White Supremacist in Buffalo Murders 10 people.

[Edge-]

I thought 4chan was a honeytrap...Did the FBI let this happen?

You take 4chin way too seriously, my dude. I don't think the FBI have a team of interns lurking /pol/ at all hours of the day.

[GreenJesus]

Big yikes.

After the wars our government have started like Iraq, drugs imported by CIA to fund drug lords in South America, NSA secretly spying on Americans, etc you think it isn't a stretch that the FBI lets these criminals go and commit terrorism in order to influence politics and national discourse or even expand their reach and power?

In fact, the FBI has had an eye on him since last year and he was in a psych ward for a while for saying he was going to kill people. Its not like it was a surprise that this dude ended up killing people and the Fbi Never could have known.

[Kaleredar]

After the wars our government have started like Iraq, drugs imported by CIA to fund drug lords in South America, NSA secretly spying on Americans, etc you think it isn't a stretch that the FBI lets these criminals go and commit terrorism in order to influence politics and national discourse or even expand their reach and power?

Yes, I think that is "a stretch."


In fact, I think that's a dangerously insane worldview that willingly pushes the guilt of the real, present, and quantifiable right-wing violence prevalent in the United States off to avoid incurring any sort of introspection about the right wing as a political body, including its candidates, pundits, and electorate and how each of them engender and facilitate this violence in their own ways.


"Nobody stopped it, therefore someone big and powerful wanted it to happen and it's their fault" is dangerously stupid, and I really hope you don't believe such things to be true.

[Skulltaker]

After the wars our government have started like Iraq, drugs imported by CIA to fund drug lords in South America, NSA secretly spying on Americans, etc you think it isn't a stretch that the FBI lets these criminals go and commit terrorism in order to influence politics and national discourse or even expand their reach and power?

If they wanted to expand their reach and power they'd do anything to help the GOPs cause, not hinder it, because police organizations thrive under fascist governments.

[Draco-Onis]

After the wars our government have started like Iraq, drugs imported by CIA to fund drug lords in South America, NSA secretly spying on Americans, etc you think it isn't a stretch that the FBI lets these criminals go and commit terrorism in order to influence politics and national discourse or even expand their reach and power?

In fact, the FBI has had an eye on him since last year and he was in a psych ward for a while for saying he was going to kill people. Its not like it was a surprise that this dude ended up killing people and the Fbi Never could have known.

That makes no sense, the GOP are pushing authoritarianism they literally had CPAC in Hungary to praise a fascist leader so a false flag operation under GOP control would make a lot more sense than what you are talking about. The simplest explanation this country has 330 million people even if they wanted to the FBI and the CIA can't control everything. Your own examples show this our adventures in South America have been unmitigated disasters that haunt us to this day.

[jonnysensible]

4chan, you need to register personal information to be able to post there.

lol cmon man

just say its a false flag or something so we can start the dunking chain

[NED funded]

After the wars our government have started like Iraq, drugs imported by CIA to fund drug lords in South America, NSA secretly spying on Americans, etc you think it isn't a stretch that the FBI lets these criminals go and commit terrorism in order to influence politics and national discourse or even expand their reach and power?

In fact, the FBI has had an eye on him since last year and he was in a psych ward for a while for saying he was going to kill people. Its not like it was a surprise that this dude ended up killing people and the Fbi Never could have known.

Last year he was a 17 year old and he got into college plus he was participant in various science fairs. Dude lived a normal life until he visited 4chan and got radicalized into shooting people. Not sure why the FBI would have a check on him b4 this

[Edge-]

After the wars our government have started like Iraq, drugs imported by CIA to fund drug lords in South America, NSA secretly spying on Americans, etc you think it isn't a stretch that the FBI lets these criminals go and commit terrorism in order to influence politics and national discourse or even expand their reach and power?

Bigger yikes. This is connecting a bunch of unconnected dots to create the picture you want to exist, rather than the picture that actually exists.

In fact, the FBI has had an eye on him since last year and he was in a psych ward for a while for saying he was going to kill people. Its not like it was a surprise that this dude ended up killing people and the Fbi Never could have known.

The FBI has a lot of folks on their radar. That doesn't mean they're actively monitoring their every move and are just waiting for them to possibly break the law.

Jesus dude, turn off Tucker Carlson.

[Jastall]

After the wars our government have started like Iraq, drugs imported by CIA to fund drug lords in South America, NSA secretly spying on Americans, etc you think it isn't a stretch that the FBI lets these criminals go and commit terrorism in order to influence politics and national discourse or even expand their reach and power?

In fact, the FBI has had an eye on him since last year and he was in a psych ward for a while for saying he was going to kill people. Its not like it was a surprise that this dude ended up killing people and the Fbi Never could have known.

"An eye on him" doesn't mean they have a team of agents with a van parked outside where he lives at all times. Neither are they going to arrest every idiot who posts radical shit on 4chan of all places.

[Edge-]

https://thehill.com/news/state-watch...theory-survey/

The poll, published on Tuesday, found that 61 percent of Trump supporters agree with the statement that “a group of people in this country are trying to replace native-born Americans with immigrants and people of color who share their political views.” Twenty-two percent of Trump supporters surveyed said they disagreed with the conspiracy theory.

Meanwhile, 16 percent of respondents who voted for President Biden said they agree with the statement, while 71 percent said otherwise.

Now the 16% of Biden votes is a bit odd, but at least it's a low percentage even if it's still disturbingly high.

But uh...like...61% of Trump voters believe this Tucker Carlson platformed lie that originated on places like Stormfront? Yeah, that says a lot about how much closer the Republican base is to Stormfront than anything else. And it's kinda scary.

[Plutarch78]

What seems weird to me is that this guy had followers who he discussed his detailed plans with on 4chan and discord. Who are these people that knew about/helped form his plans? I thought 4chan was a honeytrap with FBI agents combing every message and you need to register personal information to be able to post there. There should have been easily enough evidence for the FBI to apprehend and stop him. Did the FBI let this happen?

Of course they let this happen. Just like 9/11, Sandy Hook and all the other mass shooting incidents. To them and the rest of the DC swamp its another golden opportunity to shred the Constitution in the same of public safety.

Look, I'm all for upping the age to 21 to buy a weapon (though Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris got their guns from older adults) and mandatory gun safety courses, but I don't believe in punishing millions of gun owners for the faults of criminals and the mentally insane.

[Draco-Onis]

Look, I'm all for upping the age to 21 to buy a weapon (though Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris got their guns from older adults) and mandatory gun safety courses, but I don't believe in punishing millions of gun owners for the faults of criminals and the mentally insane.

By punishing you mean inconvenience right? because that same logic we shouldn't pass anti-terrorist laws because it would "punish" the general public. We removed barriers that stop the mentally insane, criminals heck even terrorists from getting guns. I doubt anything will change but that line of "punishment" just bugs me because it's what we do as a society we pass laws that "punish" or inconvenience innocent people for the greater good.

[postman1782]

Of course they let this happen. Just like 9/11, Sandy Hook and all the other mass shooting incidents. To them and the rest of the DC swamp its another golden opportunity to shred the Constitution in the same of public safety.

Look, I'm all for upping the age to 21 to buy a weapon (though Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris got their guns from older adults) and mandatory gun safety courses, but I don't believe in punishing millions of gun owners for the faults of criminals and the mentally insane.

If you can't pass a mental health screening, then you shouldn't be able to own a single gun, round of ammunition, and should be monitored.

[Katie N]

If you can't pass a mental health screening, then you shouldn't be able to own a single gun, round of ammunition, and should be monitored.

Ordinary citizens should never be allowed to own a gun to keep in their home. It should be exceptional circumstances to be allowed to own a gun to keep at home.

[NineSpine]

After the wars our government have started like Iraq, drugs imported by CIA to fund drug lords in South America, NSA secretly spying on Americans, etc you think it isn't a stretch that the FBI lets these criminals go and commit terrorism in order to influence politics and national discourse or even expand their reach and power?

In fact, the FBI has had an eye on him since last year and he was in a psych ward for a while for saying he was going to kill people. Its not like it was a surprise that this dude ended up killing people and the Fbi Never could have known.

Federal law enforcement has shown a dramatic and profound unwillingness to keep an eye on sources of white supremacist terrorism, because it hurts Republican feelings to consider it anything other than unpredictable lone wolves.

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Ordinary citizens should never be allowed to own a gun to keep in their home. It should be exceptional circumstances to be allowed to own a gun to keep at home.

It's not that exceptional to need a gun for wildlife in much of the US. You can't be too broad with this.

[Edge-]

It's not that exceptional to need a gun for wildlife in much of the US. You can't be too broad with this.

Always gotta worry about those pack of 30-50 wild hogs that can rampage through your front yard while the children play. They're well known for the ninja-like silence.

[NineSpine]

Always gotta worry about those pack of 30-50 wild hogs that can rampage through your front yard while the children play. They're well known for the ninja-like silence.

I know the wild hog joke is funny, but its only funny because of the numbers idiots threw out there. Needing a rifle for wild hog packs is not ridiculous. Wild hogs are dangerous and destructive. We do have wolves in parts of the country. I grew up in downstate New York, not exactly the middle of nowhere, and black bears were extremely common.

Do any of these things require 9mm handguns or semi-automatic rifles? No, that's fucking insane. But wanting a shotgun or a simple rifle for that kind of situation is not crazy.

[Deus Mortis]

Always gotta worry about those pack of 30-50 wild hogs that can rampage through your front yard while the children play. They're well known for the ninja-like silence.

You jest but hogs are a serious problem. Archived link below is from NYT, apparently 12ft ladder no longer works for them.
https://archive.ph/UEUnf
The Rampaging Pigs of the San Francisco Bay Area

Not so for the rampaging feral pigs. They are tearing up lawns, ripping through golf course fairways, threatening the drinking water and disturbing the harvests at Napa vineyards. Many Californians want them dead.
“They are a pest to just about everybody and everything,” said Eric Sklar, a member of the California Fish and Game Commission who strongly supported a bill introduced last month in the State Legislature that would make it easier for hunters to kill feral pigs. “They’re very, very destructive.”

For decades, feral swine, armed with their knife-sharp tusks that protrude from snouty mouths, have torn up fields of corn, peanut and cotton in wide swaths of Texas and the South, causing what the U.S. Department of Agriculture estimates is $2.5 billion in damage every year.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/03/hogs...-problem.html3


On topic:
https://buffalonews.com/news/local/c...fdd095d6f.html
Authorities investigating if retired federal agent knew of Buffalo mass shooting plans in advance

Law enforcement officers are investigating whether a retired federal agent had about 30 minutes advance notice of a white supremacist's plans to murder Black people at a Buffalo supermarket, two law enforcement officials told The Buffalo News.

Authorities believe the former agent – believed to be from Texas – was one of at least six individuals who regularly communicated with accused gunman Payton Gendron in an online chat room where racist hatred was discussed, the two officials said.

The two law enforcement sources with direct knowledge of the investigation stated these individuals were invited by Gendron to read about his mass shooting plans and the target location about 30 minutes before Gendron killed 10 people at Tops Markets on Jefferson Avenue on May 14.

The News could not determine if the retired agent accepted the invitation.

“These were like-minded people who used this chat group to talk about their shared interests in racial hatred, replacement theory and hatred of anyone who is Jewish, a person of color or not of European ancestry,” said one of the two law enforcement officials with close knowledge of the investigation. “What is especially upsetting is that these six people received advanced notice of the Buffalo shooting, about 30 minutes before it happened.

“The FBI has verified that none of these people called law enforcement to warn them about the shooting. The FBI database shows no advance tips from anyone that this shooting was about to happen.”

Agents from the FBI are in the process of tracking down and interviewing the six people, including the retired agent, and attempting to determine if any of them should be charged as accomplices, the two sources with close knowledge of the probe told The Buffalo News.

The two sources did not identify the agent by name and could not confirm what federal agency he worked for.

The Buffalo FBI Office declined to comment on the investigation. The U.S. Attorney's Office in Buffalo declined through a spokeswoman to comment.

Buffalo civil rights attorney John V. Elmore said it will be outrageous if it turns out that a former law enforcement officer had advance notice of the shooting and did nothing to prevent it.

“If he had advance notice, he had a moral obligation to get on the phone and try to notify someone about it,” said Elmore, who represents the family of Andre Mackniel, who was shot dead when he went to Tops to buy a birthday cake for his 3-year-old son.

Federal authorities are investigating if the retired agent provided information to Gendron before he went on his shooting spree, the two law enforcement officials told The News.

In addition to law enforcement sources, two other individuals with knowledge of the mass shooting investigation have also confirmed that federal authorities are looking into the former agent’s relationship to the shooter.

The Sandman

FBI agents are also trying to determine the identity of an individual Gendron calls “Sandman,” and “Saint Sandman” in his lengthy social media diary that appeared on Discord 30 minutes before the attack, the sources said.

In the diary, Gendron indicates Sandman counseled him on manufacturers of AR-15 semi-automatic rifles and their quality. The shooter purchased and allegedly used that type of assault rifle in the rampage, which local authorities have said was fueled by his racial hatred.

In the document Gendron posted on Discord just prior to the shooting, he references Sandman three times.

In a passage dated May 2, he quoted Saint Sandman as saying: "When the time finally comes to deal decisively with a whole host of society's problems, and not go to prison for it, you'll know. Just be ready. You have spent your entire life, from the day you were born, right up to this very moment, reading this sentence, coming to where you are right now. Look around you. Are you content with where you are right now? Are you where you want to be? If so, continue to march. If not, what are you going to do? What's your plan? Get and keep your mind, body, and spirit right. Pray. Lift. Run. Read. Shoot. And teach your kids to do those things.”

A third law enforcement source told The News they are aware of Gendron’s writings involving the quality of different rifles. The shooter ended up using a Bushmaster X-15, a version of the AR-15 rifle, police have reported.

[Edge-]

You jest but hogs are a serious problem. Archived link below is from NYT, apparently 12ft ladder no longer works for them.
https://archive.ph/UEUnf
The Rampaging Pigs of the San Francisco Bay Area

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/03/hogs...-problem.html3

Notably, not a threat to people. Just their lawns. An invasive species that the state should take care of? Absolutely. But somehow I don't think that vineyard owners have much of an actual need for an AR-15 or AR-15-style weapon.

I just because it's a hilarious joke unironically given by a gun advocate who didn't seem to realize how preposterous and rare such an event is, nor that there are other options beyond going John Rambo on them.

[Katie N]

It's not that exceptional to need a gun for wildlife in much of the US. You can't be too broad with this.

Wtf? xD Why would you need a gun for wildlife?