Visage forms don't make sense

[Dractier]

They aren't actual dragons. They probably can't make a fully accurate visage considering they can't fully fly either.

I love reading comments like this, they are so hilarious. Like where did you even come up with this stuff with the very little information we have lol.

[Sagenod]

So you’re saying it doesn’t make sense because the forms purposefully have dragon-Esq features giving them away? Why would a solider need to disguise the fact that they are a dragon? It would make sense that they would want their allies to know they are dracthyr so they knew who they were conversing with.

It only makes sense to truly hide who you are to either enemies or people who are out to kill you. Like onyixia did or deathwing or kaelcgos.

Dracthyr from what I gather are just meant to be soldiers not recon, they shouldn’t give a fuck about hiding their identity because they are just there to fuck you up

Given the Evoker is a spellcaster-oriented class and the Drac'thyr are rather lithe when compared to the Drakonids (the literal shock-troopers of the Dragonflights), I would disagree with you. I don't believe they are necessarily intended to be frontline warriors.

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That's fine. The point is that he isn't hiding his draconic nature.

Well the fact that we know Wrathion doesn't hide the fact that he's a dragon from those he trusts doesn't really have much bearing on the point of this thread, now does it? Chromie doesn't hide the fact that she's a Bronze dragon, yet her visage is that of a regular gnome. Same with Kalecgos and numerous others!

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More than a few assumptions there i'm afraid.
For one: Why would they need to infiltrate? Soldiers are not necessarily specialists for infiltrating.

And given that the dragons themselves can transform already, why would they need their creations to do that for them?

It seems to me they are more meant for lighter work, as mages and strike forces of sorts; dragons are better at pretty much anything else.

Alternatively they are simply meant as meat; numbers to reinforce an army, just capable enough to be useful. If that is the case then their illusions might simply be an afterthought along the lines of "good enough", rather than needing to be perfect.

Soldiers perform clandestine operations quite often, it's part of warfare. The slender build of the Drac'thyr and magical-oriented Evoker class tells a different story than frontline infantry. If they are meant to be a military force, it would stand to reason they have some sort of intelligence/logistics operation that includes subterfuge.

Dragons can do everything Drac'thyr can do but better, yes. Why would that mean they limit the roles of their subordinates? Look at General Drakkisath and Overlord Wyrm'thalak who ran an army for Nefarian, those are two dragonspawn who understood military strategy.

[ceall]

The way I see it is the following:
The dracthyr are neltharions experiments. They are not meant to be "human". They're artificial dragons that are supposed to inherit the abilities of all 5 major flights.
These guys most likely have never seen a human (or any other race) before, they simply DO NOT KNOW how they're supposed to look like when "disguising". Or maybe they just can't because of their limitations in their artificial nature.

On the other hand, we have seen like 4 "visage" looks in the reveal. Maybe they're able to not show scales or any other dragon-like traits like horns or tails. We simply do not know.

[Jester Joe]

I love reading comments like this, they are so hilarious. Like where did you even come up with this stuff with the very little information we have lol.

I mean, Blizzard outright stated that?

Dracythr don't have progression to their personal form of flying in their dragonoid form, but they will be able to jump off and dive.

https://www.mmo-champion.com/content...ght-Interviews

Dracthyr and Flying
Dracthyr will be able to perform the basics of dragon riding in their dragon form from the start. The unlocked abilities earned over time will also have to use their dragon companion, but while in their visage form.
Dracthyr can glide and get a little bit of lift in a manner like Demon Hunters, but cannot fly outside of the Dragon Isles in their form.

https://www.mmo-champion.com/content...on-Hazzikostas

[Firefall]

Have you forgotten who made them?



BEHOLD MY IMPECCABLE MORTAL DISGUISE! NO ONE SHALL KNOW IT IS I, DEATHWING!

You have a very solid point and have just won the thread.

[Teriz]

Yeah, this thread makes zero sense.

People seem to really dig the idea of visage forms, so if Blizzard can nail this and match people's expectations;





Then they'll have a winner on their hands.

[Nerovar]

Have you forgotten who made them?



BEHOLD MY IMPECCABLE MORTAL DISGUISE! NO ONE SHALL KNOW IT IS I, DEATHWING!

You know his actual disguise as Lord Daval Prestor didn't look like that? This is what his disguise actually looks like.

[Pakheth]

Yeah, this thread makes zero sense.

People seem to really dig the idea of visage forms, so if Blizzard can nail this and match people's expectations;





Then they'll have a winner on their hands.

Exactly. Or else it will just end up like a the human form for Worgen; completely unused apart from on some RP servers.
The visage form is a cool way to show off their draconic side, though I wouldn't mind if more races were added to the roster.

[confety]

Im pretty sure the whole point is "why cant i make a normal visage without scales/horns"

which the answer is: we dont know yet if you will be able to create a visage form identical to a normal human/elf

[Dractier]

I mean, Blizzard outright stated that?


https://www.mmo-champion.com/content...ght-Interviews


https://www.mmo-champion.com/content...on-Hazzikostas

If you read through this, it’s fairly clear that they will be flying in the dragon isles with a basic form of dragon flying, but they will be gliding everywhere else.

Idk how else you’re interpreting this tbh

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Given the Evoker is a spellcaster-oriented class and the Drac'thyr are rather lithe when compared to the Drakonids (the literal shock-troopers of the Dragonflights), I would disagree with you. I don't believe they are necessarily intended to be frontline warriors.

Wait a minute, they literally are though lol

[bloodmoth13]

Yeah i dont think it makes sense either.
So dracthyr are just dragons that pretend to be mortals in the least convincing way possible. They should have saved dev time and just allowed you to pick any mortal race as visage and spent the resources on troll beards because every important troll has a beard and they look far cooler with beards

[Teriz]

Yeah i dont think it makes sense either.
So dracthyr are just dragons that pretend to be mortals in the least convincing way possible. They should have saved dev time and just allowed you to pick any mortal race as visage and spent the resources on troll beards because every important troll has a beard and they look far cooler with beards

It honestly makes sense from a lore perspective. Visage forms aren't only about "blending in" with the mortal races. According to lore, dragons thoroughly enjoy being in mortal form for a variety of reasons. Some of those reasons are sheer pleasure, since they enjoy the softness of mortal skin. So it stands to reason that a dragon would be walking around with horns and scales fully exposed in mortal form if they're not specifically trying to hide that they are dragons. Not every dragon is trying to hide or infiltrate mortal society (though some definitely are).

That said, I fully expect "normal" visage options as well.

[Sagenod]

Yeah, this thread makes zero sense.

It certainly makes zero sense to you!

[Teriz]

It certainly makes zero sense to you!

See above. If you understand visage lore, you'd know that hiding and infiltration is not it's only usage.

[Sagenod]

"They shapeshift for a variety of reasons, the main one being that it is easier to communicate, work with, and live among mortals while wearing a mortal guise. When the Aspects first realized that dragons were destined to share Azeroth with the younger races, the timeways told them that they had to learn to live alongside them. As such, each of them took on a form to allow them to see the world as the young races do. The dragonflights keep disguised spies placed among each of the younger races, who (in the dragons' view) have a tendency to cause disasters when left to their own devices. Even when the mortals they interact with know their true nature, some dragons choose to use their humanoid form to appear less threatening as a show of courtesy. Other reasons include moving unnoticed through areas where a being as large as a dragon would be easily spotted, fitting in smaller spaces, or even for enjoyment: one of the great pleasures of humanoid forms is that soft skin is more sensitive to receiving a loving touch than scales." wowpedia dragon article

You may think this helps your point, but it doesn't. First of all: If they enjoy the touch of soft humanoid skin, why would they even have scales at the same time? They have scales in their true form. Why would a venerable race of beings like the dragons care a single hoot about their draconic identity in their shapeshifted forms? The answer: They wouldn't. Defeats the purpose of the shapeshift form to begin with. As I mentioned they do it for strategic purposes or to satisfy perceived social requirements. If you take a look at their models, even the Aspects could blend in. The only signifying feature are the horns on Alexstrasza and Ysera, and horns aren't even an exclusively draconic trait. (Demons for example)

The visage forms are cool from a gameplay standpoint (to you and many others) but we will have to wait and see how their customizations turn out. If like people say they have options to look like a regular mortal, that's fine. Or perhaps the reasoning is "they are like mortals and have a penchant for expressing their individuality with the limited time they have to exist" which would be perfectly fine to me. Still needs more options than modified Blood Elf and human models however. Unless they want to go with "Drac'thyr shapeshift magic isn't as powerful as dragon" which would be fine too I guess. That's a bit more of a cop out though.

[Jester Joe]

If you read through this, it’s fairly clear that they will be flying in the dragon isles with a basic form of dragon flying, but they will be gliding everywhere else.

Idk how else you’re interpreting this tbh

Might wanna double check that then, they said that they'll have to use their dragon companion for the upgrades.

All dragon form can do is the basics at the start, like run, glide and use momentum to go higher. Not truly flying. That's why I linked both parts of that, since the first one straight up says the updates won't apply to them.

[melzas]

I don't think blizz has put that much thought into it. They wanted to give us playable alextrasza/deathwing/malygos etc. but obviously toned down a bit, so this is the result. Visage form is just an eye candy, I don't think they are even going to pretend it's supposed to make a lot of sense, you just get to make a cool sexy guy/gal with scales and horns to AFK in dalaran 3.0 if you please to (or to "rp" in goldshire...).

Rule of cool has been stomping lore in this game literally since vanilla.

[Dractier]

Might wanna double check that then, they said that they'll have to use their dragon companion for the upgrades.

All visage form can do is the basics at the start, like run, glide and use momentum to go higher. Not truly flying. That's why I linked both parts of that, since the first one straight up says the updates won't apply to them.

Just having basic dragon flight =/= not flying.

Just because they won't have the ariel spins or whatever their plans are doesn't mean...they aren't flying lol. Like come on now

[Jester Joe]

Just having basic dragon flight =/= not flying.

Just because they won't have the ariel spins or whatever their plans are doesn't mean...they aren't flying lol. Like come on now

That's exactly what Blizzard said though.

The basics of what we can do is glide and use momentum.

Anything past that requires the dragon companion. Hence why if you play as the new race, all you can do is glide while outside of the Dragon Isles. This is what was straight up said, so it's weird to try to call someone else out on having little info and then try to claim the opposite of what Blizzard is saying.

[Pakheth]

You might also consider that since these are creations of Deathwing they might not have the same abilities like full dragons do, and perhaps that makes it harder for them to transform fully into one of the lower/mortal races and instead get these hybrid forms ala the Aspects. Or maybe it's even because they are more powerful than most dragons, putting them on the same height as the Aspects, which we all know likes to make hybrid forms ala Ysera and Alextraza..