For the love of all that is holy no they can't because they much like me are playing the classes to do ranged dps in raids. The point is that if evoker was a viable ranged dps class I would switch to playing it instead of lock and then be able to tank for stuff outside of raid. I would still be playing ranged dps in raid. You really have no clue how hard it is to get a tanking spot in an actual good guild.
I seriously do not understand why you people are so against the third spec being a tanking spec if they are getting another spec. A melee dps spec would be a straight up waste since unless it was overtuned it be competing for maybe 1 to 2 spots since you need a monk dh warrior and usually an enhance shaman out of the 5 to 7 slots allowed to melee including tanks. Depending on your tanking comp and raid encounter you might have literally one spot that isn't one of those 4 to allocate.
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You very clearly don't pug M+ if you don't think there is a problem of tank population. 75% of the people who sign up to the keys I post can't do anything other than dps purely due to their class which makes sense given how prevalent those classes are in both M+ and raid due to tuning.
Last edited by Xath; 2022-05-15 at 05:08 AM.
I’ve heard an argument that two-spec classes is pretty much how Blizzard would be designing classes for foreseeable future. Due to sheer spec bloat, I can see this being a very real possibility. That would also mean that a 3rd spec in either DE or DH isn’t happening.
Heck, I’d be willing to bet that Blizzard would like to remove specs from some classes if they could.
What are you really trying to prove here? That tanking problems only exist because of pure DPS players?
I mean I can make up numbers too. 100% of the people who play Pure DPS are unable to tank because they're unwilling to play a tank class. It's not hard to twist the facts here, and it's not getting us any closer to actually talking about a solution to the problem.
Last edited by Triceron; 2022-05-15 at 05:16 AM.
Pure DPS classes are extremely wanted in raid and they can't heal or tank outside of raid. Of raiding players probably a good 40% or more of dps play a pure dps class. I'm not saying 100% would tank I'm saying that literally any % is better than 0%. If they are adding a third spec there is zero reason not to add a tanking one instead of yet another melee dps spec that won't see play unless it is massively overtuned or has overtuned unique utility.
I dont think adding tanks would change anything for queue times etc. ffxiv has it where anyone can be a tank or healer and queue times are just as bad if not worse.
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They never said they would add a melee spec either though.
If they added another spec, I would say it's most likely going to be another Ranged or Healing spec, because the Evoker is designed to be a spellcaster. Dracthyr have been designed to not even wield any weapons in combat, so I doubt they would suddenly add that just to fit in a melee DPS spec. I have my doubts they would add in any melee spec, even if they specifically only talked about not having Tanking.
If you have such a strong desire to play a class, regardless of how it looks, in order to be able to play ranged dps at a viable level while also being able to tank/heal then just play a Druid.
Balance Druid has been a viable, an arguably one of the strongest, ranged specs for a very long time now.
It is something to say that it would be nice to have more options than just the Druid when it comes to being able to rdps and tank in one given class, but that's beside the point you're making.
And the Evoker (or some new imagined class for the Dracthyr) would still not fill that role particularly well since you'd just be changing from an animal shapeshifter to a scaly-creature. which exhume the same feel, being anthropomorphic animals. So if it's strictly about having a viable rdps being able to tank then we already have the Druid.
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I don't think you're understanding the problem he's pointing out though.
The main issue is that the only people who are capable of tanking are those with melee DPS specs. There's only one class capable of being a ranged DPS and a tank, and the two specs have so little overlap in flavor that it's unlikely somebody who wants to play Boomkin will also be interested in playing a bear.
They should have introduced a tank spec with this class as it would be the second and only other ranged DPS/tank combination thereby giving people who enjoy playing ranged DPS an option to easily swap to a tanking spec.
Last edited by Triceron; 2022-05-15 at 06:27 PM.
Blizzard is being arrogant and illogical... If an druid can tank in a bearform why would't a Dracthyr Envoker not be able to do it?
+ They use a mixture of all the aspects powers, understandable the healer spec would be more focused on the green aspect.
What's stopping them to make a tank spec focused on the black dragonflight? Imagine being a Black Dracthyr flying towards a bunch of enemies landing with some sort of flame eruptions or something, causing area dmg, flame breaths, flame ground eruptions, they could even call the spec Destroyer, Cataclysm or hell even Earth warden... if they wanted to make it obvious this spec would be highly based on Deathwing himself which isn't necessary a bad thing since Death Knights and Demon Hunter are already based of The Lich King and Arthas..
Blizzard is showing their laziness once again
As for melee dps a mixture of Black and Bronze would fit quite nicely, Still have flame attacks while also having the ability to move quickly trough time or something, using bronze sand attacks for slows, a true haste based speed dragon fighter with a spear or dual wields idk even just having them attack with their claws as monks use their fists is good enough.
So much creativity for a class like this and they wasted it on just 2 silly range specs....
Because dragons can fly and breathe fire, whereas bears can just bite and swipe things with claws up close.
If I'm a dragon fighting an ogre, I'm flying 50 feet above its head and torching it from afar. If I'm a bear, I have to charge the ogre and fight it toe-to toe. That's the basis of this; Blizzard doesn't view dragons as close-range fighters. I tend to agree.
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Which is working as intended? I dunno what else to say here.
Pure DPS blames class design for long wait times in mid level PUGs. News at 11.
I mean there are plenty of solutions to your problem which don't involve you having to change your spec to tank. Run with a consistent group instead of pugging, for one. You even admit above that you know plenty of boomkins who will tank. Well, run with one consistently 8 times a week on your main, since you don't seem assed to roll a hybrid main yourself.
Expecting Blizzard to change the game to fix your specific problem, which has clear work arounds, is not a solution. I totally get your sentiment, but it's also incredibly myopic and unrealistic if you expect Blizzard to start adding tank specs to Pure DPS because your PUG wait time for mid level content takes too long.
You're operating on a solution for a problem that's purely based on confirmation bias. You're playing a Pure DPS class and waiting long PUG times, and you wouldn't mind tanking if you had the choice, therefore you conclude that the problem must be coming from your Class' lack of choice.
As the saying goes, If the only tool you have is a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail. Your Pure DPS main is your Hammer.
Last edited by Triceron; 2022-05-16 at 08:33 AM.