even if you dislike how it currently is, could lead to the worse. Hell, even if there is a change that is better according to you or the 1%, it could be worse for the 2% or more.

Saying you care about the 1% and that others aren't thinking of others is kind of weird. Since that's not even close to majority and usually when people care for others it's because it's a majority, to think of as many people as you can. Especially when it comes to stuff where you can't please everyone. Usually when you think of the small %, it's often because it's inline with your own goals. Do you want Blizzard to change WoW's direction? if yes, then I can see why you argue for the 1%.

however, my entire point is that if you don't pre-order because you think it can lead to change so some might enjoy WoW. People can choose to pre-order to have it stay the same for the people who enjoy the game. Both of the choices is thinking of one group ahead of the other. None of the choices encompasses everyone.

[Lolites]

That makes people like you egoistic. If there's a way to improve gameplay, even for the small amount of people, while things won't change for you - you will get the game anyway, then it's you who is at fault.

how do you know? the changes some of you want to "improve the game" which you swarm forums with and which in 99% times sounds absolutely TERRIBLE might very well ruin the game for us, just to please people who already left the game, so ofc it changes things for us...

[Grimbold21]

1.) Do not prepurchase until they proved it is worth your money
2.) Do not believe anything without asking what it might cost and until you were able to see gameplay from a beta player
3.) Every obviously positive change has a negative consequence. Especially from the blizzard devs
4.) Do not fall for labels. Most times they simply take an existing gameplay component and give it a new name.
5.) Do not believe they will implement all the features they announce. They often did not in the past

And whatever you do..

Do not get hyped. Be a customer, and no blind fan.

And always check what the devs reasoning is for a change. While you expect it is for the players, it often is simply to reduce their effort or to make more money, or to let players sub for longer. The developers normally give a shit about player agency, and create the game for their own sake with their own bias.

Not sure there's that much of a difference between a customer and a blind fan. Perhaps you're thinking too fairly of the customer, when in fact a customer is likely a self-centered individual who puts their wants and needs first, even if they've been get shafted years on end.

[Lolites]

Warnings like this do absolutely nothing, because millions of people will still pre-order regardless of what you say. Humans don't follow logic, humans can see that we will have a huge effect on something if everyone just does the same thing, but we will never do that same thing.

honestly, even if half of players didnt peorder it wouldnt have effect, beta is when they test things already DONE, they wont scratch the expansion and start over they might do minor changes and thats it, but that have fuck all to do with preorders, more with feedback... if they wanted to gut the expansion and start over it wouldnt be ready before 2025, and people leaving in the meantime due to no new content would cost them more than people leaving due to not liking new content

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I assume at this point they are just trolling us here. Who even buys a product without even knowing what it is (i.e., those who say they will preorder the second pre-order come online)?

tbh, we KNOW what it is, it wont be some new game it will be wow expansion, after playing the game for 17 years i think i have an idea if ill like the next expansion, or at least if ill get my moneys worth...

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dont preorder and crash their sales in Q2

except you dont even know where they account preorder earnings, and given they count all preorders in day1 sales im pretty sure they count the money there too, bcs for investors it would look pretty bad that at release game didnt earn much... thats probably why they count preorders into day 1 sales after all...
so if you buy it today or on release day or anytime between it doesnt matter... if you dont buy it at all, thats different, but doesnt have much to do with preorders

[Caprias]

"How can they keep getting away with unfinished releases?!?"

This thread:

[Goge]

People can't admit to themselves preorders haven't made any logical sense for 10+ years cause they can't stop foaming at the mouth over new collectibles for a game they know nothing about.

Preorders made sense when everything still came in physical form, as a way to be certain you would be in possession of the game and not rely on retailers having enough stock.

Gamers have no spine.

[Niwes]

Let people make their own decision on buying it or not.

yeah ofc, but the OPs advice is 100% correct. if you want a good xpac as next xpac, you should not pre give them their money.

they should keep the goal of „we must deliver this time“ till release. if you pay them for ideas, images and marketing before release, Blizzards greedy management will go „we already made our money“ and cut game designers budgets. result: another halfassed xpac release.

we as customers want quality and quantity. we get none of them, if we pre pay them for thin air.

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How about you let us decide that for ourselves.

how about ppl not being that stupid, so OP don’t need to give such advice?

[Yarathir]

Imagine buying the game anyways right at launch after swearing to not preorder it then complain it sucks and come back 2 years later to tell people not to preorder.

Literally everyone with this take.

Stop worrying about how others spend their money, almost everyone in this thread will be in the xpac day 1 regardless of if they preordered it tomorrow or bought it at launch.

I don't preorder shit unless it's like a week out or a CE I want but why should I care if others do? Yawn.

I love how you assume people, if they don't pre-order, will necessarily still immediately play it on launch.

Lol lmao.

[Niwes]

Yup, this post will certainly stop people.

yeah, sadly stupid ppls keep being stupid AF

[Yarathir]

And /Thread

True, OP really has to take that gun off the back of people's heads and forcing them physically to stop pre-ordering things. That's just insane.

[Santti]

Don't pre-order, anything, ever. It's a stupid practice that has made the video game industry crap.

You lose nothing if you wait for the actual release, or when there has been some kind of reviews.

[Yarathir]

I'll spend my money on whatever I want to spend my money on, thanks.

Maybe I will buy it, maybe I won't. Some random post on a minority forum certainly isn't gonna sway my decision either way. Especially not when said forum is full of people who like to hate regardless.

"You can't tell me what to do, dad!"

[Aydinx2]

Don't pre-order, anything, ever. It's a stupid practice that has made the video game industry crap.

You lose nothing if you wait for the actual release, or when there has been some kind of reviews.

You lose out on pre-order bonuses.
Only people who say "don't pre-order ever" are the idiots who bought No Man's Sky, Fallout 76 or Cyberpunk and then pretended like nobody could've seen it coming.

[Ealyssa]

I'll be preordering because my life isn't devoted to hating blizzard.

This. I will play the next expansion no matter what. I may not like it and quite during. But I will be there having fun at launch with my friends.
My life those revolve arround hating Blizzard or any other company reall and the price is literally irrelevant to me. It's a very instant pre-order as soon as available. Haters gonna hate, if pathetic nolifers have nothing better to do good for them I guess. But maybe get out and touch some grass cause you're damn pathetic...

[Yarathir]

How about you let us decide that for ourselves.

Yes, OP. Take that goddamn gun from people's heads you lunatic. Let them decide for themselves.

[Santti]

You lose out on pre-order bonuses.
Only people who say "don't pre-order ever" are the idiots who bought No Man's Sky, Fallout 76 or Cyberpunk and then pretended like nobody could've seen it coming.

Pre-order bonuses? Can you really not live without those?

And no, I never bought any of those games, thanks. Because, get this; I waited until the reviews were out.

[Sanguinerd]

If anything I'll pre-order just to annoy OP at this point.