Please excuse for dragging this out again as I really don't appreciate the gaslighting but here is the quote that drove me up the wall:
A reply to a more reasonable PC2 post, no less.
Ukrainians are a sovereign nation who had already made their decision and in light of further events, thank god. Yes this is the "surrender" post because how else are we supposed to take it? along with the attempted shaming of supporting the Ukrainian defense. All class man. Probably better to just stay quiet.
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
"The difference between stupidity
and genius is that genius has its limits."
--Alexandre Dumas-fils
Then they quite probably would be ashamed of your ignorance in this matter, as you have little excuse.
Literally none of it agrees with you, for the reasons I've stated. You're apparently shitting yourself.
...oh, that came out wrong.
...double phrasing!
"The difference between stupidity
and genius is that genius has its limits."
--Alexandre Dumas-fils
In that it specifies "Donbas", yes.
In this case, to use the Merriam-Webster since you cited it first, Ukraine is yielding (Donbas) to the possession or power, control, or possession of another upon compulsion or demand. As Ukraine is Donbas in this hypothetical, this is also giving oneself (a part of Ukraine itself) up into the power of another (Russia).
Both are accurate, and fundamentally mean the same thing in this context. "Surrender" is not two entirely separate verbs that do not share a connection. It is a verb that can be used both transitively and intransitively, without a significant shift in meaning, just in scope.
To use M-W's own example in the both senses; a military company surrendering the fort to the besiegers is surrendering, and that's a surrender (oh look, it's the noun version).
Yes, this is basic English. And you're getting it completely wrong. Your own sources contradict you on this.
I'm not continuing this any further at this point, since I (and ironically, you yourself) have made my case. It's derailing, and all so you can try and play defense for some posters who had bad takes like a month ago. Fuckin' weird and it's not worth continuing.
Last edited by Endus; 2022-05-03 at 01:52 AM.
This is another very crucial one given the massive amounts of rockets they have been firing. A single volley from a grad requires an entire truckload to replace.
And given that very early on they had gone 24/7 in producing the rockets having the factory that manufactures the propellant charges for the rockets go down is a major problem.
Considering this is helpful to no one, cease derailing the thread with off-topic condescension. Grammar policing isn't appropriate, especially to this extent.
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Pretty much, it was the big offensive the "distraction" at Kyiv was (suposedly) preparing for.
They're just drip feeding units into the teeth of entrenched Ukrainian defenses, taking horrific casualties while having gained as war criminal/Romanov LARP'er Igor Girikin phrased it, the distance from my flat to the closest store.
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Also, ftr, when Ukraine and Russia were still talking Ukraine putatively agreed to all of Russia's demands (in what form we don't know, I suspect the no NATO was agreed to with the assumption Ukraine would just get security guarantees anyway, for example) save the territory Russia wanted. It was the last thing the Ukrainians wanted to give up, despite a big chunk of Donetsk and Lubansk and all of Crimea being in de facto Russian hands.
In what I hope is an ongoing saga in me posting stuff being on fire in Russia here is part 2 for today.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarV...w_russia_fire/
Large Warehouse its on fire Moscow, Russia
That drove you to a wall? Dayum.
I'll repeat it again and I have no issue saying this. The only realistic, non-fantasy way this will come to an end is through agreement and in this agreement Ukraine will have to give up some stuff at least for the time being.
No amount of Twitter memes will change the reality that Ukraine can't really militarily take back Crimea or Donbas, so yes when agreement inevitably comes at the very very least Ukraine will be forced to put Crimea on hold in one way or another and pray Donbas returns to Ukraine as some of autonomy.
It's not a "pro-Russian" stance or "surrender" - it's simply the way things are as it stands. When Ukraine will actually start winning back what it lost in 2014 - I will revisit this, but until then - I don't see them doing it even with Russian army as it is. They are not wrong about it being orcish horde, disorganized but still a huge force.
Like, maybe there will be some sort of coup in Russia that will change things, but as long as it's not on the table - I don't see Russia just leaving parts of Donbas and Crimea that they hard capped for years already.