There's a bigger plot hole here. If these Dracthyr were created before the Sundering, before Neltharion went mad with Old God corruption, why are they choosing to turn into humans and blood elves? Shouldn't they be turning into a race that existed back then, like night elves and trolls? Maybe Mogu and Pandaren? Seriously, it's a weird choice lore-wise.
As I said in another post, the WoW community is full of double standards. Void Elves get added and get called an asspull cause they don't like it, but some basic dragon thing gets added and it suddenly makes sense even if it creates a rift in the lore's logic.
Can't believe this abomination took over the slot of a new class only to get another 10 years of "we don't need a new class".
I don't care about (or read) the story/lore/dialogs in any game, *but* I imagine it's somewhat difficult to keep track of things that were written 3 years ago, let alone 10+.
I get most sane people presumably are talking about major points in the story, but still.
he probably saw the dragon form model and was like what is this shit lmao and so he just started to research chromatic dragons
I think you're getting things confused, here. I think the drakthyr and the chromatic dragonflight are completely separate, independent experiments.
The drakthyr were created by Neltharion. And since Blizzard specifically used the Aspect of Earth's name from before his corruption and transformation into Deathwing, it implies that the Drakthyr were created before Nefarian even thought about experimenting in creating a chromatic dragonflight.
And considering Evokers get a starting zone of their own (for being a hero class) I'm assuming that the drakthyr were created prior to the Dragon Isles being isolated from the rest of Azeroth, and went dormant along with the rest of those in the Isles, only waking up again when the Watchers reawakened the Isles.
"Torturing someone is not an evil thing to do if it is done for good reasons" by Varodoc
"You sit in OG/SW waiting on a Mythic+ queue" by Altmer <- Oh, the pearls in this forum...
"They sort of did this Dragonriding, which ushered in the Dracthyr race." by Teriz <- the BS some people reach for their narratives...
God, you're probably already the 10th commenter that points me to the fact that Nefarian created them. I KNOW IT. The text you highlighted also indicates that Deathwing continued his experiments. I'm not pointing out that Nefarian couldn't create them, but that even when Deathwing personally intervened during the Cataclysm, he still had huge problems creating a successful dragon. Even the successful Chromatus was only brought to life by an incredibly large amount of arcane energy from the Nexus.
"Torturing someone is not an evil thing to do if it is done for good reasons" by Varodoc
"You sit in OG/SW waiting on a Mythic+ queue" by Altmer <- Oh, the pearls in this forum...
"They sort of did this Dragonriding, which ushered in the Dracthyr race." by Teriz <- the BS some people reach for their narratives...
I'm pretty sure that darkoms is saying that Nefarian is the one that started the Chromatic dragon experiments, and then after Neltharion/Deathwing continued the experiments there were still major problems/struggles with it. So considering the problems that Deathwing had with it, darkoms finds it strange that he had already perfected something very similar to it 10,000 years prior to that.
Not trying to step into the debate at this moment, but I hate seeing miscommunications run amok. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, darkoms.
As far as I know, Nefarian only began his experiments after the corruption of the black dragonflight, which means the drakthyr (again, created by Neltharion) pre-date Nefarian even beginning his experiments, and-- again, the way I see it-- the reason Nefarian couldn't be as successful as his father is that he both lacked the knowledge and the equipment, since it was all locked away in the Dragon Isles, and so Nefarian had to do with what he got, namely shoddy goblin machinery and alchemy instead of Titan facilities.
"Torturing someone is not an evil thing to do if it is done for good reasons" by Varodoc
"You sit in OG/SW waiting on a Mythic+ queue" by Altmer <- Oh, the pearls in this forum...
"They sort of did this Dragonriding, which ushered in the Dracthyr race." by Teriz <- the BS some people reach for their narratives...
Which hinges strongly on whether or not the dracthyr were "perfected," which isn't addressed in what we know and prior sources point to not being the case. If the dracthyr were the end-all and be-all, it's doubtful that Deathwing would've charged Nefarian with continuing his work, or picked up Nefarian's work after his death to continue creating Chromatus or the Twilight dragonflight.
"We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead
I tentatively agree that these are both possible explanations as to why the Dracthyr wouldn't cause an inconsistency with the Chromatic experiments. I also came up with idea that Neltharion's decent into madness and the loss of the Dracthyr as a template meant that he couldn't easily recreate his success with the Chromatic Dragons. Just a wild head-canon/theory, but I think it could also avoid the problem.
My previous post's intention was just to try to help avoid more confusion surrounding whether the OP was talking about Neltharion/Deathwing or Nefarian creating the Dracthyr.
Oh, thank God, at least someone here can read correctly. Thank you for helping this person understand what is written in the post!
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Um, what? I created a topic both here and on Reddit, this does not mean that I did not know it. Although there also were a couple of people with dyslexia on reddit who cannot read the first post correctly and think that I am confusing Nefarian and Neltharion
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It's not even about their perfection, the fact is that mixing the forces of all 5 flights has always been positioned as a huge problem due to force overload. And even though the Draktyrs are partially mortal and weaker than dragons, don't you think that's even stranger? I mean, if they have mortal blood, shouldn't they die even faster because they can't withstand that kind of power? However, Blizzard quietly tells us how cool they are and how their heal specialization combines the power of the Emerald Dream and time magic.
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"I am deathwing, I left the dragon isles to go cause havoc, alright i am done, time to go back to my lab where ALL OF MY NOTES AND RESEARCH on making drakthyr are... oh... wait... where is the island?"
Thats it, literally it.
deathwing figured it out but then went insane and didnt have access to them anymore, so he gave up, nefarian tried to do it again.
the exact same way us as humans have forgotten how to do countless things, like we still dont know what greek fire was made of, we can assume, but the knowledge of what it was exactly was lost, among countless other bits of the past.
and 10,000 years is a LONG time.
Mixing the *full* forces of all 5 flights, yes. A power that, while having access to perhaps all 5 forms of power, the dracthyr obviously don't wield considering that they're more or less on par with mortal spellcasters. You're essentially mixing metaphors here as well - the developers are talking about "how cool" they are from a Watsonian standpoint, in that they're a new race and class we (as players) have never seen in WoW before, which is true. But in the Doylist or in-game context, they're not all that impressive or even super powerful - they're just another mortal race and class, with similarly scaled abilities.
Druids wield the magic of the Emerald Dream as well, and Mages have access to some forms of chronomantic magic. So again, the dracthyr while unique aren't exceedingly powerful, nor do they come close to wielding the full might of dragons, much less the Aspects in the way Chromatus achieved.
"We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead