Oh don't worry, mostly doing it to dispel the illusion of him being a serious person to engage with for any others reading this.
Just sitting in a recliner waiting patiently for my baby to fall asleep in her bed so I can sneak out anyway, might as well do my part of community service!
Except we're talking about how Dracthyr and the Evoker are one in the same. Thus someone liking a knockback effect is irrelevant, because if you like the Evoker's knockback, it is irrevocably tied to wings;
You don't have one without the other.
The aesthetics are irrevocably tied to the mechanics and vice versa. The class exists because of the race and vice versa. You literally can't have one without the other, and that is by design.You keep circling back to aesthetics when I'm using mechanics to demonstrate how you can like or dislike a class irrelevant of aesthetics.
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And there's literally zero basis for something like that in WoW. Further if we expand that to various races, it becomes ridiculous and silly. Imagine a Tauren sprouting spirit tails and wings, flying overhead and breathing fire Onyxia-style. It would be a rather terrible concept.
We are not at all talking about the Dracthyr and Evoker being one and the same, that's an argument you made as a rebuttal to me that I wholeheartedly disagree with.
Evoker is a class and has aspects to it that are definitely dependent on the Dracthyr for aesthetic aspects like tail swipe, wing buffet etc.
It also has mechanical and numbers-based aspect that have no dependency on its aesthetics. The animation of Wing Buffet requires wings to be flapped. The MECHANICS of it just makes enemies in a cone X meters in front of your character be knocked back. I can like or dislike that mechanic with the aesthetics of it being completely irrelevant to the discussion. I could love everything the Evoker brings to the table and how it feels to play with its talent tree, its tier set bonus, it's proc feeling absolutely amazing but think Dragons are the dumbest fantasy trope to ever have existed (I don't but bear with me) and boom, I LIKE the Evoker but DISLIKE the Dracthyr.
What, I cannot like how good it feels to have Lava Surge proc its instant cast as a Shaman unless I am REALLY into lava?
I cannot like how good it feels to land a trap on the enemy healer in Arenas as a Hunter unless I find bear traps to be the coolest shit in town?
Feel cool when you use Smoke Bomb to lock the enemy healer out so you can finish off your target as a rogue? Well you have to be a huge fan of ... smoke then!
I find it insanely funny how you insist on dying on this hill on a public forum.
Your original post;
My response;
Your response;
My response;
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At what point did we stop talking about the DE not being the same thing?
Yeah, and once again you're missing the point; That ability is justified in the Evoker class because the only race that can be the class has wings. So the knockback is completely dependent on the Dracthyr having wings. If the Dracthyr doesn't have wings, you're going to need another reason to justify the ability, and that justification has to match the thematic of the class.Evoker is a class and has aspects to it that are definitely dependent on the Dracthyr for aesthetic aspects like tail swipe, wing buffet etc.
It also has mechanical and numbers-based aspect that have no dependency on its aesthetics. The animation of Wing Buffet requires wings to be flapped. The MECHANICS of it just makes enemies in a cone X meters in front of your character be knocked back. I can like or dislike that mechanic with the aesthetics of it being completely irrelevant to the discussion. I could love everything the Evoker brings to the table and how it feels to play with its talent tree, its tier set bonus, it's proc feeling absolutely amazing but think Dragons are the dumbest fantasy trope to ever have existed (I don't but bear with me) and boom, I LIKE the Evoker but DISLIKE the Dracthyr.
And of course the thematic of the class is dragons, specifically WINGED dragons.
Lava surge and the Shaman's use of lava is not race-dependent. The Evoker breathing fire while flying through the air is COMPLETELY race dependent, and the only race capable of doing it are dracthyr.What, I cannot like how good it feels to have Lava Surge proc its instant cast as a Shaman unless I am REALLY into lava?
I do think your dragon forms is WAY WAY better. including the armor.
But your humaniod form still is bad. Its to, i stopped my cosplay halfway thruh kind of look.
They should look like yesra, alexstraza, wrathion etc.
Maybe force to have a type of horns, weird eye colors. Or maybe minute scales of the whole body.
Given the sheer amount of dragon-based abilities in the class, that would be senseless. You would be in a constant state of transformation, and be pretty much a dragon/partial dragon the entire time. Again, no basis in lore for such a class with those abilities.
It makes more sense to allow the player to racially be a dragon and have a class based on draconic attributes and on the aspects, which is what they did.
I don't like the suggestion of scrapping a dragon race and just playing as tauren and elves sprouting wings in the slightest, but lacking a lore foundation has pretty much never stopped Blizzard from adding anything. They add whatever they want to and justify it after the fact, it's just how they roll.
When I had an ongoing thread with him, we got to a point where I got an implicit admission that:
- Adding bulky options likely wouldn't affect the ability to do world content.
- Adding bulky options likely wouldn't affect raid boss encounters.
- Adding bulky options likely wouldn't affect dungeon boss encounters.
And we distilled the problem down to:
- Adding bulky options might affect visibility on trash when your camera distance is forcibly reduced, and multiple Dracthyr are using their "Soar" cooldown (think Cunning of Kil'jaeden). Which he then went on to defend that "people wipe on trash" and adding that the tails of the Dracthyr are also visual obstructions.
There's genuinely nothing to be gained from engaging at this point.
Sylvanas didn't even win the popular vote, she was elected by an indirect election of representatives. #NotMyWarchief
Yeah it was a fun exercise in cornering someone into going into repeat mode because they have no argument but it's clear that's as far as I'll get, moving on!
OT: Dracthyr are a key feature that for the first time gatekeeps an entire class and its gameplay, so Blizz should for sure go the extra mile to make their customisation options cover as wide a customerbase as possible. Considering the main negative feedback/wishlist has been to add bulk that's a nobrainer to me.
And no Draconid levels is too much imo because they clearly intend the Dracthyr to be a more sleek spellcaster type dragon so I personally think the Thunderbird edit should be the bulkiest they get, no more.