Rogues, mages, and priests for all races!

[Lady Atia]

No. They do not make sense.
A Void being cannot wield the Holy Light at the same time. It will cause an explosion. Same thing with the opposite. A Holy being wielding the opposite force would cause a volatile reaction.
As for Mag'har, learn the lore. They are Shadowmoon Orcs who dabble in the Void. They have nothing to do with the Light. And no, they are not Lightbound.

You are aware that there is a discipline spec for priests right now in the game? Think they added it with classic.

Some priests pride themselves on pragmatism. They understand that light casts a shadow, that darkness is defined by light, and that true discipline stems from one's ability to balance these opposing powers in services of a greater cause.

They can easily expand the lore to say that both void elves and lightforged can use the same concept to be paladins/shadows.

For felinfused - we actually already have an example for that - that one boss from HFC is void+fel while the maiden in ToS is light+fel.

[Syegfryed]

No. They do not make sense.
A Void being cannot wield the Holy Light at the same time. It will cause an explosion. Same thing with the opposite. A Holy being wielding the opposite force would cause a volatile reaction.

Try to find the lore confirmation to proof that a void being cannot use the light as a tool.

There is none, in legion, we literally mix void and light energies to empower our weapons in the draenei spaceship. We already ahve confirmation that to sue the light you jsut need enough will power or faith.

What they can't do, is infuse thenselves, a void elf cannot be a paladin, because that require they filling themselves with light, but they can wield the light as a tool.

As for Mag'har, learn the lore. They are Shadowmoon Orcs who dabble in the Void. They have nothing to do with the Light. And no, they are not Lightbound.

Shadowmoon orcs can dabble with the light if they so want, there is nothing preventing then, if you are a priest that knows the shadow, you know the light as well.

Hell, shadowmoon orcs of outland use the light even by being corrupted by fel magic.

They all make completely sense if you actually use ingame lore and not headcanon

[username993720]

You are aware that there is a discipline spec for priests right now in the game? Think they added it with classic.

You are aware that Shadow Form used to be removed once you used a Holy spell, right?

They can easily expand the lore to say that both void elves and lightforged can use the same concept to be paladins/shadows.

Does it look like Void elves wield the Light or that Lightforged wield the Void?

Try to find the lore confirmation to proof that a void being cannot use the light as a tool.

There is none, in legion, we literally mix void and light energies to empower our weapons in the draenei spaceship. We already ahve confirmation that to sue the light you jsut need enough will power or faith.

What they can't do, is infuse thenselves, a void elf cannot be a paladin, because that require they filling themselves with light, but they can wield the light as a tool.

Well, you just said it.
Void elf Paladins do not make sense because they do not wield the Light whatsoever. I don't know if every Paladin fills themselves with the Light. Or that Holy Priests do not.

Shadowmoon orcs can dabble with the light if they so want, there is nothing preventing then, if you are a priest that knows the shadow, you know the light as well.

Hell, shadowmoon orcs of outland use the light even by being corrupted by fel magic.

They all make completely sense if you actually use ingame lore and not headcanon

Huh? What Shadowmoon Orc uses the Light?
You want in-game lore?

"While the orcs of the prime timeline have not been observed being priests, the Shadowmoon clan of the alternate Draenor have. Due to Grommash Hellscream forcing the Shadowmoon to either join the Iron Horde or die, Ner'zhul broke his people's ancient traditions and used the Dark Star to give his clan the power of the Void. Those who use the power of the Void in this way are called "Voidseers."
Meanwhile, the only orcs seen wielding the power of the Light have been under the thrall of the Lightbound."

[Syegfryed]

Well, you just said it
Void elf Paladins do not make sense because they do not wield the Light whatsoever. I don't know if every Paladin fills themselves with the Light. Or that Holy Priests do not.

PALADIN, thats right, that has nothing to do with priests, a paladin is different than a priest, the idea of the paladin is being the recipient of the light, something a Void elf would not be able to.

Realistic, this the only combination that is impossible lorewise, everything else is fair game

Huh? What Shadowmoon Orc uses the Light?
You want in-game lore?

Go to outland, find fel orcs using it.

There is also shaterred hand orcs priests, using holy light
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Shattered_Hand_Acolyte

"While the orcs of the prime timeline have not been observed being priests, the Shadowmoon clan of the alternate Draenor have. Due to Grommash Hellscream forcing the Shadowmoon to either join the Iron Horde or die, Ner'zhul broke his people's ancient traditions and used the Dark Star to give his clan the power of the Void. Those who use the power of the Void in this way are called "Voidseers."
Meanwhile, the only orcs seen wielding the power of the Light have been under the thrall of the Lightbound."

Anyone who knows how to use the void know how yo use the light as a priest, a priest for the orcs is spiritual guide, with the spirits and whata not, using their faith in their religion is enough to use it without being a lightbound.

[username993720]

PALADIN, thats right, that has nothing to do with priests, a paladin is different than a priest, the idea of the paladin is being the recipient of the light, something a Void elf would not be able to.

Realistic, this the only combination that is impossible lorewise, everything else is fair game

Apotheosis
Talent
Instant 2 min cooldown
Requires Priest (Holy)
Requires level 50
Reset the cooldowns of your Holy Words, and enter a pure Holy form for 20 sec, increasing the cooldown reductions to your Holy Words by 300% and reducing their cost by 100%.

"After spending much of their lives in temples studying ancient doctrine, preaching the tenets of their faith, and pledging their full devotion to the divine powers they follow, the most adept priests leave their houses of worship to serve on the battlefield, as shepherd to flock. There, they use their holy powers to bless allies and mend wounds. And while most stay behind the frontlines to aid their comrades, these holy champions are also capable of smiting foes and carrying out sacred justice. They’re also morally opposed to the use of Shadow and Void magic—rather, they are exemplars of the incredible grace and power of the divine and the Light, and even death cannot fully stop their healing capabilities."

You do realize this does not make sense with a Void elf. Do you?

Go to outland, find fel orcs using it.

There is also shaterred hand orcs priests, using holy light
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Shattered_Hand_Acolyte

What the...
You sure this isn't just a gameplay representation? Because it has no backup in lore. Especially not with Fel Orcs.

Anyone who knows how to use the void know how yo use the light as a priest, a priest for the orcs is spiritual guide, with the spirits and whata not, using their faith in their religion is enough to use it without being a lightbound.

No, they do not.
Orcs barely know what the Light is and are strictly opposed to it, as can be seen by the Mag'har recruitment scenario. Those that do wield it are the Lightbound converts.

This can also be seen by the Shadowmoon cutscene, when the Dark Star is shattered and a wave of light come out, blinding the Orcs who seem to fear it.


The spirits you are talking about are Ancestral Spirits, not anything divine, as Orcs are known to revere their ancestors:

Ancestral Call
Mag'har orc racial
2 min cooldown
Instant
Requires level 1
Invoke the spirits of your ancestors, granting you their power for 15 sec.

"Oshu'gun, true name the Genedar, is the crashed dimensional ship that brought the draenei to Draenor and is now the sacred mountain where the spirits of orc ancestors dwell."

[Syegfryed]

You do realize this does not make sense with a Void elf. Do you?

You are assuming a holy form, means you are infused with light? lmao

you also, don't need to take abilities words as verbatin trying to prove a point.

What the...
You sure this isn't just a gameplay representation? Because it has no backup in lore. Especially not with Fel Orcs.

Thats literally a fel orc using holy light

to show you, there is no lore restrictions of a race not being able to use another magic force

No, they do not.
Orcs barely know what the Light is and are strictly opposed to it, as can be seen by the Mag'har recruitment scenario. Those that do wield it are the Lightbound converts.

Thats not truth,a s you can see with a fel orc using, orcs alays had spiritual guides, but they always used the shamans to represent priests.

Yes lighbound are evil, but that doesn't mean the other maghar don't know what the light is and it doesn't mean they are unable to use it

How can they sell race changes... don't get me wrong... I agree with the spirit of the idea but it's unlikely to happen.

Yes, just like taurens, and they can use the light as well.

You are limiting yourself way to hard here buddy, just because one race does not have lore saying "hey there is a bunch of those guys using X magic and being Y class", doesn't eman theya r enot able to use it or be it.

Saying again, every race can be every class(witht he exception of void elf paladin/DH) lorewise, that is a fact, if they can be, there is no reason to an individual(the player) not be, even if the race "culture" or "customs" don't align with it.

[Starfals]

you guys rly are having some weird expectations on cow hooves, probably from movies, this is not a horse with a iron horseshoe galloping, cows walking can be very silently.

Besides, its canon that stealth in wow is MAGIC based, making you invisible and undetectable, meaning it erase your sound and your smell, otherwise forsakens/udneads would not be rogues, cause everyone would smell a rotting corpse walking

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What are you talking about, all of then make sense lorewise.

A priest can wield both powers as they wish, you do not become a holy saint or a old god worshiper just because you can dabble with other forces, or force then toy our will.

You bring some good (and interesting) points with the Forsaken lol. It would be funny if Worgen had a smell detection for Forsaken rogues ;p But yeah, perhaps you are right about the cows thing. On a first thought, that's how it seems, but perhaps not?

There is the other funny thing tho - them being so huge and trying to be stealthy. Yea, I get the whole point about spells and magic, etc. I guess it doesn't really matter, and Draenei are almost as big as Tauren (or tall?) Plus, the pirate spec would totally make it okay too. They already made Tauren paladins, which was probably the worst thing I can imagine (but really fun to play as) after Draenei warlocks.

Honestly, now the last things that will be hard to get my head around are: Draenei locks, Forsaken paladins (which I can imagine, cus of holy priests) and Blood elf shamans. Anything else seems fine to me. Also, didn't every race had a hunter already? Kind of silly if they didn't until now. I gotta double check that. That and warrior should really be the most basic classes available to everyone. Logically speaking.

[Chain Chungus]

No. They do not make sense.
A Void being cannot wield the Holy Light at the same time. It will cause an explosion. Same thing with the opposite. A Holy being wielding the opposite force would cause a volatile reaction.
As for Mag'har, learn the lore. They are Shadowmoon Orcs who dabble in the Void. They have nothing to do with the Light. And no, they are not Lightbound.

This is wrong. Void and light combined don't create an explosion, that is just a meme not some canon thing. They create twilight magic when combined, which is what most of Cataclysm was about.

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Twi...(spell_school)

[username993720]

You are assuming a holy form, means you are infused with light? lmao

you also, don't need to take abilities words as verbatin trying to prove a point.

A Holy form. Can it be infused with a Shadow form?

Thats literally a fel orc using holy light

to show you, there is no lore restrictions of a race not being able to use another magic force

You do realize a fel-corrupted race, on that magnitude, using Holy spells doesn't make sense, do you?
Heck, the Broken weren't even willingly devolved by fel and they lost touch with the Light. So, a Fel Orc who drank fel willingly?
Besides, how are they Priests? Green Orcs don't have that option yet and Mag'hars are uncorrupted who use Void magic.

Thats not truth,a s you can see with a fel orc using, orcs alays had spiritual guides, but they always used the shamans to represent priests.

Yes lighbound are evil, but that doesn't mean the other maghar don't know what the light is and it doesn't mean they are unable to use it

These Fel Orcs are a peculiarity. Someone needs to ask Blizzard.
I've already explained that these spirits are ancestral ones, not the divine.
They literally accuse the Lightbound of killing the land and want revenge on them. You think they'd be adopting their ways?

Yes, just like taurens, and they can use the light as well.

You are limiting yourself way to hard here buddy, just because one race does not have lore saying "hey there is a bunch of those guys using X magic and being Y class", doesn't eman theya r enot able to use it or be it.

Saying again, every race can be every class(witht he exception of void elf paladin/DH) lorewise, that is a fact, if they can be, there is no reason to an individual(the player) not be, even if the race "culture" or "customs" don't align with it.

Dark Iron Dwarves using Water as Shamans make sense when they're on fire?

This is wrong. Void and light combined don't create an explosion, that is just a meme not some canon thing. They create twilight magic when combined, which is what most of Cataclysm was about.

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Twi...(spell_school)

Again, i'm reminding you. You couldn't cast Holy spells while you were in Shadow Form.

"Before life began and before even the universe existed, there was only the Light. The Light existed as a boundless sea of living energy, swelling across all of existence, unfettered by time and space. Yet as the ever-shifting sea expanded, pockets of cold nothingness appeared, giving birth to a second, opposite force: the Void. The growing tension between the two opposing energies eventually ignited a series of cosmic explosions that gave birth to the physical universe, the Great Dark Beyond."

Light and Void together would most likely be Fel:
"The most unstable energies however coalesced into an astral dimension now known as the Twisting Nether. Light and Void collided and bled together at the edges of this realm, throwing it into turmoil. Their energies would give birth to the very first demons."

[chiddie]

Tauren rogues are a little lol, but I’ll just pretend they don’t exist.

[Syegfryed]

A Holy form. Can it be infused with a Shadow form?

yes.. it can, we literally infuse our weapons with light and shadow back in Legion, we have canon source of that.

People thinking it was not possible were going from a headcanon point of view, blizz neve state it was impossible.

You do realize a fel-corrupted race, on that magnitude, using Holy spells doesn't make sense, do you?

Why it would not? where is the lore bit saying it was not possible?

It was stated that to use the light you only need faith or strong will

Again, this is entirely headcanon POV.

Heck, the Broken weren't even willingly devolved by fel and they lost touch with the Light. So, a Fel Orc who drank fel willingly?

Clearly the broken losth their faith, just like arthas and other characters, their spirits and minds were broken, that made then unable to be priests, but they wer enot physically unable to.

Besides, what happened tot he broken was a combination of fel magic and red pox, a disease, that mutate then.

Besides, how are they Priests? Green Orcs don't have that option yet and Mag'hars are uncorrupted who use Void magic.

Again, you are limiting yourself way too hard, we don't have the options yet? make then, you don't need a shattering event from an unique expansion focusing on it.

Green orcs knew tauren, trolls and other races for years, its 100% possible that they start to learn from then, outland orcs of the shadowmoon clan were priests, they can come over, maghar orcs, who already are void priests, know about the light, can use the power in time of need.

you don't need much

These Fel Orcs are a peculiarity. Someone needs to ask Blizzard.

No, it don't, its something as old as the game itself.

I've already explained that these spirits are ancestral ones, not the divine.

ok? it doesn't matter, what matter is faith, if you have faith on then, it can be divine, just like trolls and taurens do

They literally accuse the Lightbound of killing the land and want revenge on them. You think they'd be adopting their ways?

yes?

Or are you for real ignoring how green orcs still have warlocks despite the burning legion corrupting their race and fel magic blowing up their planet? sometimes you need to use the enemy magic against then

Dark Iron Dwarves using Water as Shamans make sense when they're on fire?

yes? hot water exist

[username993720]

yes.. it can, we literally infuse our weapons with light and shadow back in Legion, we have canon source of that.

People thinking it was not possible were going from a headcanon point of view, blizz neve state it was impossible.

"Shadowform is automatically disabled when using [Smite] or [Flash Heal]."

Why it would not? where is the lore bit saying it was not possible?

It was stated that to use the light you only need faith or strong will

Again, this is entirely headcanon POV.

I just showed you why. Creatures of the fel are disassociated with the Light.

Clearly the broken losth their faith, just like arthas and other characters, their spirits and minds were broken, that made then unable to be priests, but they wer enot physically unable to.

Besides, what happened tot he broken was a combination of fel magic and red pox, a disease, that mutate then.

"Broken draenei are often rejected from draenei society due to their deformities, and inability to use the Light, leading them to eke out miserable existences in Outland's wastes."

Again, you are limiting yourself way too hard, we don't have the options yet? make then, you don't need a shattering event from an unique expansion focusing on it.

Green orcs knew tauren, trolls and other races for years, its 100% possible that they start to learn from then, outland orcs of the shadowmoon clan were priests, they can come over, maghar orcs, who already are void priests, know about the light, can use the power in time of need.

you don't need much

Shadowmoon Orcs wield the Void, exclusively.
Tauren Priests use the Light of the sun.
Trolls religion revolves around Voodoo.

No, it don't, its something as old as the game itself.

Got any lore associated with it to explain them?

ok? it doesn't matter, what matter is faith, if you have faith on then, it can be divine, just like trolls and taurens do

Ancestral spirits are not on the level of Loa or celestial beings. They are a Shaman aspect.

yes?

Or are you for real ignoring how green orcs still have warlocks despite the burning legion corrupting their race and fel magic blowing up their planet? sometimes you need to use the enemy magic against then

Gul'dan is literally one of the most important characters in Orc history. Warlocks come natural to them.

yes? hot water exist

Hot water does not extinguish fire? Water boiling does not become steam?

[Syegfryed]

"Shadowform is automatically disabled when using [Smite] or [Flash Heal]."

Ok, gladly you understand that some spells, work different.

Now, you headcanon that this makes impossible void/light beings use void/light

I just showed you why. Creatures of the fel are disassociated with the Light.

You didn't, its a headcanon, broken were mutated by the red mist.

Shadowmoon Orcs wield the Void, exclusively.

They clearly don't anymore

Got any lore associated with it to explain them?

He is a priest, he have enough willpower to do it, he can do it.

thats the lore about using light magic

Ancestral spirits are not on the level of Loa or celestial beings. They are a Shaman aspect.

IT doesn't matter, what it is, how strong it is, or even if exist at all.

What matter is someone faith on it.

Thats the lore

Gul'dan is literally one of the most important characters in Orc history. Warlocks come natural to them.

And?

so, you think for one race to be able to use a kind of magic, you need to ahve a important NPC who does it?

This is all it takes to you? cause they can literally do at any moment and blow away your headcanon about it.

Hot water does not extinguish fire? Water boiling does not become steam?

no? like, why do you think a dark iron evoking water will do something to then? this is rly childish way think, its magic

[username993720]

Ok, gladly you understand that some spells, work different.

Now, you headcanon that this makes impossible void/light beings use void/light

A strictly Void user like a Void elf shouldn't be using Light spells. Otherwise, what's the point in calling them Void elves?
Same goes for Lightforged Draenei. You literally infuse yourself with the Holy Light, like you claimed Paladins do, yet you use the Void? Makes no sense whatsoever.

You didn't, its a headcanon, broken were mutated by the red mist.

"After being exposed to the fel energies wielded by orc warlocks, many draenei were mutated into physically deteriorated forms known as the Krokul, or the 'Broken'."

"Having been corrupted by demonic influences, they lost some of their former draenei abilities, and their already Broken forms were further altered, causing them to become the sub-species known as the Broken draenei."

They clearly don't anymore

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Mag'har_Darkcaster

They clearly do.

He is a priest, he have enough willpower to do it, he can do it.

thats the lore about using light magic

*facepalm*

Of Fel Orc priests.
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Fel_orc
They don't even have Priests listed.

IT doesn't matter, what it is, how strong it is, or even if exist at all.

What matter is someone faith on it.

Thats the lore

Then, nothing differentiates a Shaman from a Priest.

And?

so, you think for one race to be able to use a kind of magic, you need to ahve a important NPC who does it?

Usually.

This is all it takes to you? cause they can literally do at any moment and blow away your headcanon about it.

They can also add flying pigs as a playable race, but we won't be discussing that, will we?

no? like, why do you think a dark iron evoking water will do something to then? this is rly childish way think, its magic

It's a mere gameplay representation.
You think a being native to Blackrock Mountain will use water?

[Syegfryed]

A strictly Void user like a Void elf shouldn't be using Light spells. Otherwise, what's the point in calling them Void elves?
Same goes for Lightforged Draenei. You literally infuse yourself with the Holy Light, like you claimed Paladins do, yet you use the Void? Makes no sense whatsoever.

Again, this is entirely your own headcanon, sadly, this isn't how things work in warcraft.

"After being exposed to the fel energies wielded by orc warlocks, many draenei were mutated into physically deteriorated forms known as the Krokul, or the 'Broken'."

ITs amazing how little youa re winlingly to read, if you go to the source that say "fel energies" you can see the thing is called red mist the red pox juiced up with fel energy.

They clearly do.

They don't, cause you can be a priest with light spells.

*facepalm*

Of Fel Orc priests.
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Fel_orc
They don't even have Priests listed.

oh my, they are not "listed" in the wowpedia

regardless of ahving a lot of npcs doing it

what a tragedy, they must not exist

what a weird hill to die on.

Then, nothing differentiates a Shaman from a Priest.

Waht differentiate then is how they use their shenanigans, and that shamans also, focus on using the elements

Usually.

yep, headcanon

They can also add flying pigs as a playable race, but we won't be discussing that, will we?

They jsut did that as a mount, so you get that.

Besides, this is absurdist fallacy, and does not counter my argument.

It's a mere gameplay representation.
You think a being native to Blackrock Mountain will use water?

Yes? they still need to drink to survive? lmao, or did yout hink they dirnk alva or something?

and if the situation need, they can use it, NOTHING prevents then

[Kharnath]

Tauren rogues are a little lol, but I’ll just pretend they don’t exist.

I'm with you partner, but the lore itself is dead IMO so chopped up so changed UTTERLY pointless in my opinion.

[chiddie]

I'm with you partner, but the lore itself is dead IMO so chopped up so changed UTTERLY pointless in my opinion.

It’s not about the lore for me, it’s just for the sake of “credibility”. I know it’s fantasy so “who cares, anything can happen!”, but size should indeed matter to an extent when applied to classes races can “impersonate”. The problem is not the concept of rogue by itself (there are a lot of Tauren “pirates” out there since Vanilla I think) but especially Stealth abilities for me make no sense applied to big races. Stealth is not magic and a big cow so skilled to act as an invisible ninja is not THAT believable to my eyes honestly, there’s a reason why Sumo fighters were not ninjas. A combat or assassination Tauren without stealth abilities? Hell yeah. A subtlety Tauren with stealth/vanish? Please just no.

Same applies to other silly combos like gnome or goblin warriors (come on please…).

[username993720]

Again, this is entirely your own headcanon, sadly, this isn't how things work in warcraft.

In the game, maybe. But, it is in lore.

ITs amazing how little youa re winlingly to read, if you go to the source that say "fel energies" you can see the thing is called red mist the red pox juiced up with fel energy.

"The red pox would later be modified by the Shadow Council and melded with their fel energies. They released the modified disease on Shattrath City to fight its draenei defenders. The fel plague was loaded into crude bombs and lobbed at Shattrath. After the explosions, the mixture turned into a red mist. When its vapors reached them, the draenei immediately began choking. The draenei that survived the exposure of the mist were cut off from the Light and later transformed into the Broken and eventually the Lost One draenei."

The fel is what cut them off the Light.
Red pox does not cause de-evolution, not does it has anything to do with the Light. It is a disease that either kills you or not (very itchy).

They don't, cause you can be a priest with light spells.

Gameplay-wise. Not in lore. Find me the lore piece that talks about Shadowmoon Orcs using the Light.

oh my, they are not "listed" in the wowpedia

regardless of ahving a lot of npcs doing it

what a tragedy, they must not exist

what a weird hill to die on.

If they're so obvious, explain them using established lore. And not something you conjure off your mind, but an exact quote.

Waht differentiate then is how they use their shenanigans, and that shamans also, focus on using the elements

While Priests follow the divine (angels, Naaru, gods, etc'), Shamans follow spirits such as ancestors, elementals or Loa. They only overlap with Loa in that regard.

yep, headcanon

Is there another word in your vocabulary?
Because it is pretty obvious. Most times, a class has a major character to be associated with.

They jsut did that as a mount, so you get that.

Besides, this is absurdist fallacy, and does not counter my argument.

I was trying to be absurd.
Using the "Blizzard can do everything" argument isn't much of an argument since it leads to nowhere. Please refrain from using that.

Yes? they still need to drink to survive? lmao, or did yout hink they dirnk alva or something?

and if the situation need, they can use it, NOTHING prevents then

Imbued with fire by the Firelord himself, Ragnaros, you think they'll delve into the magics of his archnemesis, Neptulon? The eyes and hair is on fire for christ sake. When they visit Fiery areas, they state how they feel at home and like the smell of burnt coals. At this point, you are grasping at straws.

[Syegfryed]

In the game, maybe. But, it is in lore.

It is not, the fact that you can't prove with lore facts show that.

And ou bringing up a spell description is not a lore fact to prove your point, we already ahve prove of mixing void and light magic just fine

The fel is what cut them off the Light.

Nope, it was the red mist, a combination fo fel and red porx

Literally the quote prove you wrong and you misunderstand it

Gameplay-wise. Not in lore. Find me the lore piece that talks about Shadowmoon Orcs using the Light.

If the gameplay this is possible so its in the lore, again, there is nothing saying you can't.

Try to find the lore piece that talks about shadowmoon orcs NOT being able to use the light.

If they're so obvious, explain them using established lore. And not something you conjure off your mind, but an exact quote.

They are already explained, they are acolytes that can use the light by their own force of will:

Summoned by willpower or faith in one's ability to do so

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Light

While Priests follow the divine (angels, Naaru, gods, etc'), Shamans follow spirits such as ancestors, elementals or Loa. They only overlap with Loa in that regard.

And the spirits, just liek taurens show, can overlap as well, its cute how you think something can't overlap when we already have proof that its possible.

Is there another word in your vocabulary?

For this situation? fallacy would suit better, but its pure headcanon

yous imple don't ahve proof of it, and just think how things are, despite reality of warcraft universe.

Because it is pretty obvious. Most times, a class has a major character to be associated with.

And, sometimes don't

I was trying to be absurd.
Using the "Blizzard can do everything" argument isn't much of an argument since it leads to nowhere. Please refrain from using that.

If you ahve to use a fallacy then your argument is not good.

IT IS an argument because its entirely possible with tthe already established ruleset of the warcraft universe, there is no need for retcons or lore changes

Imbued with fire by the Firelord himself, Ragnaros, you think they'll delve into the magics of his archnemesis, Neptulon?

Try to show me a lore piece sayign they would not

Rly, stop using your headcanon and how YOU imagine the races.

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It is not, the fact that you can't prove with lore facts show that.

And ou bringing up a spell description is not a lore fact to prove your point, we already ahve prove of mixing void and light magic just fine

Not when you delve into one completely. They're not Void\Light elves. They're Void elves. They're not Light\Voidforged. They're Lightforged.

Nope, it was the red mist, a combination fo fel and red porx

Literally the quote prove you wrong and you misunderstand it

What about red pox cut you off from the Light?

If the gameplay this is possible so its in the lore, again, there is nothing saying you can't.

Gameplay doesn't represent lore all the time. There must be compromises for the benefit of the game.

Try to find the lore piece that talks about shadowmoon orcs NOT being able to use the light.

That is erroneous. The burden of proof falls to you, as you claim that they can.

They are already explained, they are acolytes that can use the light by their own force of will:


https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Light

Fel Orc lore.
How did they come to wield the light and why. I'm waiting.

And the spirits, just liek taurens show, can overlap as well, its cute how you think something can't overlap when we already have proof that its possible.

Tauren show what? Their Shamans revere the ancestors making them Spiritwalkers, while their Priests revere the sun, making them Seers.

For this situation? fallacy would suit better, but its pure headcanon

yous imple don't ahve proof of it, and just think how things are, despite reality of warcraft universe.

I have all the proof because i rely on solid lore.
You, on the other hand, barely uses any lore sources and just writes whatever comes off your head.

And, sometimes don't

True. But, if Light worshipping was so prevalent in Orcish society, you'd see some proof of it. Mainly, a character associated with such act.

If you ahve to use a fallacy then your argument is not good.

IT IS an argument because its entirely possible with tthe already established ruleset of the warcraft universe, there is no need for retcons or lore changes

You just said they can do whatever they want. Doing whatever they want isn't retconning all of the sudden?

Try to show me a lore piece sayign they would not

Rly, stop using your headcanon and how YOU imagine the races.

Use you brain. It's common sense.
The guys literally ride a Magma mount.