Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Mihalik]

https://www.reuters.com/world/russia...ne-2022-04-28/

Damn it, I left Poland too early, could have been present to witness this!

[Kallisto]

I sometimes wonder if it's actually lies to them, or they honestly believe the pure delirium they spew. It wouldn't surprise me either way, really.

It is likely "Say this or there's a good window view I want you to see."

[Afrospinach]

…like, is Russia seriously trying to get other countries to believe this?

As I said previously, they could cease trying to justify this nonsense, save us all the eye-rolling, and say they just want a chunk of Ukraine.

Someone, somewhere will believe this and a few of them may be Ukrainians.

I saw an outline from someone in some vid a while ago about what Russia wants:

The canal to Crimea unblocked(I think everyone is aware of this)

Land bridge to Crimea(this too)

To control the gas field to the west of Slovansk. Now this I had not heard of before, it is old news but in 2010 it was discovered and it has been suggested that Russia wants to control it so it does not threaten their own economy.

This last bit suddenly makes the war have a lot more sense and I have not seen it mentioned nearly as often as the former points.

[PhaelixWW]

I saw an outline from someone in some vid a while ago about what Russia wants:

The canal to Crimea unblocked(I think everyone is aware of this)

Land bridge to Crimea(this too)

To control the gas field to the west of Slovansk. Now this I had not heard of before, it is old news but in 2010 it was discovered and it has been suggested that Russia wants to control it so it does not threaten their own economy.

This last bit suddenly makes the war have a lot more sense and I have not seen it mentioned nearly as often as the former points.

It was touched on, but not in depth:

That entirely depends on what his goal was in the first place. If he was desperate to keep Ukraine (and its newly-found oil deposits) from joining NATO (and therefore being placed out of Russia's reach), then he won't consider that a victory at all.

This was posted earlier ITT, but it's a good discussion on Putin's potential motivations in Ukraine.

That is probably the video to which you were referring.

[Kaleredar]

Someone, somewhere will believe this and a few of them may be Ukrainians.

I saw an outline from someone in some vid a while ago about what Russia wants:

The canal to Crimea unblocked(I think everyone is aware of this)

Land bridge to Crimea(this too)

To control the gas field to the west of Slovansk. Now this I had not heard of before, it is old news but in 2010 it was discovered and it has been suggested that Russia wants to control it so it does not threaten their own economy.

This last bit suddenly makes the war have a lot more sense and I have not seen it mentioned nearly as often as the former points.

If Russia’s goal was to establish a tighter fuel hegemony to prevent alternate sources from threatening their economy I’d say that plan blew up spectacularly.

[Rasulis]

If Russia’s goal was to establish a tighter fuel hegemony to prevent alternate sources from threatening their economy I’d say that plan blew up spectacularly.

On that note, diesel export from the Middle East to Europe in April are expected to more than double to 379,000 barrels a day (bpd), offsetting an expected loss of 166,000 bpd of Russian diesel supply. Diesel export out of Primorsk, Russia’s key fuel shipments port on the Baltic Sea, is anticipated to slump by as much as 30 percent in May.

That being said, Russia is still earning $66B from their energy since February 24. Germany alone accounts for $9.1B.

[PhaelixWW]

Remember when Russia tried to get everyone to believe that oil prices would reach $300 a barrel?

[Breccia]

In the russian mentality everything you have, including your life, ultimate belongs to the Tsar.

I refuse to believe that. And maybe that means the problem is me.

[Arrashi]

I refuse to believe that. And maybe that means the problem is me.

Western people will never understand russians which is why i think west is having such a problem dealing with current situation.

You kinda need to understand that "good russians" as some people like to call them are statistic error minority. Vast majority of them simply lack any form of empathy for anyone, often times even for themselves. They are being trained from small child to not think for themselves and blindly accept everything they are told.

This is why, even if they KNOW something will have bad consequences or is objectively wrong they will simply approach it with dead-eyed fatalism.

[Poopymonster]

I refuse to believe that. And maybe that means the problem is me.

It's really easy to believe. Everything I have, am, and will be belongs to the Tsar. Now, swap Tsar with deity. Whole civilizations are built on the concept. Their "owner" just happens to be a person you can see. Like Jonestown or Waco. Or Trump.

[PhaelixWW]

Western people will never understand russians which is why i think west is having such a problem dealing with current situation.

You kinda need to understand that "good russians" as some people like to call them are statistic error minority. Vast majority of them simply lack any form of empathy for anyone, often times even for themselves. They are being trained from small child to not think for themselves and blindly accept everything they are told.

This is why, even if they KNOW something will have bad consequences or is objectively wrong they will simply approach it with dead-eyed fatalism.

Nihilism is very Russian, da.

[Corvus]

Russia fired missiles at Kyiv while the UN chief was visiting. One landed near the hotel he was staying at.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-...ost_type=share

[zorkuus]

Russia fired missiles at Kyiv while the UN chief was visiting. One landed near the hotel he was staying at.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-...ost_type=share

Sounds like the perfect time to kick the ruskies out of the UN. Any other bad faith actor states start yapping their mouths about it... kick them out too. We should just stop "playing by the rules" with these people.

[jonnysensible]

gerasimov is allegedly in kharkiv, cmon accurate artillery or drone strike

[Ripster42]

Sounds like the perfect time to kick the ruskies out of the UN. Any other bad faith actor states start yapping their mouths about it... kick them out too. We should just stop "playing by the rules" with these people.

Aside from things like disaster relief and food aid, talking shit about countries that are in the UN is about all the UN is good for. Kicking them out altogether serves no purpose.

[zorkuus]

Aside from things like disaster relief and food aid, talking shit about countries that are in the UN is about all the UN is good for. Kicking them out altogether serves no purpose.

What purpose does it serve to keep them in? All they do is abuse the rules and then probably laugh behind our backs that we allow it.
Bad faith actors sit in bodies like this just so they can block investigations into their human right abuses and so on.
It's time we stop playing nice with them.

[Ripster42]

What purpose does it serve to keep them in?

Like I said, it lets you talk shit to their face in front of everyone. That's all the UN is good for.

[Kallisto]

What purpose does it serve to keep them in? All they do is abuse the rules and then probably laugh behind our backs that we allow it.
Bad faith actors sit in bodies like this just so they can block investigations into their human right abuses and so on.
It's time we stop playing nice with them.

Because the main reason any of the big 5 keep the UN is international prestige and the means to use it to influence the rest of the world. It's never been about the XYZs that they claim it is. It's why countries that are just as bad, if not worse than Russia are able to get into places like the human rights council and others at the behest of the UK and the USA. That way these countries might be run by child-killing bastards, but they're western aligned child-killing bastards.

Without the UN there's no real show and dance and it makes behind the scenes dealing a little more difficult.

At no point is any foreign policy about who is morally right (Don't get me wrong here, in Ukraine, Russia is the morally reprehensible side with Ukraine the victim and the west taking the morally right side). It's all about power and the UN is just another part of the poker game everyone plays and cheats in. Which is why it stays and allows the worst of the worst in certain areas because USA and Russia both benefit from it.

[Afrospinach]

What purpose does it serve to keep them in? All they do is abuse the rules and then probably laugh behind our backs that we allow it.
Bad faith actors sit in bodies like this just so they can block investigations into their human right abuses and so on.
It's time we stop playing nice with them.

If they are out then they are properly out of control.

Think of it as another diplomatic channel.

[Iphie]

gerasimov is allegedly in kharkiv, cmon accurate artillery or drone strike

I'm not sure that's a hot idea since he holds one of the three main keys for big weapons, and his replacement would absolutely be a Putin toadie...more so than Gerasimov is. If it was Aleksandr Dvornikov I'd say crater him.

edit: kinda better the devils you know and don't trust than the devils you don't know and don't trust.