Batman's Deleted Scene - Joker

[username993720]

What do you think about this new Joker?
Where does he rank among the other Jokers, based on what is shown, and of course, the big question: how is he compared to Heath Ledger's?



I find his laugh and his looks very eerie. Kind of young for a Joker, but very disturbing.

If you ask me, this version of the Joker tends to be overlooked, but is very good in my opinion:

[Wonderment2]

I audibly sighed during the jokers apperance in the cinema, an entire scene if it would have been torture.

From what I saw the actor was fine, him being imprisoned limits what he can do clearly. Batman has other bad guys and I'd rather avoid another generation adopting the Joker as an edgy symbol.

[Soulwind]

He's certainly one of the more fucked up looking ones, easily the most disfigured we've seen in live-action. While this wouldn't be an issue in comics, it'd be fairly unrealistic for him to be very physically active, or to "hide in plain sight" as the character often does.

But I'd say this iteration is probably not meant to be a recurring villain who breaks out every couple of weeks to gas people during some parade. Maybe this one wouldn't ever leave Arkham at all, and his first and only appearance was enough to leave a permanent scar on the city, and Batman.

[Sorshen]

It was fine. I like that they're taking risks, and not yet another 'origin' story.

[Varitok]

I audibly sighed during the jokers apperance in the cinema, an entire scene if it would have been torture.

From what I saw the actor was fine, him being imprisoned limits what he can do clearly. Batman has other bad guys and I'd rather avoid another generation adopting the Joker as an edgy symbol.

I am 100% on board. Especially the last part, I hate to survive my teens with all these angsty, edgy people adopting the Joker as some sort of symbol to worship and I don't think I can survive that cringe again.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Nowhere near Heath Ledgers Joker, and I say that as someone who also thinks Heath's Joker was overrated. Joaquin Phoenix was pretty good though even though I didn't enjoy Joker.

[username993720]

Nowhere near Heath Ledgers Joker, and I say that as someone who also thinks Heath's Joker was overrated. Joaquin Phoenix was pretty good though even though I didn't enjoy Joker.

Joaquin Phoenix felt like he was a genuine misfotunate character. Less so a Joker.

[Sorshen]

Nowhere near Heath Ledgers Joker, and I say that as someone who also thinks Heath's Joker was overrated. Joaquin Phoenix was pretty good though even though I didn't enjoy Joker.

They're all very different takes on the character.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Joaquin Phoenix felt like he was a genuine misfotunate character. Less so a Joker.

It was a different Joker that's true, not like Heath or Nicolson's Joker. But I did like the way it went away from the fantastic and went more with a realistic dramatic tone. Of the DC Characters Joker has always been one that made me ask why or how someone might turn out like him. It was hard to decide how I felt about Joker Watchin the film.

So I agree with you it really didn't fit The Batman. It was an Interesting film, but again I didn't enjoy it. I went in because I wanted to see the Joker, it really wasn't it.


This clip I didn't like because they went way over the top, they made him look like a monster and had him act like one too.

As to The Batman, I haven't seen that aside from bits and pieces so maybe this style of Joker fits that telling some way. However Riddler reminded me a lot of Bane. But Riddler looked good.

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They're all very different takes on the character.

Yeah different takes, I understand that but "Joker" really didn't feel like much of a connection to the Character Joker.

[Makabreska]

Just like with Arkham games, it is getting annoying when they insert Joker so often. Batman has sick rogues gallery, yet they keep going for the safest and most obvious. Someone like Hush would be fresh and could fit really well in this setting.

[Koriani]

*just sits very confused how anyone can fairly compare five minutes worth of one Joker to movie-long-performances (and mores worth) of other Jokers*

I mean a five minute scene tells you jack squat about how that character/actor/whatever would play out over two hours or more. Talk about people 'filling in their own information' here on where/what/how any of that might play out over more time. *shrugs* Have fun!

[StillMcfuu]

I would have preferred the Gotham Joker actor, but this was fine. I felt that Riddler essentially just played Ledger's Joker as the Riddler. Not to any detriment, I think Dano is fantastic in everything. But the plot/character beats felt pretty much the same between Riddler and TDK.

[Biomega]

Dear gods I thought it couldn't get any worse. How tryhard is this.

[username993720]

Of the DC Characters Joker has always been one that made me ask why or how someone might turn out like him.

Well, in the Dark Knight, Heath Ledger says "what doesn't kill you simply makes you stranger". It implies that he survived several assassination attempts, or encounters with Death, which really fucked him up.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

From what I saw the actor was fine, him being imprisoned limits what he can do clearly. Batman has other bad guys and I'd rather avoid another generation adopting the Joker as an edgy symbol.

Indeed. The Joker was a dead horse two decades ago and still is today. Enough is enough. But corporations will keep milking his image 100 years from now. It seems that the destiny of the superhero genre is to watch a man in a black suit punch a clown. Forever.

[Kathandira]

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I dig it, but it kinda feels like an attempt at recapturing the Heath Ledger joker with the breathing and salivating sounds.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Well, in the Dark Knight, Heath Ledger says "what doesn't kill you simply makes you stranger". It implies that he survived several assassination attempts, or encounters with Death, which really fucked him up.

I think that makes sense but I would like for it to be clear as to where Joker cannon wise comes from definitively.

[8bithamster]

tbf, anything is better than the nerds cumming over Heath Ledger everytime. There have been way way better jokers (Mark Hamill anyone?) and way different jokers (Jack Nicholson). Everyone was amazing in their own right, yet whenever you mention this; the Heath Ledger fanboys come out of the woodwork to screech that Ledger was the bestest ever, and that you're wrong for liking anyone else.

I like this new scene, but it's frantically appealing to the Ledger fans, so yay for them I guess?

[Doctor Amadeus]

*just sits very confused how anyone can fairly compare five minutes worth of one Joker to movie-long-performances (and mores worth) of other Jokers*

I mean a five minute scene tells you jack squat about how that character/actor/whatever would play out over two hours or more. Talk about people 'filling in their own information' here on where/what/how any of that might play out over more time. *shrugs* Have fun!

Well we know what Joker looks like in The Batman, we can also here in his voice, his inflection, the cadence in which he speaks. While situationally it doesn't give us every detail, but it for sure gives a lot.

Keep in mind when actors Audition for such role they are often be considered based on the exact same snapshot. Here we got much more than that, where as typically for auditions they don't have make up, scene setting etc.

I think it's fair we all don't agree on what we saw, but I don't think it's accurate to say it's not enough to form an opinion as I said Actors audition for roles all the time, sometime the writers and directors "creative" go one way, while studio's and producers "Financial & Marketing" go another.


I personally found the performance (Acting) under whelming and the prosthetics and make up doesn't change that. What was written (Writing) wasn't very good either in terms of dialog, and the choice for setting direction as in joker is already in prison doesn't work either(Directing).

[Soulwind]

I thought it was fine. And Joker is used so often because he's the guy people (as in general audience) know the most, not really anything more to it.

To be fair, it's the one people know because it's the one they always use because it's the one people know.