Atleast they are bringing something back from the classic wow version; loot drama
Fact: Trials are actually NOT entitled to the same opportunity for gear as anyone else. They have not contributed at all in the smooth organisation/flow of the raids. They come in an already created and set environment so that a successful raid may happen. That is what people tend to forget - the guild would raid without you. The guild doesn't need trials - trials need a raiding environment.
Fact: Trials most certainly do NOT contribute to the kill as much as everyone else. You will never ask a trial to do important boss mechanics - those are always handled by the core team that never misses a raid and has been raiding together for a period of time.
Fact: Without trials guilds can most CERTAINLY kill bosses. You just pug a few people here and there. Until trials prove their worth, by not failing on mechanics, listening to instructions and proving they are decent people to spend X amount of hours gaming with per week, they are literally glorified pugs. Remember, THEY are the ones that want a stable raiding environment. THEY are the ones that are fed up with PUGging, but too busy/chicken/socially inept to create their own guilds. Guilds already HAVE that. Because they worked for it.
There is no way in hell Johny Trial is getting a BIS weapon/trinket on his first every run to a raid, when core members who have never missed a raid, stomached the wipes, learnt the fights well are still waiting for theirs. That is not how meritocracy works. Besides that, as stated above, Trials are usually SHOWERED with gear in the beginning, cause noone really wants it.
They can get DE'd compared to getting a healing weapon or neck you can't trade because of an ilvl restriction and you can't be certain that everyone is an enchanter
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It happened less often than wasted loot via personal loot
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Also if it takes that long to assign loot there's an issue
do you really want 95% of the lfd browser being filled with X dungeon +15 need Y Z reserved" again?
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an option that i can guestimate that 95% of pug raid leaders will use and thus the return of ninja looting......oh joy
Probably said already, but the only two ways it should be allowed:
1. 100% guild runs.
2. If there are pugs in the group, every pug has to click "I accept" on a warning message that takes up at least 50% of their screen size. Any puggers that fail to do so will be automatically removed from the group.
Also - to help 'protect' trials in guild runs, they too will have to click the huge "I ACCEPT" button if they have been in the guild for less than 30 days.
yeah no....wotlk was trash enough with insane good badge gear,now you want the BEST gear?yeah no,listen...i get it if you dont have the skill or time to raid mythic,but guess what?if you dont raid mythic or do high end arenas....you wont need that ilvl,stick to lfr ilvl or go play minecraft
I don't even get why they removed it, just let groups choose their preferred loot system ffs
...that's just my opinion, anyway.
All of this cosmological stuff is too boring for me. I'd like to get Warcraft back, please. my thing is killing defias and orcs.
i do trust my current gm sadly i haven't been able to for them all, the less hassle they need to deal wiht the better, my guild dont generally see loot getting rolled out as it is so our rl has a addon that announces what's up for grabs, imagine adding ml on to that most gms don't want the hassle
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thats why legion had it perfect
require a guild group for master loot and everyone else gets PL
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i dont understand why they removed it entirely after Legion when the "Trials deserve loot too" thing doesnt hold up
no guild would rather DE loot than give it to a trial outside of the majorly crap ones that dont last long and end up on drama time to be mocked because of the retarded decision to do that
was it abused? yes just like literally every system in the game but at least in Legion the players had the choice to opt out of the risk. I liked killing the boss and seeing the loot that drop and being happy because i knew that tier token was the DKs 4 set. The system would require bonus rolls again but i think removing them was just their way of slowing players down more. Give me the moments of "oh a piece of mail dropped nobody can use it i guess DE" especially since you never see a raid without a hunter or shaman and with dracthyr you know they will exist.
Yep, imagine this shit actually happens with PL as well because at some point there will be a lot loot to trade, and people still ask why guy X got something and not me.
It was such a bliss not having to deal with drama anymore. And no, not going ML when its available is simply not an option.
Well I certainly won't sympathize with loot councils if they bring this shit again.
Fact (because I say so): TBC > Cata > Legion > ShaLa > MoP > DF > BfA > WoD = WotLK
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