Are people really okay with the "new" race restrictions?

[kenn9530]

Idk where you're getting this notions that evokerd are some super Uber mega god class.

They're deathwing s first attempt at chromatic dragons not gods...

Dragon magic is the strongest magic and if it were more realistic none of the current classes would actually be anywhere close to thier power, jaina could wipe out whole cities herself and dragons are a power beyond what even she holds.

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So, we don't complain, neither if we pay or don't pay, we don't provide feedback, at all, we just wait until no one plays the game anymore

got it. Business at it finest.


Thanks to show us how the design behind this is flawed and need to change


Once again the slippery slope fallacy

yet, you ginore how housing would be a good thing and they already said are considering, and how they did other thigns exactly because they listened to feedback

Nothing you have suggested could be considered a good thing, player housing is no worth putting into the game because it would then sacrifice content because blizzard cant give you extra features and content at the same time.

You cant prove feedback has resulted in anything blizz have put into the game at all, they only listen to the top guilds during world first races and then the rest of the time you will be ignored, players/customers give bad advise plain and simple so its pointless.

There is nothing flawed in having a race/class be limited to that one class/race, it actually makes the game better and follow actual lore, everything you have suggested is a terrible idea.

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Yes we do. Blizzard stated that Neltharion made them to be an army.

And we still dont know if he made more than one or not, doesnt matter the intention what matters is the result.

[Syegfryed]

Nothing you have suggested could be considered a good thing

In your subjective opinion.

player housing is no worth putting into the game because it would then sacrifice content because blizzard cant give you extra features and content at the same time.

You don't know if something is worthy or not, they already said they are thinking about it, so even if didn't work, it already show they are giving attention to feedback.

You cant prove feedback has resulted in anything blizz have put into the game at all, they only listen to the top guilds during world first races and then the rest of the time you will be ignored, players/customers give bad advise plain and simple so its pointless.

Lmao, yes, we can proof a lot feedback result in blizzard changing something, especially about models and other minor additions, like loosing transmog options and customizations for character or even fixing models.

Yes, they ignore a lot, doesn't mean they don't listen/do anything.

There is nothing flawed in having a race/class be limited to that one class/race, it actually makes the game better and follow actual lore, everything you have suggested is a terrible idea.

How limiting the race/class to one only pick "actually makes the game better"? try to prove that.

And again, tis rly cute to say something "follows the lore' when the lore is build to be limited and restricted without reason or necessity, but sure, whatever you say.

And we still dont know if he made more than one or not, doesnt matter the intention what matters is the result.

Yes...we already do that.

[kenn9530]

In your subjective opinion.


You don't know if something is worthy or not, they already said they are thinking about it, so even if didn't work, it already show they are giving attention to feedback.


Lmao, yes, we can proof a lot feedback result in blizzard changing something, especially about models and other minor additions, like loosing transmog options and customizations for character or even fixing models.

Yes, they ignore a lot, doesn't mean they don't listen/do anything.


How limiting the race/class to one only pick "actually makes the game better"? try to prove that.

And again, tis rly cute to say something "follows the lore' when the lore is build to be limited and restricted without reason or necessity, but sure, whatever you say.



Yes...we already do that.

Its not a subjective opinion because it would of already been implemented if it was thought to be a good idea.

If player housing was worthy it would be ingame.

You do know that whatever you say here doesnt get looked at by blizzard, they have much better things to do, so yes your feedback does get ignored by anyone relevant. MMO champ is not the place for changing any game so you are just wasting your time if you think it does.

It makes it better because it has more meaning, not all races should be all classes since it just makes the game worse by making no sense at all in lore, you are picking and choosing what you want to be relevant just because you feel entitled to having a dragonoid race as any class when it doesnt make sense and never will.

You know nothing about the current story so dont claim you do until you have actually played it.

[Varx]

Dragon magic is the strongest magic and if it were more realistic none of the current classes would actually be anywhere close to thier power, jaina could wipe out whole cities herself and dragons are a power beyond what even she holds.

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Nothing you have suggested could be considered a good thing, player housing is no worth putting into the game because it would then sacrifice content because blizzard cant give you extra features and content at the same time.

You cant prove feedback has resulted in anything blizz have put into the game at all, they only listen to the top guilds during world first races and then the rest of the time you will be ignored, players/customers give bad advise plain and simple so its pointless.

There is nothing flawed in having a race/class be limited to that one class/race, it actually makes the game better and follow actual lore, everything you have suggested is a terrible idea.

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And we still dont know if he made more than one or not, doesnt matter the intention what matters is the result.

You wanna cite that?

No where does it imply dragons are freaking gods.

If that were the case they wouldn't be calling upon the help of mortals to bail them out of their shit.

And obviously he made more than one, nothing has implied the contrary.

You're not gonna be playing some thuper thpecial chosen one, calm down.

[LostSinclair]

I'm not thrilled with the super tight restrictions for the new race class but I can at least understand the concept that only Dracthry can be evokers since the entire class revolves around aspect power and requires wings to use some of them(if we ever get arrakoa or some other type of winged race in the future they might be able to so something like they did with Zandalari druids) Really not happy that Dracthry can ONLY be evokers but since they've added the race has been in the weird hibernation type deal for the last 10 thousand years and they were made specifically to be evokers by Neltharion the lore is at least some what acceptable even if it's a stupid game play decision I'd be angrier but it sounds like they plan to loosen the one class restriction at a later date. Wonder how long that'll be though.

[Dundebuns]

Yeah. In fact I am trying to figure out what will counter Evokers. Maybe Demon Hunters, as I can see CC and mobility being paramount to counter them.

[kenn9530]

You wanna cite that?

No where does it imply dragons are freaking gods.

If that were the case they wouldn't be calling upon the help of mortals to bail them out of their shit.

And obviously he made more than one, nothing has implied the contrary.

You're not gonna be playing some thuper thpecial chosen one, calm down.

What are you on about gods, dragons are one of the most powerful beings in WoW, using all the powers of the five flights is miles more powerful than all the player classes combined. The dragons powers have been used in multiple raid encounters so the player actually has a chance to win.

Blizzard are known for bad storylines, weakening the dragons a little is just another way to make the player feel important. It doesnt change the fact that evoker is superior to every other class in the game considering the use of all the dragonflights powers, its the strongest race/class the player has access to.

Its not obvious he made more than one, it is not stated anywhere how many there are so wait until the expansion before claiming otherwise.

[Varx]

What are you on about gods, dragons are one of the most powerful beings in WoW, using all the powers of the five flights is miles more powerful than all the player classes combined. The dragons powers have been used in multiple raid encounters so the player actually has a chance to win.

Blizzard are known for bad storylines, weakening the dragons a little is just another way to make the player feel important. It doesnt change the fact that evoker is superior to every other class in the game considering the use of all the dragonflights powers, its the strongest race/class the player has access to.

Its not obvious he made more than one, it is not stated anywhere how many there are so wait until the expansion before claiming otherwise.

Yes it is.... He made the race as to match the strengths of dragons and .mortals as an army to help protect the world ...

Not once has blizz ever created a race that had a population of one, that'd be fucking stupid. Wouldn't even be called a "race" by definition.

And you're confusing the aspects pre deathwing defeat with these proto chromatic dragons.

The aspects were extremely powerful on their own. But individuals of their flight werent God level.

We as mortals have defeated many dragons in single combat ffs.

These dracthyr aren't aspect power level they just have access to the combined abilities of the flight's domains simultaneously.

That doesn't make them any more powerful than a skilled mage, warlock, priest, druid, all of which are cosmic classes.

Evokers are just another cosmic class (order).

Like, no one argued mages are uber gods since they have access to fire frost and arcane. It's the same concept.

[kenn9530]

Yes it is.... He made the race as to match the strengths of dragons and .mortals as an army to help protect the world ...

Not once has blizz ever created a race that had a population of one, that'd be fucking stupid. Wouldn't even be called a "race" by definition.

And you're confusing the aspects pre deathwing defeat with these proto chromatic dragons.

The aspects were extremely powerful on their own. But individuals of their flight werent God level.

We as mortals have defeated many dragons in single combat ffs.

These dracthyr aren't aspect power level they just have access to the combined abilities of the flight's domains simultaneously.

That doesn't make them any more powerful than a skilled mage, warlock, priest, druid, all of which are cosmic classes.

Evokers are just another cosmic class (order).

Like, no one argued mages are uber gods since they have access to fire frost and arcane. It's the same concept.

You are the only one mentioning anything to do with gods but the dragons like alexstasa are essentially a god and vastly more powerful than all the player classes combined, a new race using all the powers of all the dragons is far superior in power to anything the players will have access to, its not even close.

The new race uses powers from all 5 dragonflights thats the whole point of the new class and are designed to take on enemies even thier creators might have a problem with so they are designed to be more powerful than a dragon on thier own, a player has always had help to defeat anything so dont talk BS about defeating dragons when you cant solo a real one, killing one 3 expansions later solo does not count, plus its also a game where you have to be able to kill things.

The player has been getting plot buffs for many expansions, its just too much artificial power.

The facts are the new race/class is the most powerful available to the players, dragon magic is just far superior and more versatile.

[Varx]

You are the only one mentioning anything to do with gods but the dragons like alexstasa are essentially a god and vastly more powerful than all the player classes combined, a new race using all the powers of all the dragons is far superior in power to anything the players will have access to, its not even close.

The new race uses powers from all 5 dragonflights thats the whole point of the new class and are designed to take on enemies even thier creators might have a problem with so they are designed to be more powerful than a dragon on thier own, a player has always had help to defeat anything so dont talk BS about defeating dragons when you cant solo a real one, killing one 3 expansions later solo does not count, plus its also a game where you have to be able to kill things.

The player has been getting plot buffs for many expansions, its just too much artificial power.

The facts are the new race/class is the most powerful available to the players, dragon magic is just far superior and more versatile.

Dude dks had a quest to slaughter red dragons on their own... Wtf are you talking about. Not all dragons is super powerful. There have been many instances, mostly through quests were you'll take down a dragon on your own.

The dracthyr are also not aspect power level, they merely have the abilities of all 5 flights. That's it.

Idk where you getting this notion that dragon magic is super strong and versatile blah blah blah.

You're looking at the aspects and blanket covering their strength to all dragonkin.

Dude I like dragons too but you're making them out to be like perfect super powerful unmatchable beings, that is just not true.

[jackofwind]

The facts are the new race/class is the most powerful available to the players, dragon magic is just far superior and more versatile.

You have no idea how powerful they are according to lore - they're imperfect creations with flaws.

[kenn9530]

Dude dks had a quest to slaughter red dragons on their own... Wtf are you talking about. Not all dragons is super powerful. There have been many instances, mostly through quests were you'll take down a dragon on your own.

The dracthyr are also not aspect power level, they merely have the abilities of all 5 flights. That's it.

Idk where you getting this notion that dragon magic is super strong and versatile blah blah blah.

You're looking at the aspects and blanket covering their strength to all dragonkin.

Dude I like dragons too but you're making them out to be like perfect super powerful unmatchable beings, that is just not true.

No the player has not killed one single actual dragon on thier own without help, you also know this is a game right they have to allow the player to be able to kill things right or your just going to complain.

You claim they are not aspect level when they were made to wield all 5 aspects powers at the same time, you have no idea what you are talking about and completely ignoring the whole reason for the expansion and the race to begin with.

Dragon magic is super strong and if you hold 5 different aspects of powers you are the most versatile magic caster in the game. If it was real also they would be unmatched in every way but since its a game you wont get to see what the race would actually be capable of.

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You have no idea how powerful they are according to lore - they're imperfect creations with flaws.

They are designed to be more powerful than other dragons so yes they are powerful, its also the new hero class so they will be FOTM class the whole expansion most likely so the best class to play.

[Katchii]

No the player has not killed one single actual dragon on thier own without help, you also know this is a game right they have to allow the player to be able to kill things right or your just going to complain.

Yes, they have. Check the Legion Class Hall mount quest chain for DK's which literally sends you to the Red Dragonflight base to kill and raise a dragon for your personal mount. GTFO if you're not even going to check the sources for the shit you're saying.

You claim they are not aspect level when they were made to wield all 5 aspects powers at the same time, you have no idea what you are talking about and completely ignoring the whole reason for the expansion and the race to begin with.

Not aspect power, the powers of the flight, NOT the powers of the aspects.

Dragon magic is super strong and if you hold 5 different aspects of powers you are the most versatile magic caster in the game. If it was real also they would be unmatched in every way but since its a game you wont get to see what the race would actually be capable of.

You are again conflating the abilities of the dragonflight with the power of the aspects. The Drac'thyr wield the abilities of each of the 5 flights, they do not wield the power of 5 aspects.

They are designed to be more powerful than other dragons so yes they are powerful, its also the new hero class so they will be FOTM class the whole expansion most likely so the best class to play.

Source for the bolded.

[Varx]

No the player has not killed one single actual dragon on thier own without help, you also know this is a game right they have to allow the player to be able to kill things right or your just going to complain.

You claim they are not aspect level when they were made to wield all 5 aspects powers at the same time, you have no idea what you are talking about and completely ignoring the whole reason for the expansion and the race to begin with.

Dragon magic is super strong and if you hold 5 different aspects of powers you are the most versatile magic caster in the game. If it was real also they would be unmatched in every way but since its a game you wont get to see what the race would actually be capable of.

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They are designed to be more powerful than other dragons so yes they are powerful, its also the new hero class so they will be FOTM class the whole expansion most likely so the best class to play.

I mean go play the dk legion campaign if you don't believe me..... Not every individual dragon is aspect level and many of them can be killed, in the lore, by highly skilled figures.

LOL fucking Garrosh cleaved a fully grown twilight dragon during the twilight highlands intro in cata by himself.

Like you completely wrong my dude, check your head cannon.

Also versatility does not equal sheer power. They are NOT on aspect power level. They're formidable yes but not from raw strength but Instead because of their access to a large pool of draconic abilities.

And btw draconic magic is just titan magic, from the order plane, which is arcane. So if anything they'd be on the same power level as a mage...

[Syegfryed]

Its not a subjective opinion because it would of already been implemented if it was thought to be a good idea.

thats... not how it works

You do know that whatever you say here doesnt get looked at by blizzard, they have much better things to do, so yes your feedback does get ignored by anyone relevant. MMO champ is not the place for changing any game so you are just wasting your time if you think it does.

then why are you so hellbent against and antagonzie everything? do ou need to prove it to yourself that feedback doesn't matter?

Are you sure there is only people here giving feedback? lol.

It makes it better because it has more meaning

What meaning?

not all races should be all classes since it just makes the game worse by making no sense at all in lore

So, your answer for the question "this actually makes the game better" is saying "not all races should be all classes, it makes the game worse"

You can't even support your own claim, you can't even make it something that makes sense out of it.

You know nothing about the current story so dont claim you do until you have actually played it.

We already know a lot of bits of the expansion because there is interviews about then going around, are you not following the news? k

[kenn9530]

I mean go play the dk legion campaign if you don't believe me..... Not every individual dragon is aspect level and many of them can be killed, in the lore, by highly skilled figures.

LOL fucking Garrosh cleaved a fully grown twilight dragon during the twilight highlands intro in cata by himself.

Like you completely wrong my dude, check your head cannon.

Also versatility does not equal sheer power. They are NOT on aspect power level. They're formidable yes but not from raw strength but Instead because of their access to a large pool of draconic abilities.

And btw draconic magic is just titan magic, from the order plane, which is arcane. So if anything they'd be on the same power level as a mage...

The lesser dragonflights are not true dragons so anything not using one of the 5 dragonflights powers are not considered to be a real dragon, so its a fact that non of the classes are powerful enough to solo a true dragon and need a ton of help defeating them. So its you who is wrong.

The dracthyr are true dragons wielding the aspects magic, that is much more powerful than a mage using arcane magic compared to a dragonoid using arcane magic, the cosmic powers are not all equal in power, and certain races are much more adept and powerful than others especially when it comes to magic, dragons are at the top of magic users in WoW.

You will try and say anything to justify your flawed point of view, its simple a dragon race should be nothing other than a dragon class and no other race should ever be allow to be an evoker.

[Varx]

The lesser dragonflights are not true dragons so anything not using one of the 5 dragonflights powers are not considered to be a real dragon, so its a fact that non of the classes are powerful enough to solo a true dragon and need a ton of help defeating them. So its you who is wrong.

The dracthyr are true dragons wielding the aspects magic, that is much more powerful than a mage using arcane magic compared to a dragonoid using arcane magic, the cosmic powers are not all equal in power, and certain races are much more adept and powerful than others especially when it comes to magic, dragons are at the top of magic users in WoW.

You will try and say anything to justify your flawed point of view, its simple a dragon race should be nothing other than a dragon class and no other race should ever be allow to be an evoker.

I mean you can cope all you want with your zero cited head cannons my dude....

But blizz already said they're open to have dracthyr become other classes after building relationships with the horde and alliance as honorary members sometime down the line...


Btw the twilights are made from corrupted "ReAL" dragons, mostly red ones.

And you keep ignoring the fact that a single dk massacres multiple red dragons on their own as part of the dk order hall campaign.

But again you're not gonna back down with you crazy head cannon.

The "lesser" flights your thinking of are the storm drake if legion, elemental drake's, fae dragons, etc

Dracthyr aren't true dragons lmao. They're a mix of mortals and dragons as per neltharion s facination on the tenacity of mortals before his corruption.

And lastly.... They are not wielding the aspects power

They are wielding the powers of each flight.

All bronze dragons have power over time. But nozdormu was the aspect meaning his strength was top for all bronze dragons.

Dracthyr evokers are just mixing the magic type, they weren't directly empowered by the titans.

You have seriously no idea wtf you're saying so judging by your conviction you're either very young and inexperienced with the lore or are straight up trolling

[Logwyn]

That would actually be cool. A truely neutral race welcome in both faction cities.

Should have been that way with Pandas too.. but we can dream can't we?!

[kenn9530]

I mean you can cope all you want with your zero cited head cannons my dude....

But blizz already said they're open to have dracthyr become other classes after building relationships with the horde and alliance as honorary members sometime down the line...


Btw the twilights are made from corrupted "ReAL" dragons, mostly red ones.

And you keep ignoring the fact that a single dk massacres multiple red dragons on their own as part of the dk order hall campaign.

But again you're not gonna back down with you crazy head cannon.

The "lesser" flights your thinking of are the storm drake if legion, elemental drake's, fae dragons, etc

Dracthyr aren't true dragons lmao. They're a mix of mortals and dragons as per neltharion s facination on the tenacity of mortals before his corruption.

And lastly.... They are not wielding the aspects power

They are wielding the powers of each flight.

All bronze dragons have power over time. But nozdormu was the aspect meaning his strength was top for all bronze dragons.

Dracthyr evokers are just mixing the magic type, they weren't directly empowered by the titans.

You have seriously no idea wtf you're saying so judging by your conviction you're either very young and inexperienced with the lore or are straight up trolling

This article is about the dracthyr lore. For the playable race, see Dracthyr (playable).

Dracthyr
Dragonflight site - Dracthyr.png
Character classes Evoker
Homeworld Azeroth
Area(s) Forbidden Reach, Dragon Isles

The dracthyr are an ancient race of humanoid dragonkin. They have the ability to wield the magic of all five primary dragonflights as evokers, and, like true dragons, shapeshift between a draconic form and a humanoid visage.[1] The dracthyr were created in the ancient past by the black Dragon Aspect Neltharion, who combined the essence of dragons with the adaptability of the mortal races to create a race of ideal soldiers.[2] Neltharion crafted the Forbidden Reach off the coast of the Dragon Isles to serve as the dracthyr soldiers' training ground, but after a terrible battle, the island laid dormant and abandoned for ages. Recently, however, the return of an ancient enemy caused the dracthyr to stir, and they now seek to forge their own path in Azeroth by joining both the Alliance and the Horde.[3]

Thats the current dracthyr lore so what have you got.

Dracthyr have the power of all 5 dragonflights and that is considerably more powerful that a mage or any other spell caster, you do know the dragon aspects are not really the dragon aspects anymore right, they dont posses the titans buff anymore it was used up in dragon soul so yes the dracthyr can use the same abilities and powers the current dragon aspects have.

You should do some basic research before you claim anything to do with lore as an insult when you dont have a clue yourself.

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No company really cares about feedback, they only care about losing money or getting bad press, they dont change the game on the whims of a few random ppl complaining about something that doesnt even matter.

When lore is trampled on everything about the game starts to lose all meaning, why are you against having unique things in a game that currently offers far too many choices that make very little sense.

All we know is there was a massive war just before the dracthyr the player will play was put into hibernation, whos to say many even survived, its likely there is a small number only but you cant currently prove it can you.

[Varx]

This article is about the dracthyr lore. For the playable race, see Dracthyr (playable).

Dracthyr
Dragonflight site - Dracthyr.png
Character classes Evoker
Homeworld Azeroth
Area(s) Forbidden Reach, Dragon Isles

The dracthyr are an ancient race of humanoid dragonkin. They have the ability to wield the magic of all five primary dragonflights as evokers, and, like true dragons, shapeshift between a draconic form and a humanoid visage.[1] The dracthyr were created in the ancient past by the black Dragon Aspect Neltharion, who combined the essence of dragons with the adaptability of the mortal races to create a race of ideal soldiers.[2] Neltharion crafted the Forbidden Reach off the coast of the Dragon Isles to serve as the dracthyr soldiers' training ground, but after a terrible battle, the island laid dormant and abandoned for ages. Recently, however, the return of an ancient enemy caused the dracthyr to stir, and they now seek to forge their own path in Azeroth by joining both the Alliance and the Horde.[3]

Thats the current dracthyr lore so what have you got.

Dracthyr have the power of all 5 dragonflights and that is considerably more powerful that a mage or any other spell caster, you do know the dragon aspects are not really the dragon aspects anymore right, they dont posses the titans buff anymore it was used up in dragon soul so yes the dracthyr can use the same abilities and powers the current dragon aspects have.

You should do some basic research before you claim anything to do with lore as an insult when you dont have a clue yourself.

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No company really cares about feedback, they only care about losing money or getting bad press, they dont change the game on the whims of a few random ppl complaining about something that doesnt even matter.

When lore is trampled on everything about the game starts to lose all meaning, why are you against having unique things in a game that currently offers far too many choices that make very little sense.

All we know is there was a massive war just before the dracthyr the player will play was put into hibernation, whos to say many even survived, its likely there is a small number only but you cant currently prove it can you.

You just debunked your self on claiming we don't know if there's many of them or not.

Yes I'm aware, the aspects aren't buffed anymore I actually told you that posts ago.

Your the one who said they're using the power of the aspects as if aspects still have some kind of super titan powers.

I'm telling you that all they have is the combined abilities of all 5 flights, which doesn't translate into large insane amount of raw strength, they're just extremely versatile.

What part of that don't u get??

Draconic magic isn't the most powerful magic in azeroth, idk where you get this notion from. It's on par with other forms of magic.