King's Diversity Space Tool: A Leap Forward for Inclusion in Gaming

[Aydinx2]

Impressive. Very nice.

Let's see Winston's diversity score.

That subtle off black fur. The tasteful thickness of it.

Oh my god, it even has a banana.

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this woke shit is going places i see.

what's next ?

i say, ban all white and straight characters from video games. /s

Stop pretending like you're a victim buddy. That's exactly the same crap that caused a shooting this week.

[Dr Assbandit]

Impressive. Very nice.

Let's see Winston's diversity score.

[ResentfulUK]

I honestly don't see the controversy or concern around this tool. If you throw your characters you're building for a game into this tool and realise because of it that actually the vast majority of your assets are broadly the same, where is the harm in recognising that and adding in more diverse characters?

I'm not suggesting games should be forced to include every race, creed, ethnicity, religion, sexuality and any other identifying characteristic, but is there truly any harm in recognising that maybe some of your biases have produced a game that maybe doesn't need or warrant that bias?

For some games, where historical accuracy is important, sure, there may be quite a substantial focus on one group, but for games like Overwatch or World of Warcraft is there really any harm in recognising that your characters may be are predominantly white and straight?

Representation in games I do believe is important. Should characters be so outwardly gay it's shoved down people's throat, no. Does it hurt to however adapt the story to include that maybe a character is gay? Also no.

I feel like much of the negative reaction is mostly based on those very biases these tool is designed to avoid. No-one is denying white, straight males should exist in games, but does it honestly ruin your game to at least design and build out a black gay character, or someone with a disability, or someone struggling with mental health?

[deenman]

Imagine taking a quote that is a reference to MLK Jr. and the civil rights movement and somehow attributing it to a defense of slavery.

what they are doing is just racist gaslighting,using quotes from the people they hate to spin it is pretty common

[Eapoe]

What the fuck? We seem to be saying the same thing you're just upset because I phrased it differently.

The two of you aren’t really saying the same thing
You’re saying it’s wrong from a moral standpoint because it’s racist and wrong to not hire people for diversity reasons when they meet the qualifications; but, it’s bad to hire them simply for the sake of diversity.
They’re saying it’s racist and wrong to hire people for diversity reasons even if they meet the qualifications because their skin tone or sex/gender played a part in it, and should only be looked at from a qualification stand point.
They’re almost similar topics.

[Ealyssa]

I'm actually all about having more diverse characters in games.

But how the fuck can you score cultures ? Why is Swedish culture deemed lower than Brazilian and Russian (which are equal to blizzard according to the chart) ?

[Firann]

I honestly don't see the controversy or concern around this tool. If you throw your characters you're building for a game into this tool and realise because of it that actually the vast majority of your assets are broadly the same, where is the harm in recognising that and adding in more diverse characters?

The harm is when it is forced and not natural.

Imagine Friends being recreated in this era. Its a group about 6 friends hanging out, and lets be honest most group of friends aren't a diverse mix of all ethnicities, color and sexual orientation. But if it was made today, what do you think would happen? Using this chart they would all score 0. A diverse cast should be included where appropriate and not in your face. It should be subtle not the main focus point of the character just part of the character's backstory, only being mentioned when the plot requires it.

There are many series that diversity for the sake of it would not work. Heck even Fresh Prince, Family Matters, etc etc would be given the boot as they aren't too diverse.

[vincink]

progressive culture invading corporate America, over 20 years of fratboy culture harassment and discrimination resulting in a multi million dollar lawsuit.

Pick one.

Premise: it can only be one or the other.
Hidden premise: it must be progressive culture and there can be no other solution.

Both premises are incorrect. Neither option is desirable.

[Zalraki]

So, no, you're not looking/aren't capable of a healthy discussion on such topics. Cool.

And there's the loop. Thanks for proving my point.

[Goat7]

lol.

diversity space method.

We are to a point where video games cannot just be video games. We gotta take into account everyones feelings, we gotta represent everything, cannot leave anything out. If we don't have a white dude with red hair, or a transgender female with She/They in there title, or a black gay male, someone is upset.

Thanos was right.

[Deadite]

I honestly don't see the controversy or concern around this tool. If you throw your characters you're building for a game into this tool and realise because of it that actually the vast majority of your assets are broadly the same, where is the harm in recognising that and adding in more diverse characters?

I guess some people think rating things like gender, sexuality ,culture and ethnicity numerically is kinda yikers. Liek in that video it would be funny to see the scale they use. What gets you a ten pointer in ethnicity or culture?

[Eggroll]

Ah yes, turning representation into a min-max spreadsheet, what could possibly go wrong?

This is the dumbest possible idea anyone could've come up with.
Good fucking lord.

I concur. They turn this thing into a caricature. I can't even.
Stoopid zoomers have no measure.
What the hell.

You can't remove stereotypes from the human mind. You can only learn and teach others to not take them too seriously.
Stereotypes can also be fun, but alas these youngsters no longer have a sense of humor.
Poor world.

[Relapses]

The two of you aren’t really saying the same thing
You’re saying it’s wrong from a moral standpoint because it’s racist and wrong to not hire people for diversity reasons when they meet the qualifications; but, it’s bad to hire them simply for the sake of diversity.
They’re saying it’s racist and wrong to hire people for diversity reasons even if they meet the qualifications because their skin tone or sex/gender played a part in it, and should only be looked at from a qualification stand point.
They’re almost similar topics.

Dude's issue is apparently with my claim of legality on the hiring of candidates based on quotas. There's a Supreme Court ruling on this very subject, though it has since been debated the full merit of the scope of this decision. (ie, is hiring a more diverse qualified candidate an indirect form of hiring quotas?) I imagine that guy just wants to take me to task for speaking passively about the ruling so he can have some kind of "well ackshually..." moment where he pretends my argument is wrong because I wasn't thorough enough the first time I presented it. It's pedantry which is why I don't really care engage with it.

[Chilela]

I'm actually all about having more diverse characters in games.

But how the fuck can you score cultures ? Why is Swedish culture deemed lower than Brazilian and Russian (which are equal to blizzard according to the chart) ?

I feel like they may be looking at the country the culture comes from, rather than how common the culture itself is in media.

[Huntermyth]

Stop pretending like you're a victim buddy. That's exactly the same crap that caused a shooting this week.

if you are dragging me to that buffalo shit, no, i am in no way encouraging or supporting sick bastards like him. but this doesn't mean that i support woke shit either. you don't have to be x if you do not support y. shocking right ?

[Daronokk]

This is Blizzard being openly racist, sexist, ageist, you name it. Just because they use it for a goal that is in their eyes a good cause, inclusiveness, doesn't make it any less wrong and unlawfull.

So now what? Being white gives you a 0/10 score and being black a 10/10 score? Meaning being black is superior and white inferior? One is prefered over the other. This is racism at work. People shouldn't be less because they're white. What the actual f*ck.

Remove this tool from hell and just judge people by their character over any stupid physical trait. It's actually quite scary that people would go this far.

Activision Blizzard should be taken to court for this shit. This is dangerous. These sort of things are like the stepping stones towards the holocaust. This should end now.

[PenguinChan]

This entire tool seems counter-productive and complete opposite to what would be considered diverse, inclusive, and non-judgmental.

if you are dragging me to that buffalo shit, no, i am in no way encouraging or supporting sick bastards like him. but this doesn't mean that i support woke shit either. you don't have to be x if you do not support y. shocking right ?

You were clearly making a joke as well. I don't understand that hostile response either.

[korijenkins]

The tool is missing a significant parameter - prevalence.

If 66 year old black, autistic, gay women represent 0.1% of the community as a whole - then the game should represent them similarly.

It becomes tokenism when you have 100% of the characters from 2% of the population.

This has always been the issue with the diversity pushes. They don't represent the demographics of the consumer base at all. If there were 100 characters and less than 1 percent of their base is represented like you said, why even make a character for that? You're actually in a way being discriminatory in the other direction by leaving out a more representative character to get brownie points by putting in something that's unique, though non-representative at those rates.

"The tool is not being used in active game development"

Bullshit, why make the article then?

[TheWorkingTitle]

This is absolutely disgusting. There's a reason why the greatest games of all time were made by homogeneous groups of all asians and homogeneous groups of all whites. You start diluting those and game quality plummets of the wokeness cliff.

[PenguinChan]

This has always been the issue with the diversity pushes. They don't represent the demographics of the consumer base at all. If there were 100 characters and less than 1 percent of their base is represented like you said, why even make a character for that? You're actually in a way being discriminatory in the other direction by leaving out a more representative character to get brownie points by putting in something that's unique, though non-representative at those rates.

"The tool is not being used in active game development"

Bullshit, why make the article then?

Brownies points, and read: ACTIVE game development. Doesn't deny being used for FUTURE game development. Which is sad if they do.

This is absolutely disgusting. There's a reason why the greatest games of all time were made by homogeneous groups of all asians and homogeneous groups of all whites. You start diluting those and game quality plummets of the wokeness cliff.

Please be /s, please be /s.